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1.  Nic is trying to get something to regain the loyalty of the Denarians.  Most of those that were loyal to him have died in recent conflicts and their coins possibly held by Tessa.
2. I am betting there is a specific trap to Hades vault that requires a mortal (churchmouse), and another that requires a mortal+ (harry).
3.  Nicodemus will almost definitely recruit Rosanna, I too believe that she will make a choice.  I am torn as to whether that choice will be killing Sanya or dying in his place at some point in this novel. 
4. It would be great if Harry were forced to choose Fix.  He could learn more about the mantles and Fix could go off on his own attempting to resurrect Lily.
5. Sanya will be present.  Michael will help Harry pick a replacement for one of the swords.  Probably Fidelachus.
6. Mab hates repaying favors in ways that she doesn't wish too.  Nic delights in calling in favors that pain the giver.
7. Lash, This whole book is greek mythos.  I wouldn't be surprised if Skin Game is partially a play on getting skin for Lash.
8. Odin is trying to get the greek pantheon to be more active.  Poseidon could do a number on the fomors if he chose to. (edit) I think the twist might be that Nic is trying to put Denarians he can't trust into the vault.
10. Harry will specifically refer to one of the denarians we have not seen before with abilities involving a swarm of rats, The Rat Pack.
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

What to be filled in later.  Why?  Nic believes the Outer Gates will fall and "the end" will come.  He thinks the object will be a useful bargaining chip that will let him survive "the end".

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Specific plan for Harry
He will admit to needing access to Demon Reach for it's Nevernever connection.
He will admit that he needs Harry to do something that only a mortal who has crossed the bounds of death and returned can do... only when they get to the situation requiring it.
He is scheming to have Harry use Soul Fire and for it to have disastrous consequences for Harry but beneficial consequences for Nic.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Shagnasty - Antagonism as Shaggy gloats over what he did to Harry last time and that Warden or not now, he still has plans for Harry
Anna Valmont - Playing damsel in distress who got roped into this again until the reveal that she is Lasciel's new host
Binder - Gruding play nice attitude with Harry.  Dribbles hints about what else was going on during Turn Coat.
A High level Fomor Operative - Harry's introduction to the Fomor and the main series gateway peek into what the Fomor are doing with the people it is abducting
Marva - Plays her cards close to her chest and doesn't do much more than unnerve Harry.  Her presence however tugs at the strings at the back of Harry's mind that put together Black Court and Outsiders.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Mouse as the initial backup (see tie in to 4)
We will see Sanya, Michael, Murphy, Daniel, Kincaid, The Archive, and Molly in direct ways.  Marcone indirectly

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Harry grabs Mouse and warns Michael both about what Denarians are up to an possible threat of parasite in Harry's head.  Michael spreads the word to get the swords on the job.

Sanya and Murphy wield the swords faithfully.  Daniel gets involved wielding one but is not ready and screws up.  At the end of the book Michael is off the bench getting Daniel ready to perhaps try again.

Although Dresden means to get them involved to help him get out of the mess he is in, they get involved too early and Dresden is going to have to face off against them until he is done with the job and can turn on Nic.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

See 1.  The Macguffin is going to be outsider related and Mab wants it too in her own way.  So she is going to show Hades her competent Starborn Winter Knight who probably is going to need to borrow it someday...

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash is causing the headaches.  Molly is going to transfer Lash out of Harry and into - To Be filled in.  Anna/Lasciel?  Persephone?  The Macguffin?

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Twists in order

Anna revealed to host Lasciel at a very bad time for Harry.
Harry revealed to be jotting things down keeping the Archive in the loop.  An angry Archive and Kincaid being Harry's final ace in the hole.
Hades revealed to know the entire thing was happening and letting it play out to test vault security and see it's weaknesses.  Final result of that being a thanks to Harry and a mention that he might need the Macguffin later.  Secondary reveal that Marcone consulted in the matter and Hades owes him a little something...

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Anna Valmont as Lasciel's host.
Black court on the side of Nemesis
Fomor on the side of Nemesis

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

To be filled in.
Something something Odin psychopomp something something having Thorned Namshiel's coin.
Something something Persephone something something.
Something something Uriel something something.
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Good fun - thanks Knnn

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why? The item will be something out of mythology, but it will have a heavy JB spin on it – kind of like how JB made Excalibur one of the Swords of the Cross.


2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use? – Soul fire and/or Winter Power


3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry? – Other nickelheads. A Skinwalker, Lashiel with a new host. The Church Mouse. Also an insider; someone from the mythos who lives in or works with Hades. Charon or Thanatos perhaps have become disgruntled with their boss. Also Rakshasas have been mentioned in other books, so I'll go with one on Nic's crew.


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? - Karrin will be Harry’s first choice as #1. If she can’t, I see him asking for Thomas or maybe Mouse because Mouse spooked Nic a little in SF.


5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot? – We will see Sanya, and Karrin will show up using the sword of faith.


6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper? 

Well it is Mab, so she has to have at least three reasons or goals.

*The first is clear and on the surface; it is to keep things stable in the supernatural community.

* Mab wants information about, and revenge on those nickelheads involved in PG and of course any nickelheads who might be involved with outsiders.

* As you will read below, I am putting a lot of my chips on there being a background scheme between Mab and Anduriel. It could be almost anything, so I can’t really say, but I do have a favorite, although unlikely idea I have listed below.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book? – The Parasite is the source of the headaches and Molly is at least indirectly involved with the parasite’s growth resulting in its need to get out of Harry’s head. Also the parasite is a damaged/modified Lash (yes WK Lash did become independent form Lashiel). Molly will have to be involved with the removal of the parasite to help insure Harry’s safety.


8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

*There are likely to be more than one. For starters one or more of Nic’s crew will try something on their own – in essence backstabbing Nic.

*Nic will try one last recruiting or team up effort on Harry. When Harry turns him down Nic will try and get Harry in trouble with, or to strand Harry in Hades.

*Harry will first and foremost try and keep the heist item away from Nic or any of Nic’s team members. Harry, who in recent books has demonstrated he is not afraid to call archangels, or visit the Mothers, or have a beer with Odin will go to Hades himself and work out a way to back stab Nic with Hades help.

* Look for Anduriel to do or say something unexpected.

*Lashiel and her host will of course try to kill or at least screw over Harry.

9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

*Mab and Anduriel have something cooking on the side that Nic is completely unaware of, or Nic has been misinformed about (it might be that Anduriel wants to dump Nic, and wants Harry to be his new coin bearer... but it could be something else).

*Nic will realize or be reminded by the end of the book Anduriel doesn’t give a rat’s bottom about Nic, and that he has been a tool of Anduriel’s. A special tool perhaps, but just a tool all the same.

*We will learn that at least one fallen is working hard on getting freed from their coin.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

*Harry will get to exchange words directly with Anduriel… Nic won't be happy.

*Michael will be tested in an epic Old Testament sort of way… however we may not official know that what happens to Michael in SG is a test until a book or two later.

*Considering how smart Mab is, and how smart Nic/Anduriel are, and presumably how smart Hades should be… all that forethought and foresight and intellect working against each other might just get all tangled up into a great big mess. This might be the first book that ends in a way that will surprise the crap out of everyone and makes them all say “What the f*@K” in surprise or puzzlement… or invoke a collective “Oh shit”.

*One of the regular team Harry members will end up with a coin, or at least touch a coin and end up with a shadow of a fallen.

*JB hasn’t made Harry suffer enough. So I think it is time for a love triangle! I mean Harry has problems with relationships or would be relationships involving just one women. Make it two, and well, Harry will wish he were dead again. It will likely involve Karrin and Molly, but I could also see it being Karrin and someone else.
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
 Part of me is thinking that nic is after teh 11 coins taken from demonreach, lost in the escape. Also, i am wondering if the church has happened to lost their coin collection, and it is now in hades vault. everyone is talking about the spear of destiny, but  what about the seal of solomon? there are plenty of god artifacts to get the apocalypse started.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
 SOul fire, winter mantle, map of the ways from mommy, necromancy knowledge. EAch would be useful. Harry was born to be starborn, on the day that immortals are vulnerable, that may give him some help.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
 More than likely most villains harry fought against that still live, so to ensure that while harry may attempt to screw him over, most of the team just wants him dead. SO binder, kumori(I think like mab, cowl would send his help in the form of a representative), ghoul assins, BCV, formor, rakshasa, fomor, grendelkin a whole host of bad guys. eleven coins was in the bag tessa took, so it would pay for eleven to cross the river.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
My bet is kincaid or thomas, thomas as he trusts him, and kincaid as he would be eager to mess with the nickel heads. THey are experienced in dealing with monsters, and are unlikely to become denarian knights themselves.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
 THe sword can only defend the innocent, I really dont think the archangels would approve of a vault heist, so any sword power will be limited. I do see them being part of Harry's plan, send a message to get them to meet him, so just as the bad guys go for the kill, the swords turn up, and take a litle of the top.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
 Denarians aided in the strike against her, and the black circle is responsible for so much, she is looking of ways to cause them pain.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
 SAy at some point harry goes temporarily ghost, the the spirit could slip out.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
 Remember in turn coat, how harry had this whole trap set up on the island, but as a back up plan he had a kid with a camera waiting in just the right place. I think dresden may have a whole complicated plan, where all the bad guys are going to attack each other, but as back up, he is going to plan for either him or the bad guys to be where they have to be at a certain time and take advantage of it. Most likely, using the island/ or mabs gift to best he can.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
 I am hoping for treasure for all, Harry is in need of some funds, so could be very useful.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
 I am really hoping some of the coins get locked in the well, the same for the skin walker. While it is possible nic may know that dresden is the warden, the other bad guys might not, and it is the perfect place for a trap. THe parasite will be reveled and dealt with, possibly imprisoned or used as a weapon.
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?


Umm not sure, I was thinking a client of Hades will be the target then I thought, hey lets see what google has to say about Hades and something involved with skin and it came up with the Cap of Invisisbility which makes the wearer invisible to other supernatural entities apparently, but that's a pretty nifty item maybe Harry needs to get that before he actually robs the real vault.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


Well we know that Nic knows of Harry's potential outsider baneness and wants him on his team for that so I'm guessing his main goal of working with Harry is that. I'm also thinking perhaps Nic knows Harry did return from being dead and this has attracted the attention of Hades (Vaderung said he had done so with certain powerful entities) and wants to use him as a distraction or trade to get want he wants. Hades has to be pissed off about Harry cheating death.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?


Ummmm.... Mostly things that hate Harry and one surprise who doesn't.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?


Kincaid. Harry calls him up pointing out that he did not in fact fulfill his promise so he still owes him one.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Murphy with Fiddelacchius (sp?). But in doing so she dies then gets a job offer from Monoc.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
 Like I said, if he's getting the cap then he will be able to sneek past her defenses, which she probably doesn't like the idea of.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Honestly, have no idea, going to take a guess that it's something on the island trying to escape introduced to Harry's head in SmF.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Oh golly gosh. I have no idea I'll just take a random guess. Ebeneezar will be on the team, we will have a fomor on there, because Nic's been shown to work with them in the past (those cat things) and they'll bring on some creatures made to work for Nic but really only obey them. Helen Beckitt  will be shown to be aiding Nic and co to somehow screw over Marcone and the whole Demeter thing has to tie in there somewhere.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.


It's a WAG for a reason. Anduriel is Kincaid's father, don't ask me how that's possible. Might explain some of that Animosity we saw between him and Nic at the aquarium. And then at the beginning of SG Mab points out that Nic/Andy brought their "spawn" along with them last time and requested symmetry, so what if it was Kincaid that he took and then Kincaid can come along this time and he has a good reason to screw over Nic and work with Harry to get back at abducting the archive.
Oh and of course we also know Kincaid is not completely human.

Um Karrin will take up the sword of the cross against Harry and company, die then be offered a job at Monoc .


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.


Umm don't know I feel like some SC members will make an appearance, merely because we haven't seen much of the council in the last few books.
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something that would be severely twisty

What if JUSTINE somehow gets the Lash Nickle??

this would be possibly the Best/Worst of both worlds for everybody

1 Thomas's Hunger Demon now has a "friend"
2 Justine may or may not become effectively Immortal
3 The Temptress just got a MeatSuit (and she has the WCV seal of approval!)
Jim/Bast could we have more Cat Sith???

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 What if the heist is not simply just against hades, but possibly nic enemies in the fallen and their allies the black circle? having a starborn on the job makes sense,  he can stand against their power when needed.
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Not sure, will come back to this...

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
This is Nicodemus, he's got a plan alright, to manipulate Harry into doing something that will benefit him in the long run. Something involving the use of soulfire...

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Not sure, will come back to this...

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Thomas is the logical choice, but I'm going to say Lea is getting back into the picture here. Thomas/Molly/Ivy

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will be there to argue against Harry working with Nic, Michael will come off the bench and something terrible will happen to him for his trouble, and seeing as we're going to the underworld I wouldn't be surprised if we somehow saw Shiro at some point. (even if only as a flashback)

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Not sure, will come back to this...

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
It's the growing presence of Lash, who has been mostly dormant while recovering from the Psychic Bullet she took for Harry back in WN, her emergence is actually spawning a new soul inside Harry's body and is the reason for the headaches, Molly will act as a psychic conduit for Lash and transfer her into the body of Helen Beckett's daughter,

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Not sure, will come back to this...

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
WAG#1: I mentioned before that Lash is going to wind up in body of Helen's daughter, this is why...she's going to take up Fidelacchius, the sword of faith
WAG#2: Harry will admit to himself that he has feelings for Molly beyond that of a Master/Apprentice and give in to her desire to be with him, only to be caught in the act by Murphy who will be crushed even though she knew it was a possibility (dare I say, even an inevitability!)
WAG#3: Nicodemus will die by the conclusion of events in this book...Dead...D-E-D...and Anduriel will wind up in the hands of the last person Harry would ever suspect/expect....
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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Not sure, will come back to this...

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 I believe that one day the daughter of helen, code named demeter will rise again. since in every denarian book she is mentioned, good chance she will show again. Since she is seeming an empty shell, I guess she could host Lash. That fact makes her great for a sword of the cross.
 in every denarian book, the nickleheads loose members or their coins are taken by the church. There are only 4 knights who have retained their hosts  through the series, so either they die or the rehoused ones. If any of the old time knights die, that would remove capable hosts from the order. Some of which might have been comprimised by the nemesis. So the church will add to their stash of 14 coins, or harry will start a collection in the well.
 Something will happen to deidre,  as daughters always get messed with, if your parent if big in the supernatural world.
 In every denarian book, a knight puts down the sword, the first died, and michael had to retire.
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Jumping off of what a few other people have discussed, I believe they're after Thorned Namshiel's infected coin.  I also think Mab traded the coin to Hades in return for Hades not casting a claim on Harry for "dying".  I know we've debated whether or not Harry actually did die, but I believe whatever actually happened to him would have allowed Hades to also claim Harry's soul.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Nic needs Harry's protection or strength against Outsider mind-whammies so that once freed, the coin doesn't destroy them.  Have we seen the Fallen operate in the NeverNever?  I think perhaps the coins might find outside intervention easier there.  Or perhaps whatever is guarding the coin has been infected as well, hence the need for Harry.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

ChurchMouse
Shagnasty
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Binder
 
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Thomas will be recruited by Harry.  Sanya, Fix, Molly, Murphy, Sarissa, and the Alphas will be involved in some way, shape, or form.   

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya and Harry are going to duke it out.  Sanya is going to be killed, but not by Harry and not during their fight.  Sanya will die protecting Harry or another innocent from Nic.  Harry goes 'you-just-stole-my-daughter' level crazy and destroys the Labyrinth in the process of attempting to destroy and/or trap Nic n Company.
   
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

She wants the coin back from Hades, but she also wants Harry to find something else of great importance in the Lab that we won't know is important until another book or 2. 

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It's Lash and Mab is playing word games with what it will do to his family/friends.  Having Harry die AGAIN would destroy them, especially after he is just back being alive (in their mind).

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Nic has a deal with Hades that if he can deliver Harry Dresden to him, he will give him the coin.  Nic will try to steal the coin first, with his deal with Hades serving as his backup plan.  Harry in turn makes a wager with Hades of some kind and is able to win, granting his freedom.  Harry will straight up kill one of the Fallen and destroy a coin in some way. 

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. Harry will fight the Minotaur, who will be nearly immune to magic.  He will end up having to run away, but will use the Minotaur to destroy another enemy later on, then destroying the minotaur after it's served his purpose. 

2. Michael WILL NOT take the news of Molly well, will punch Harry (Harry will pull a Spiderman and mention he could have avoided the punch, but takes it anyway).  Charity will be the voice of reason and forgive Harry.

3. Harry will still not meet Maggie yet.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

1. Someone in the book will be eating in every scene they are in, much like Brad Pitt's character.

2. Molly will have already changed beyond all recognition physically, mentally, and magically.

3. Ramirez is angry with Harry for not keeping him in the loop.

4. The White Council will finally believe Harry has gone warlock and will attempt to kick him off the council.  Eb, the Gatekeeper, and others will push it to a full vote of the council.  The merlin will list everything Harry has done that is terrible.  Someone will stand for Harry and defend him, listing all of the times he has prevented catastrophe.  Surprisingly, the council will vote to keep Harry on the white council.  He will be stripped of his title as Warden, but will still be THE Warden of DemonReach. 

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4. The White Council will finally believe Harry has gone warlock and will attempt to kick him off the council.  Eb, the Gatekeeper, and others will push it to a full vote of the council.  The merlin will list everything Harry has done that is terrible.  Someone will stand for Harry and defend him, listing all of the times he has prevented catastrophe.  Surprisingly, the council will vote to keep Harry on the white council.  He will be stripped of his title as Warden, but will still be THE Warden of DemonReach.

Of course he'll stay Warden of DR.  Who's going to take it from him. 8)

That'd be a fun scene to read.  I can't decide if it would be more fun to end or start a book with.

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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Primarily the Staff of Moses, aka the Spear of Destiny, Holy Lance, or about 10 other names, because of its ability to manufacture plagues (not just diseases like the shroud) and its symbolical significance to TWG and his followers. Secondarily, he wants the soul of Helen Beckitt's daughter both as payment to Marcone for lending him Gard (more on this later) and in an attempt to recruit Marcone.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
I think he specifically requested Harry for multiple reasons (why do anything for only one after all?). The first being that the entrance to Tartarus lies on Demonreach (maybe even in the well, though I doubt it), without Harry's permission or assistance the plan is ruined almost before it began. The second being that as a mortal who has "died" and returned, Harry likely will be able to reveal things about the Underworld that "normal" mortals (or non-mortals) would miss. At the very least, he would be a good distraction for Hades while the rest of the group is getting the vault if it should come to that. I also suspect that he is scheming for Harry to use Soulfire and attract a lot of things attentions (not the least of all being Hades). 

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
1. Nicodemus (brains)
2. Deirdre
3. Shagnasty (conman via shapeshifting)
4. Gard (guidance)
5. Mavra (stealth)
6. New Denarian (one of the church's coins, possibly Lasciel?)
7. Anna Valmont (vanilla mortal because some of the traps will require mortal blood as well as being an expert thief)
8. A necromancer, my money's on Kumori
9. New Denarian "Ratboy"
10. Harry (access, combat, and distraction)
11. Harry's +1 (See #4)

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Harry's plus 1 will be Thomas because picking anyone else would leave Chicago "undefended". Besides which, he wants to show that he trusts his brother and make up for the whole, "you're a monster" thing from CD. Sanya will definitely interfere leading Mouse, Molly, Kincaid, and Murphy as a "rescue party" for Harry.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will show up, possibly at the beginning to try convincing Harry not to help Nico but definitely at the end to counter Nico's inevitable double cross during which he will die. They'll run into Shiro's shade who will convince Murphy to take up the Sword of Faith (I"m not even gonna try to spell it). 

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab is smart enough to realize that Nico is a dangerous enemy and is still pissed off about his breaking of the accords. Besides which, she wants Harry to become experienced in double crosses, especially in surviving them.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
Lash, the "child" of Lasciel and Harry, who will be released from Harry's head by Molly and will exist as a spirit while in the Underworld before obtaining her own body (either by magic or possession) possibly Helen Beckitt's daughter.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Nico will attempt to con the rest of the team and take the loot by turning them against Harry and trying to get out when no-one's watching. This will be ruined by Sanya's rescue team who help Harry and by Tessa who will lead a team of denarians specifically to stop Nico (with Hades blessing). While this big clusterfuck of a fight is going on, Anna Valmont will steal the loot and escape to Earth, where she sells it to the highest bidder, Marcone and who knows what he'll do with it.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
1. Lasciel will show up in a new host and reveal that she and Harry are Lash's progenitors and attempt to get Lash on her side.
2. After the group is unsuccessful at finding Amanda Beckitt's soul, Lash will possess her so she doesn't feel guilty about robbing someone of her newly discovered free will.
3. Harry will be captured by Hades and will be rescued by Odin/Gard having a prior claim to his soul (because Harry ate in Odin's hall)

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Harry will officially appear before the WC to show he isn't dead.
Mother Winter will be mentioned, specifically in relation to being Death (or perhaps as being similar to Thanatos)
Mavra will be after a sample of the river Lethe to make the world forget about the Black Court and their weaknesses.
One of the (church) Denarians will be rat themed.
Michael will be involved but not take up a sword.
Harry will use Soulfire, either to talk to one of the shades (Shiro maybe?) or to create a body for Lash.


On a side note, is anyone else really curious to find out what it was Nicodemus and Deirdre did to help Mab out originally? Any theories?
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
I predict one of two possibilities: First Hades helm of invisibility, which probably has some others powers or abilities not mentioned; Second, is a mantle of some kind that has been lying in active in the vault for a very long time, Nic wants it back out into the world for his own purposes.
Of course whatever Nic tells Harry they are after is probably only part of the truth. Whatever is initially stated as the objective is likely a smokescreen or tertiary to what Nic really wants. The bait is will be valuable enough for the rest of the crew to fight over while Nic goes for his real objective. That’s just how he rolls.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
I think Nicodemus knows that if he went after this item, Mab would send Harry to stop him anyway and he is using the marker Mab owes Anduriel to keep Mab on the sidelines and Harry where he can manipulate him and keep an eye one him. Other than that, having a Wizard on the team would hurt.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Shagnasty, Binder, The Last Church mouse, etc. Either way I think the whole thing will be a walking Mexican Standoff. Harry will be snarky as ever but I don’t think he will have any lasting allies in the group.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Harry will call Mouse to back him up. 1. Because Nicodemus is afraid of Mouse. 2. In the off chance that the Parasite does erupt out of his skull and kill him, Mouse will be there to hopefully take it down before it can do any damage. Mouse’s recruitment will of course tie in with having to confront Michael about his daughter and actually interact with Little Maggie.
Before Harry leaves on his mission I think he will leave notice with his allies about what is going on. I also think he will be counting on the Knight of the Cross to show up coincidentally and do what they do best.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will definitely show up and he will be at odds with Harry (being he has to do Mab’s bidding). Harry will eventually convince Sanya that he is still working against Nicodemus but can’t help directly. Murphy will get Fidellachius and save Dresden’s butt at a crucial moment allowing him to break ranks after the heist and chase down whichever third party has ninjaed the loot at that point.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab is all about order and Nicodemus seems quite opposite. Whatever Nicodemus is after will somehow upset the established order in a way that will threaten Mab’s interests or she wants the loot for herself as it may be something useful against outsiders. It’s never simple with Mab; there is definitely something deeper going on.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
The Parasite is causing the headaches, which is of course Lash, though whatever she has become is a complete mystery at this point. Mab will keep her end of the bargain (of course); Molly will show up and save Dresden’s backside. This will not be a quick resolution as an afterthought but a chapter’s long scene with some shocking resolution about what the parasite is. Of course once it has emerged it will probably do exactly what Mab said it would: hunt down Harry’s loved ones.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
 It will turn out that the primary point of the heist was not to steal the object but to lure out several nemesis infectee’s or rivals in the open, with the prospect of gaining something of great power, to be eliminated.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
Lash is the Parasite
Lasciel will show up in a new host and reveal that she and Harry are Lash's progenitors and attempt to get Lash on her side.
Mab has Thorned Namshiel’s coin (and Nicodemus wants to make a trade for it hence the heist.)


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Molly will act like Mab manipulated her in to changing but she will reveal she is holding on or Harry will do or say something to reinforce her own personality.  There will be some animosity from Molly.

More on the Fomor.
Status update on the White Council, hopefully some appearances.
Grey Council action.
There will definitely be a debate at some point about which Ocean’s Eleven film is better. Harry will be the only one supporting the older version at first and surprisingly Nicodemus will agree with him. Awkward moment for Harry. There will be lots of little Ocean’s Eleven bits thrown into the story.

Murphy gets killed and Odin nrings her back as a Valkyrie or a Einherjar
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not sure how this will work but

Maggie will be visited by a Secret Service agent (who is secretly a Wizard) because "somebody" made the SS think that her safety is "A Matter of National Security"

' Agent Franks flips open his badge holder and Micheal (after Mouse sort of squints at Agent Franks) notices that his badge has traces of a circle around the central star almost as if the badge holder was used with a Pentacle also'
Jim/Bast could we have more Cat Sith???

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(1) What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
I believe that it will be some object that will allow some control over the seasons, as a tie in to the Persephone/Demeter myth.  Manipulating the seasons is mucking with Mab and Titiana’s powers.  Also, weather extremes are tied to violence and upheaval, which Nic would love.  This is, of course, not what he TELLS anyone.  This will be a quest for a religious relic to restore souls, which will entice several others to join him (see below).

(2) Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?
I have to believe that Harry as Winter Knight and his defense of the island and offing of Maeve are all well known by now. He knows that Harry believes some of the Denarians are not on the same team as Nic.  Thus, this will be an “anti-adversary” quest on the surface.  Thus, Harry is the logical choice. 

(3) Who else does Nic recruit?
At least one more Denarian besides Tessa.  I suspect Lasciel.  I can see Mavra making a re-appearance.  Being dead and all she would be good, and if the Black Court has ties to the Outsiders as some suspect, then she could have her own motives for joining.  Of course, everyone will not be able to kill Harry off hand, but they wont go out of their way to stop him from doing something  stupid. Then there will be Marcone.  Yes, he will be there.  The Denarians will try to recruit him, but he will be looking to continue his efforts to fix that girl.

(4) Who will Harry bring in?  Who will interfere?
I assume Hades is part of the Never Never somewhere.  Harry is starting to realize he has power, but lacks knowledge.  As such, I think he calls on Bob.  We saw how powerful Bob was when battling Necro-Bob.  Plus, he knows a ton.  Bob is the least well known of his allies, so it would be a surprise to them.  I expect at least one interference by Summer- both because of Lily’s death and because they have to oppose actions by Winter.  I could see Fix showing up again.  Other than that, I expect most of his allies to stay out of it- Harry knows this is a bad deal and wouldn’t pull them in.  However, I expect Harry to use them for a big surprise at the end.  Since Bob has learned about the internet, he could be using it to tell them everything, and setting up an ambush at the end.

(5) Knights of the Cross?
I fully expect Sanya to interfere as it his job to oppose the Denarians.  That will likely happen early in the story- Nic will probably steer events to make it happen.  I also think this is the book where Murphy will pick up the Sword.  With her running the Justice Leage of Chicago, it is only a matter of time before she assumes the Arthur role and the FLC changes into Knights of the Round Table, version 2.

(6) What has Mab got going on?
First, she is repaying Nics debt.  I think Nic found out one of the other Denarians was part of the attack on Arctic Tor- an attack designed to free an infected Lea so she could displace Mab.  Nic lent another Denarian to Mab to foil the attack in exchange for eliminating the corrupted Denarian.  But whoever [Lasciel] it was escaped, so Mab owes still.  Thus, that Denarian will be on Nic's crew.  So Harry can think he pulled a fast on on Nic, and Nic can let that Denarian be killed and his hands still be clean.  Second, neither summer nor winter want Nic to get his hand on the McGuffin, so by sending Harry it allows Summer to keep attacking the group and weakening it without revealing that Mab knows Nic’s real objective.  Third, well, see the next item.

(7) What’s with the headaches?[/b]
I think it has been pretty well telegraphed that it is Lash.  By renaming the shadow of Lasciel to Lash he changed it.  Uriel hinted at the power of names in Ghost Story.  I think that, in Hades, Harry will lose the earring.  This will free Lash, who will take over Harry and use him to wage war on Lasciel.  If Lasicel wing, Lash dies and Harry is free of it.  If Lash wins, she will drop the coin and take possessin of the body- gaining Harry another knowledgable (and endebtted) ally.  All part of Mab’s plan.

(8)
After besting the forces and traps of Hades, Nic reveals his item and tries to force his will upon the Queens.  They, in turn, reveal they knew his objective from the beginning, and have agents in place- return of eldest Gruff?  OF course, Nic suspected it and calls in Denarian reinforcements.  Which, in turn, was exactly what Hades expected him to do.  Hades wants the Denarians back under his roof, so to speak, and throws in with the Queens. 

(9) WAG theories
A) Harry will have a moment with the shade of Susan, where he finally receives forgiveness for what he did.  He will have a moment where he could sacrifice his role in the quest to ‘save’ her shade, but will leave her to her fate. This will likely be a test by Hades.
B) At least one Denarian coin will already be in the hands of Hades.  Likely one of them from the attack on Arctis Tor and NOT Thorned Namsiel’s.  This was the payment of Mab to Hades to not take Harry’s spirit right away.
C) Duckie’s infamous Mavra/Harry  poetry will be referenced somehow- likely by her constantly coming on to Harry.

(10) Extra Credit
-Harry will sing or hum “Highway to Hell”.
-Harry will reference Ocean’s Eleven in a snarky comment to Nic- like saying he doesn’t look like Clooney.  Nic will return snark, saying he always thought he looked like Sinatra- referencing the original Ocean’s 11.
-Molly will NOT be seen in person- Mab is keeping the two apart. 
-At some point while wandering the maze, Harry will lament he didn’t bring either a ball of string or a piece of chalk. 
-At some point during the trip someone will suggest splitting up and Harry will reply along the lines of “Dungeon crawl rule #1- don’t split the party.”
- Early on, Harry will find out that Mister died of natural causes.  He is a cat, after all, and a decade and a half for an outdoor cat is unlikely. 
- Harry will get to meet the spirit of Mister and have his tearful goodbye.
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Lol! I allwyas liked the big Bird = trex. It explains why they have t get new kids each season..