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Title: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on August 13, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
It's that time of year again again...

Jim Butcher is currently busy writing Skin Games, and has been letting out tantalizing hints and spoilers.  I would like to exceed the  relative successes of the of the Cold Days Predict-a-thon (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33976.0.html), and see if between us we can figure out what's in store for our favorite wizard PI.

As last time, I am going to try to structure the predictions by posing a bunch of questions and everyone is invited to submit answers.  This thread will then be locked some time before the book starts coming out so people can't change their answers.  Then, after Skin Games is finally out I will grade each of the submissions and the winner(s) will get bragging rights.  Last year, I made a bunch of custom forum icons for the winners.  You may find certain people still "wearing" them as badges of honor.  I'll probably do the same this time around.   



Notes:

a) There are 10 questions, to be graded based on correctness and specificity.  Feel free to be as crazy as you like; an answer of "Harry blows up a building" probably not be worth as much as "Harry blows up the Barad-dûr with Soulfire" if it turns out that he blew up Orthanc with Hellfire instead.

b) Grading will be done at my sole discretion, though I may appoint fellow graders -- especially if the number of submissions is large.  I will try to be fair, but I reserve the right to give extra credit to especially witty or creative answers.  The grading scheme last year was simple and fairly generous.  I would like to spice it up this year with "most amusing mis-prediction" or "made most people laugh".  It all depends on the quality of the answers we get.  --- This is all about us having fun, so if your answers provide amusement, this is something I will reward.

c) Please don't submit more than one set of answers.  Just edit your first submission if you want to change things.

d) The first two chapters are available to the public already -- using those is fair game.  There will probably be more such spoilers (interviews and the like) before the book comes out, so be warned -- I fully expected people to use everything at their disposal in making predictions.  (The sample chapters will be included in the paperback release of Cold Days, and for this reason, transcripts of the videos of Jim's readings available on the interwebs are discouraged) -Serack

e) While I don't expect them to contribute, if the Betas (or Jim) want to enter in some predictions, they are totally welcome...   ;D

f) I'm essentially repeating myself, but please don't post more than once.  I will eventually have to go over all the responses, possibly multiple times, and I'd rather not have to be distracted by conversations.  If you have any comments about other theories, please open a new thread.

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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?  The blurb for SG had some info on this, and all answers that hit on what the blurb indicates as the target have been recorded before anyone could edit their answer to reflect its contents. -Serack

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on August 13, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Personally, my vote is for the Lance of Longinius, based off of a random blurb from Jim.  I'll expand upon this later.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Again, to be fleshed when I have more time, but my prediction is that the fact Harry has been dead is the reason Nicodemus specifically needs him.  I'll go a little further and predict that the real reason Lasciel whispered into Harry's ear is so that he would be temporarily dead (she knew Uriel would help him get better) -- precisely to make him a candidate for this mission.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

- A Naagloshii
- Lasciel
- Not sure yet.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Thomas.  Harry needs someone who can be entirely trusted to watch his back, yet be underestimated up until the point Nicodemus makes his move.  There is nobody better than Thomas for that.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Daniel Carpenter uses a Sword and dies.  Then Michael picks it up.   "Vengeance is mine sayith the Lord"

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Not sure yet.  I'll come up with something eventually.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It's Lash.  That medallion Mab gives Harry is a plot point -- at some point it will be ripped off his neck. 

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I'd love to elaborate on this later on, but my prediction is that Heaven ends up with the thingamadad both Nic and Mab are after.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

TBD.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

TBD
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: ubergeek on August 13, 2013, 01:23:14 PM
1. My first thought was that he was after the mantle of a titan to increase his power.  But I've recently had another thought.  Nic loves to spread misery and despair.  What better way to do that than to take Pandora's box/jar and destroy the spirit of hope that it protects?

2.  I wonder if it's less about Harry's skill set and more about Nic getting another chance to take him out.

3.  Naagloshii, the last church mouse, and a few new characters

4. He'll ask Thomas to join the heist because they completely trust each other, whereas Murphy's a little uncertain of Harry's new mantle.  Mouse may also show up, sensing that his buddy needs help.  The rest of Team Dresden will probably join in when everything goes wrong and Harry needs all the help he can get to save the world.

5.  Jim's said that Michael is coming off the bench, but given his injuries he probably won't be taking up a sword.  More likely he's going to confront Mab in regards to Molly's new position.  Murphy will use Fidelacchius again, although she may still choose not to officially become a Knight.  Sanya will probably show up, but then something might happen to him.  As others have pointed out, a Knight seems to go down every time we see the Denarians.

6.  Given how the Fae are all about balance I suspect that Mab just doesn't want Nic to tip the scales in his favor.  Of course, it's quite likely that's only one of the reasons.

7.  I say it's Lash, or at least the remnants of Lash which have gained consciousness by feeding off Harry's soul.  Technically, it could be considered Harry and Lash's child. Just like how Athena was the child of Zeus and the titaness Metis, whom Zeus swallowed and kept inside himself for her advice and wisdom.  Molly will play the role of Hephaestus and take a psychic hammer to Harry's skull to release the parasite/offspring.  As to what form this being takes, I like what others have suggested about it becoming a spirit of intellect like Bob.

8.  Pass.  I often have trouble predicting those sorts of stories.

9. pass

10. pass
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged
Post by: DoTArchon on August 13, 2013, 01:24:57 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I think this is part of the con. The question isn't what is Nic after, but who is he after... I have several ideas regarding this:

Harry - This is why he wants Harry along, to either coerce (although he knows that won't work) or trick Harry into touching a coin again. Lasciel's coin, more than likely.

Persephone - As per Greek mythology, Persephone was responsible for the life cycle of vegetation throughout the seasons, and could possibly challenge Titania, since she isn't held in check by Mab) ((Side note: on the topic of masks from Cold Days, I wonder if Persphone isn't Titania)) . if Nic can corrupt her then he wouldn't need a holy relic like the Shroud to cause insane levels of chaos around the world.

Nic has tried several times throughout the books to recruit powerful figures (Harry, Ivy, Marcone), he could be trying something similar here again...

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Nic has managed to get his hands on Lasciels coin, and wants to try to con Harry into picking it up again.

Will continue this at a later stage...

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?



5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?



6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?



7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?



8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?



9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.



10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 


Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: dpara on August 13, 2013, 01:27:03 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Persephones soul, aka. Helen Beckits daugther. Why? Marcone said something along the line "The only way to get me to join is to make her whole again". Ok this might not be the sole reason but I'd be damned if this doesn't come into play somehow.
I think they don't want anything from the vault, they just want to trap Harry in there (sounds more fun than major magic mc guffin)

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think it was I know you know I know you know, with Nic knowing Mab is gonna try screw him & the biggest corkscrew in Mabs arsenal is Harry.
Also there is a greater Lasciel & Nic Alliance running with "You help me kill Harry in the worst way we can do and I'm gonna help you with whatever".
"Needing" Harry? uff, he needs someone on the team with ranged attacks and knowledge of the ways?

"You go into the Labyrinth and attract Hades attention, while he is busy with with you we do our thing"

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

- Last churchmouse on Nics side, likely surprise Lasciel powered or she picks her up during the book (let's make that Harrys fault ^^).
I don't think there will be any more Fallen than Nic, Tessa & Lasciel, the others might come into play on an interference team.
Well an assorted team of other wierdos;
Muscle, Binder
Recon, sth. with clairvoyance/astral projection/intangibility
Conman, shapechanger

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

I say Harrys +1 is Kincaid.
Molly will interfere.. or Harry dies.. again.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

I have a hard time imaging the "greatest weapons of humanity" frolicking in some portion of the NN, so I think they will only come into play as "people to avoid" before the heist starts. And likely as a "whoops I was leaving a trail of breadcrumbs" to find them fight in the end.
So I say Murphy will not use the sword in the beginning & sees Harrys buddies, Sanya might get wounded. In the end she takes it up to stop Harry.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Hades is mother winters boyfriend.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It's Lash. Nic will disable Harry by ripping of his earring, at which point Harry has an heart to heart with Lash. So they avoid Lash bursting out by switching places Lash takes over his body and Harry ghosts around.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

There is nothing to steal it was to imprison Harry / let Hades deal with Harry.
The obvious? Harry is gonna split into two people.
"We only said you could take some with you, not that we would/could take him back".

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Thorned Namshiel is in Mabs hands.
Lash is gonna get some form and be one of Harrys sidekicks from now on.
Bob will become the "spirit of the internet", youtube comments Bob will split from him and cause the 3rd world war.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

The council insists that Molly is still Harrys apprentice and tries to gain some leverage over Winter that way, so Molly makes full wizard status.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Tami Seven on August 13, 2013, 02:32:16 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Nicodemus is scared of Harry, scared of his own mortality. The Fallen Angels can, in effect, make their hosts immortal…but not invincible. We have already seen many hosts die at the hands of others, and not just KofC. The only one who has been both Immortal and invincible is Nicodemus and that is only due to his possession of the noose. Only the noose has a fatal weakness, one that Harry discovered and almost managed to use against Nic.  Nic does not want to die, and Andurial does not want to break in a new host.

So they need something better than the noose, something that would grant Nicodemus true immortality without compromising his relationship with Andurial. That is what they hope to find in the vault. There are a few possibilities. 1. Ambrosia, 2. Holy Grail, 3. Water from the River Styx.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Nic was well aware that Mab would send Harry, and Mab was well aware that Nic wanted Harry to come along. Nic still wants to steal Harry away from Mab, but that is not the main reason he wants him along. Nic knows Harry can use Soul Fire, and he needs that ability to get past some of the more dangerous ‘guards’ hiding out in the Maze/Vault. That, and Harry’s brush with death,  which has given him some undisclosed abilities regarding Shades, Ghosts and Spirits of the dead.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

The majority will be surviving Dinarians. The rest will consist of hired help. Possibly Mavra might be recruited by Nic, possibly Cowl might be recruited, possibly Binder, possibly the Ebs if they survived the Erlking and the destruction of the Red Court. Possibly any enemy of Harry’s whom he has not yet destroyed might be recruited. You already know how they would interact with him, except that Nic would have them on a tight leash until the objective is secured. After that, all bets are off.

Shagnasty will appear, but not as a member of Nic’s team. He’ll have his own agenda and destroying Harry will be the bonus.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Harry won’t get his first choice, or his second, or his third. He will run into the Churchmouse, and she will somehow arm twist or blackmail Harry into letting her come along as his +1. Wrong Guess

Harry will get word to Thomas and the others, and they will be on standby waiting for him. Harry might use Toot Toot as a messenger between himself and Thomas (Though I still don’t know why they just don’t try using some type of telepathic communication). Changed mind. Harry will fail to contact Thomas which will cause more trouble between them.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Karrin will finally take up the sword, and she and Sanya will be on standby along with Thomas for when Harry needs them most. Sanya is going to be around at least until the BAT.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab knows the Apocalypse is coming and is trying to control it by getting rid of the competition.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Molly won't be able to remove the parasite in time, or she will refuse to do so. The parasite will emerge, Harry's life will be in danger, but someone else will save him. The rift between Harry and Molly will grow deeper.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Lara and Marcone will work together, sending their own team in to retrieve the item in question. Lara will send in Thomas, and Harry will see that as a betrayal creating a rift between the two brothers. Thomas owes Lara a debt, Lara will force him to betray Harry. But that won't matter to Harry.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. By books end, Karrin will have taken up a sword, which will create 'distance' between the two, further isolating Harry.
2. Maggie Angelica will display magical ability when Harry visits the Carpenters. By books end Harry will have a new apprentice, his daughter.
3. Some new revelation about Maggie LeFay will occur sometime in the book, and it will turn Harry's view of his mother upside down.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

"When Hell Freezes Over" will be said by someone at least once in the book.

Nicodemus ultimate goal will turn out not to be quite so monstrous as Harry assumed. In fact, he will start questioning Mab's motives.

Nic's daughter will die, but he will survive.

By Books end, Harry will be back on the Island, but with Maggie Jr. and Mouse.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on August 13, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
c) Please don't submit more than one set of answers.  Just edit your first submission if you want to change things.

OK; this will be a very partial response at first, and I'll cut questions I've no comments on for now.

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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I reckon 75% likely something from a non-Christian mythos that we've not yet seen in the books, 20% chance it's something to do with the fourth nail from the Crucifixion, and 5% chance it's actually the black athame and the book is going to end leading into a time-travel Harry plot for the next one, in the course of which the athame will get from the end of SG to some time before its appearance in GP, or alternatively, a similar time-twisting plot involving the Blackstaff or Mother Winter's cane.

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

60% confident it will be Sanya, and he will die, leaving all three swords unclaimed.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Only thing I am reasonably sure of here is that this will involve a reveal that Lash was never even slightly redeemed, and faked her suicide at the end of WN.  I give that 70% confidence fwiw.

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I am about 80% confident that a twist here will involve Hades in his role of making sure the dead stay dead objecting to Harry's return, and Harry's escape from this having to do with Odin's prior claim on him because of him eating in Odin's halls.

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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

90% confident: Harry and Molly will face Michael about what happened to Molly at the end of CD.  Michael will be upset but more forgiving than Harry expects.
85% confident: Harry will find some way of blaming a goodly chunk of whatever happens on Nemesis based on leaps of assumption that do not have solid logical support.
80% confident: Michael will not be physically up to coming along on the raid and his role will be primarily advisory.
80% confident: We'll see hardly anything about the White Council, or Murphy or Thomas' off-screen development over the past few books. 
70% confident: There'll be a "You had one job to do" Ocean's Eleven reference.
60% confident: Harry will finally stop lying to himself about being romantically interested in Molly.
60% confident: Jim will sneak in a subtle reference to the original Rat Pack era Ocean's Eleven that will go unnoticed by people looking for references to the more recent Ocean trilogy.
60% confident: While Harry and Nicodemus will be looking for opportunities for mutual backstabbing, the resolution to the book will involve a reluctantly (on Harry's part) acknowledged absolute necessity for them to work together, and will set up that necessity proceeding into future books.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Mr. Death on August 13, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Nicodemus doesn't ever have just one plan--he's there to grab something that he'll need to use for some other plan. My money's on the Spear of Longinus, or the items of power Perseus used in his myth (Hades' invisible helmet, Athena's mirror shield and...bugger, I forgot who gave him the sword. And there was some winged sandals too, I think?)

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2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Nicodemus definitely wanted Harry specifically--I'm imagining he's just been waiting for Harry to take the Winter Knight mantle so he could use this opportunity. He will admit to needing Harry's skills as an investigator--there's something or someone that Nicodemus needs to find for the plan--and he's scheming for Harry to use either Hellfire, Winter Ice, or Soulfire on something in Hades. My money's on Soulfire, because I have a feeling it will have an "interesting" effect in the land of the dead.

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3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
It'll be half new people, and half people Harry's met before. I'm going to go for the long shot and say Kumori is involved somehow, and Eldest Gruff (he seemed to show some respect to Magog before he splattered him).

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4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Harry will pick Sanya to spite Nicodemus and in an attempt to keep him honest. Alternately, Harry will count on the Swords just showing up at some point anyway, and so will pick...Ms. Gard. Who better than a Valkyrie to guide one to the underworld?

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will be there because Sanya is awesome. Murphy will officially take up the sword (or be confirmed to have taken it up already). Michael will attempt to take up his sword again, but will find this to be a bad idea.

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6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Definitely something deeper, and she's counting on Harry finding a way to screw Nicodemus out of his prize. My guess is she wants whatever he's after for her own purposes, and/or wants more information on who was involved in the attack at Arctis Tor.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
I still think it's some form of Lash. While in Hades, she'll be given form somehow.

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
The twist will involve Molly as some kind of ace in the hole--probably her use of illusion allowing her to be nearby right when Harry needs to turn the odds in his favor, or she'll have switched the real macguffin with an illusion. Harry will have no idea about this going into it.

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9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
That Murphy's already taken up the Sword of Faith.

That Monoc got hold of Thorned Namshiel's coin.

That Persephone can come back somehow.

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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Harry will ask whether they're doing the Sinatra or Clooney version, then dither over which he prefers (Clooney because they all get away with the loot, or Sinatra because they don't). Harry will call dibs on Brad Pitt.

We'll find out more about what's going on with the Fomor and who they are, and Molly will initially appear to be going full Maeve, but this will be a trick on her and Mab's part, and she'll reveal later on that she's still holding it together.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Second Aristh on August 13, 2013, 11:55:31 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Nick wants to get Thorned Namshiel's coin (which is infected with Nemesis) back from Hades's vault.  Mab grabbed it up in TC and might have made a deal with Nick behind the scenes while Harry was fighting on the island, depending on how long it took for Nick to figure out where the coin went.  She needed it to bribe Charon/Hades, and she needed to get rid of it for a while anyway because she couldn't keep it from Nemesis!Maeve on her own power without constant attention.  Nick wants it back because he needs information to figure out how deeply Nemesis has infiltrated his organization.  Namshiel is one of the "associates" that Mab mentions in the opening chapters.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Nick wanted Harry specifically because the NN side of Demonreach is Tartarus, a part of the Greek underworld.  Nick is using the Tartarus backdoor to gain entry to Hades's vault.  Nick needs Harry's permission to get his crew into the Well so they can pull off the heist.  Nick won't be interested in Harry's other abilities except maybe Harry's starborn-ness, whatever that entails.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

The last Churchmouse will be there (and secretly be Lasciel's new host looking for revenge against Harry).  Mostly Denarians for the rest of the crew.  No more than one or two new faces for specialized skills.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Thomas or Murphy are the clearest choices, but I think Marcone is a strong possibility as well.  He has a grudge against the Denarians (hence kind of trustworthy in this situation) and knows his way around underhanded deals.  Also, Harry wouldn't feel as bad if something happened to him compared to Murphy and Thomas.  Who doesn't want to see the king of Chicago's underworld interact with the god of the underworld himself?

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya will be the main sword-wielder during the story, but he will be trying to stop Harry along with the rest of the Denarians.  Murphy is going to run interference for Harry against Sanya.  She will take up Fidelacchius in the final act once she figures out Harry's plan to backstab Nick and Nick's counterplan to that.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab thinks Nicodemus is a dick, so anything to spite him is good.  She's also concerned about the Nemesis infection in his group and doesn't trust Nicodemus to handle it himself.  She would like to have Thorned Namshiel's coin back under her control after the Denarians steal it.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Here's my parasite theory:  Theory on the Identity of the Parasite (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38667.0.html)
Basically, the parasite is Nemesis!Lash.  Molly is needed to remove the parasite's influence from Harry's head because she has the required fine magical control, winteriness to lessen the chance of gaining her own Nemesis infection, and Harry knows/trusts her enough to let her work.  Most likely, the parasite is going to be deposited somewhere for use later on in the series as a source of information.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Nicodemus will try to get out first with the item from the vault, and clue Hades in somehow to direct his wrath at Harry.  He may try to delay Harry by taking Mab's earring, but I think the cufflinks Harry got from Mab in CD are capable of protecting him.  If not Hades, then clue in Shagnasty (who's working for the BC again, not a part of Nick's crew; he has a grudge against Harry) to take him out.  Harry will counter by calling in his backup including Listens to Wind.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

-The "British" prisoner in Demonreach is the original Merlin, whose imprisonment is important in keeping the Well secure.  The Well is his "crystal cave" of myth.
-The BC is going to try to screw up Nicodemus's heist by sending Shagnasty, who agrees to work for them because he doesn't like Harry.
-The cufflinks that Mab gave Harry in CD were an insurance policy on her part.  She didn't want the parasite to be calling the shots while Harry was working Maeve's case.  Unfortunately, Harry didn't keep them with him the whole time.  They work like the earring to suppress the parasite.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

I'll probably come back to this later, but Morgana's athame hasn't been physically seen in a while.  Probably another reference to Tam Lin while we're at it.
Also, Harry is finally going to properly meet Maggie in this book.  Michael is going to be furious with him about Molly, but Charity is going to be on Harry's side and shock everyone. (She has more practice with forgiving Harry than any other Carpenter)
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Sandtigress on August 14, 2013, 12:29:44 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

My first thought was something that would grant him a more protective form of immortality/invincibility than the noose since Harry seems to have figured out the trick to Judas' noose which we get a very clear reminder of in Nic's now raspier voice.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

He didn't seem surprised to see Harry there so I suspect that he knew Harry was coming.  My hunch is that Harry himself will be needed to access something that Nicodemus and the Nickleheads can't touch given their evil or corruption or what have you.  Harry will of course be useful for his resourcefulness and adaptability under pressure but they will need him to reach something they themselves can't touch.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Per my previous thoughts, my original expectation is for all 11, or at least all except for Harry, the Churchmouse and his +1 to be Denarians.  Deirdre is a guarantee and I expect that Rosanna and her sad eyes will return - they just beg for resolution and whether she will finally make a choice for or against the Nickleheads once and for all.  If she's there, Tessa's crew stands a good chance of making at least a partial appearance as well.  And if they're all Denarians, then Harry's reaction is easy - instant wariness with the exception of perhaps Rosanna who is good at playing up on Harry's protective side.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

I want it to be Ramirez.   ;)  I suspect it will be Thomas, although Sanya also seems like a logical option except that he is also the only Knight left and thus it would be Bad if he were to die, which is a major strike against bringing him along.  As for everyone else jumping in on things...that seems like a foregone conclusion.  I predict roles for at least Toot and Lacuna and hopefully Molly as well.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot

Sanya has to be there somewhere, yes?  We've been told Michael will come off the bench and I won't be surprised to see Shiro make an appearance, perhaps to convince our new swordbearer to take up Fidelacchius, since we are going down to Hades' realm.  Murphy seems like the obvious wielder of the sword, though maybe she is too obvious...

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

If it's an immortality object, such an object in the hands of a person infected by Nemesis would be devastating.  If Maeve were unkillable, for instance?  It would be a disaster.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Harry was told that Molly was needed to remove the parasite so that seems the most straightforward route.  It could hardly be straightforward though, right?  So most likely, the parasite won't be removed until the climax of the story and it will be in the most unlikely way possible.  Maybe we'll go really out there...a Denarian helps him do it, maybe even sacrifices herself (I'm thinking of Rosanna here) in order to help him do it.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I think it will fall to the parasite again and Harry falling to it.  The twist will come in someone unexpected helping him to overcome it and pull out of whatever trap Nicodemus has planned for him at the last instant, and I think that person will be a Denarian.


9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Hmm...Thinking!

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

We should get an update on Harry and his status with the White Council.  I'm hoping with a cameo from Ramirez.  And if Ramirez and Mexican Coke make it in, I might die of happiness.   :P

I expect to hear about Cat Sith and his progress in dealing with Nemesis.

This one runs counter to my other predictions but was something I noticed while reading last night.  In SmF, Tessa and Rosanna pick up 11 coins while losing most of their former ones and Nicodemus identifies their crew as probably being the ones associated with Nemesis.  So I'm going just gonna throw out a WAG that they're running a second "Oceans 11" team that is going to try and infiltrate Hades' vault at the same time as Nicodemus' team in an attempt to beat them to whatever it is they're after.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on August 14, 2013, 04:34:36 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

What Nic is trying to steal is almost irrelevant, it is what he wants it for that is important.  If it is the Spear of Destiny, it is for the purpose of using against an Archangel like Uriel.  Also, it is not Nicodemus who really wants the "whatsit."  This time Anduriel is in the driver's seat which should give Harry a chance to outsmart him (it).

However, Nicodemus does have his own goals.  Hades is the Underworld of the Ancients Greeks, which is what Nic probably is.  He wants to visit with someone in Hades and perhaps find a way to take them out and leave Harry in their place.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

He needs Harry's Winter icing power to deal with things like rivers of fire and potetial threats like Harpies.  He may also need Harry's magic ability to help Nic make potions to speak with the shades in Hades.  In the original Odyssey the dead needed a libation of blood in order to speak.

As I stated in the answer to the first question Nic wants to ditch Harry in Hades and take someone else out.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

I think we are going to see the Redcap again.  He's real good at setting up traps and is known to be very fast on his feet.  Plus Nic will have discovered Red has a grudge against Harry.  Shagnasty will also be part of Nic's crew.  He will be along because Nic wants some serious muscle to deal with overt threats from heavyweight creatures like the Minotaur.  He also has a score to settle with Dresden.  I think there is a 10% chance that Mavra will also be on the team.  There really isn't anything in Hades that can harm her, with the possible exception of the Gorgon turning her to stone.   

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Harry will ask for Lady Molly to be part of the team and even suggest that Mab could put a geas on her to prevent Molly from removing the parasite until Harry is finished the job.  Mab will refuse this request, and Harry will chose Thomas.  Molly will go along anyway and remain under a veil until the vital moment when Harry needs her most.  However, while Molly will remove the parasite in time, it won't be her or Thomas who ultimately saves the day. 

Murphy will appear at the point where Harry and company will emerge from Hades.  She won't be carrying Fidelacchius either.  She will have given the swords to Michael because she no longer considers herself to be worthy of holding them.  She will oppose Nicodemus as a Denarian; who has decided the only way she can stand up to Nicodemus is to take the power offered by the Fallen in her head.  She will survive and disappear at the end of the story, setting up part of the plot for the next novel. 

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya has to appear as he is the last wielder of a sword still on active duty.  Someone we don't know will pick up a sword and do well for a while before getting killed.  The sword will not have been handed out by Murphy as she will have given them to Michael for safe keeping.  Michael will pick up the dropped sword and use it until the end of the book.  He won't know that he can trust Harry until he sees his friend is fighting for his life against the Denarians. 

It is likely Sanya and Michael will find themselves fighting Tessa and Rosanna, but more on them later.   

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab still has a score to settle with someone on Tessa's crew.  She expects Tessa and Rosanna to show up and try to steal the MacGuffin from Anduriel/Nic.  She wants Harry and his allies in place to deal out some harsh retribution to one or both of them.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

The parasite is Nemesis.  It can't take over Harry because he is a Starborn so it is doing something else.  It is growing like a tumor, but one with intelligence and will of its own to destroy Harry and everything and everyone he loves. 

Molly will use her neuromancy to see exactly where the parasite is and her new Winter Power to eliminate it.  Failing the ability to destroy it, she will remove it (in a frozen condition so it can't do any harm until it thaws out) and then leave it stranded in Hades.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I think I've already got a couple of last minute double crosses in action.  Tessa and Rosanna show but are foiled by Sanya and Michael, while Murphy shows up and saves Harry.  Here is my final twist.  While Murphy saves Harry, frustrates Anduriel, and Rosanna probably bites the dust; much to Mabs satisfaction, but Murphy will steal the MacGuffin and disappear with it.  However, Harry will find the magic "whatsit" on the Water Beetle with a note from Murphy explaining why she had to do what she did.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

We know Anna Valmont will be part of the team and Harry has to look her up.  My guess is that Harry will kill the thug Nic recruited because of his thieving skills; when said thug makes a move against Harry, and will be forced to find a replacement and Anna will be available.  There is a WAG (not my own) that she is carrying Lasciel's coin.  I like that one.

Here's one of my own WAGS; Fix will also be on hand when Harry emerges from Hades.  He won't be there to help him.  He will make a serious attempt to kill Harry on the general principle that he is opposing Mab's will by opposing Harry.  Harry will be forced to kill him in self-defense.  Mab will heartily approve of Harry's actions which will do nothing but depress Harry.  However, Mab and Harry will discover it was likely that Titania deliberately sent Fix on a suicide mission when; near the end of the book, she announces a party to celebrate the choice of her new Summer Knight, Warden Carlos Ramirez, whom she recruited after he was crippled in a fight with the Fomor.   

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

Harry and Molly will visit the White Council near the end of the novel.  Harry will all but be accused of using necromancy to return from the dead.  He will be accused of letting a Warlock run free when he was absent.  Molly will then unveil, and Harry will introduce her as the new Lady Winter and ask the senior Council to pay their respects to her.   Harry and Molly will feel somewhat smug about how they handled the situation until the announcement of the new Summer Knight is read before the Council.

The Carpenter's will be reluctant to let Harry see his daughter.  It is also likely she will be in school at the time the initial conversation between Michael, Charity and Harry takes place so even if they did agree Harry wouldn't be able to see her until after the business with Nicodemus is finished.  After Molly sees her parents, Harry will finally meet Maggie at the end of the book.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: huskermic on August 14, 2013, 05:37:31 AM
1.) As I've stated before I think nic wants to pull off a darkhallow spell to become a demi god. Maybe even to take over Hades spot. And instead of a bunch of people fueling the spell use just one. Hades.
2.) Nic needs Harry because he still wants him on his team. And I believe demonreach is the point to get into never never. We've been told that something dark and deadly is on the otherside and hmmm would Hades lair count.
3.) Nic's crew will have shagnasty, Mavra ( because every five books has denarians and every three has vamps ) some denarians, Ferofax and Cowl. And all of them will be trying to provoke Harry like a bunch of bullies.
4.) Kincade will be the plus one because he has a severe score to settle from small favor and maybe something else from long ago. Later in we'll see Murphy, Sanya, Michael, Daniel, Thomas , mouse, Molly, Marcone and his group, Alphas, Ramirez, and Ebenezer. Basically everybody because he's going to need lots of help.
5.) Murphy will finally if not already have a sword and I'm still thinking Daniel will wield a sword. Plus I think they will be showing some new powers. ( unless king Arthur shows up than he gets Ammorochius )
6.) Mab's reasons are um wow this is hard because I'm twice divorced so I can't figure out normal women. OK she wants balance and payback for crimes of the past. Nic double crossed her so she wants it done to him.
7.) The parasite is He Who Is You the third walker. We haven't seen the subconscious Harry in a long while and I think that is HWIY and that's why Harry has had such a reaction to the mantle. Remember sub conscious harry was lot more primal.
8.) The twist is somebody from either side of the team will switch sides in the end and we will find out who either nemisis or cowl is.
9.) Three previous wag that will be revealed A. Lacuna is the tooth fairy. B. The prisoner of demon reach will be released and C. King Arthur will appear
10.) A. We will meet a new ally that will have Hindu background. Jim has stated that he wants to use their history. B. We have meet all 6 of the Queens now its time to meet Oberon. C.) Never seen any of the movies so will go with this quote. Harry will meet Nic's crew for the first time he will say a Bogart line ( may mess this up ) of all the bars of the world you guys had to show up in my mine.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: pcpoet on August 14, 2013, 08:12:59 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

 I believe that nick is trying to get a hold of the titan chronos. who had been imprisoned in the labyrinth.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use? I believe that harries purpose is to be used to get rid of team that nicodemus is putting together. the team that nicodemouse has put together a team that he wants to work together to get  his goal done and to kill off as much of the team as he can. as far as nicodemous is concerned if harry kills off some of his team at the same time as getting his goal great if harry dies even better. another thing that  is that harry has his mothers jem that allows harry to travel the never never able to predict where conections are. I believe that the jem is necessary to navigate  daelous.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry? this one I have to think about I will edit in my answer later

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? I think that the +1 kinkaid, I also think that William borden and the alas will interfere in some way along with buters, after all with butters and andi an item now how can butters not get involved he is a member of the pack now he just cant turn into a wolf like the rest.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot? I believe that Daniel will be wielding his dads sword and will almost kill himself because of this bringing his dad  micheal in to play who will be there in an advisory level. I also think that murphy at the end of the book will take up the sword after being  embarrassed at the sacrifice that Daniel almost makes of himself. Sonja will be there to and he will be the one that convinces murphy that for the greater good she must take up the sword.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper? I think that mab is looking at this as a training exercise for harry she wants him to learn how to double deal  . she wants harry to learn to hold to the letter of the agreement but in the end not give the person what they want. the other thing is mab is smart enough to no that anything that nicodemous wants could also hurt her.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?  I think harie was infected with the deamon of the red court when he killed of the court at the end of changes. I think that the head ache is that deamon fighting for control of harry and to be born into this world

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out? the twist is going to be that the trip to labryth is a honey pot trap for the denairians and they will be trapped there by hadeas at the end of the book

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.  at some time in the book Dresden is going to pay charone for a trip acoss the river styx with a denarion coin ( I am hopping that it is nicodemouses coin and at the end of the book nicodemous gets out of hadeas mines his coin and minuse andrails influence. and as mad as he can be at Dresden for doing this to him.

Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: sociotard on August 14, 2013, 10:17:19 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Whatever Ferovax got in the box at Bianca's party.  I like the "Hope from Pandora's box" theory a lot, and this could be one and the same.  Yes, we won't see Ferovax until the last book, but if he banks with Hades he might have the object there.

As Nic also likes to do things for multiple reasons, he probably wants to get Harry killed while he's at it.
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2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Concur that Demonreach opens up to Tartarus and Nic wants to use the Back Door. Harry will be sorely tempted to have the island imprison them all.  But, Harry is also good at finding things and people.  Anna Valmont, among them. Lastly, because Nic does things for multiple reasons, he intends to use Harry for barter.  Coming back from the dead annoyed some of the greater powers, and Nic will try to hand Harry over in exchange for cooperation.
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3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Concur Mavra will be on the team. She only works for herself, but she makes deals.
Evil!Bob.
Cowl.
Shagnasty.
A greater Ghoul or lesser dragon. (lower case d)
Marcone will not be part of the core team, but he will provide some necessary resource
And a bunch of Denarians.

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4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Probably Thomas. He might also try to get an extra secret-hiding ally along, like Toot or Bob.  I suspect we will see interference from Sanya, Daniel, Michael (confirmed, AFAIK), Murphy, and Fix

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Agree that Sanya will probably die. Daniel will be denied the chance to wield a sword, and will be so desperate to save the day he will take up a coin while Michael watches.

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6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab wants to keep her knight. She knows that Nicodemus, whatever he promised, will try to kill Dresden. So, she has to advise Dresden to dutifully assist in completing the heist, but also tell him to skin Nic alive before Nic can do the same. I don't think she actually said she had any problem with the heist itself, just that she wanted Nic skinned alive.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
The lovebaby Evil!Bob put on Harry's tongue way back in the day. Getting his baby was Evil!Bob's condition for helping Nic.

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
The whole Heist was engineered by Odin to lure a bunch evil dudes into Tartarus and/or Demonreach, there to be detained. However, this will be thrown into chaos when Marcone uses the heist to take the godhood of Hades and go from lord of the Chicago underworld to Lord of the Underworld Period.

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9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
The Favor Mab owed Nic will be revealed to actually be the favor Cat Sith owed Nic. Cat Sith was Harry's Batman in exchange for Mab taking up Cat Sith's debt to Nic.  I just noticed Nic and Sith use similar phrasing. Either they spent  enough time together for one to pick up the other's phrasing, or Jim just thinks "Tempus Fugit" is something smart evilish dudes like to say.

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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
In the first part of Cold Days Thomas mentioned how scary Lara is getting, to the degree of reaching for national control.  Harry put her on his "to do" list.  Lara will not get resolved in this book, but we will se a plot seed for her to be the central point of the next book.
At some point, Harry will say "Hell was freezing over, and it wasn't my fault."
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: PirateJack on August 15, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I have two ideas in mind here. The first is a set of silver coins used to pay Charon for crossing the River Styx. This could symbolise the return from the dead, as these obols are not meant to return to the land of the living. It might grant Nicodemus the ability to bring two people back to life, or perhaps allow him to bring two more Fallen to Earth.

The second is a bag full of pomegranate seeds, which he plans to trick his enemies into eating (and thus dying). My bets for this one would be attempting to trap Harry in Tartarus and that this is one big con where Nicodemus tries to kill Harry in as complicated a way as possible.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Hmm. Bets on trying to start a war between Winter and Hades. Harry's good at that and Nicodemus would definitely have known that Mab would try to screw him over in the worst way possible; by sending the Knight that knows how to kill him.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

We've got confirmation that Anna Valmont will be returning, so I'll count her out. Otherwise I'd say someone from Greek mythology, probably one who has been to Hades' realm and returned. Orpheus possibly, if he still lives. I'm not ruling out anything here; Greek mythology is full of people interfering with Hades.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Michael. Almost certainly Michael. Harry doesn't need someone to watch his back in a physical sense; he needs someone who won't waver in the face of Hell and provide expert advice on the Denarians Harry may encounter. Sanya will likely get involved in some way... and end up trapped in the Underworld, if my Worst Case Scenario senses aren't betraying me.

Molly will likely involve herself as Lady, but be unable to actually join in the action due to Mab. Otherwise I think Harry might be on his own for this one.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Michael will show up, as I said above, with Sanya showing up in the nick of time.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

She probably has an idea of what Nicodemus wants/could do with the various items that must have ended up in the Underworld over the course of history.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash, the Parasite, and Molly will remove it... Or Lash will emerge from Harry's skull, killing him in the process, but someone will save Harry's life with an item from the Underworld.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Oh Dear God I have no idea. Knowing Nicodemus it'll be something horrendously bad... Prison break of all the souls in Tartarus? Harry and crew stealing the treasure out from under Nicodemus' nose without him noticing?

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Pomegranate seeds will play an important part in this book. Harry will find Helen Beckett's daughter in the Underworld and will find a way to get her back to her body.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

I'm too tired for this one.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: maleclypse on August 15, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
1.  Nic is trying to get something to regain the loyalty of the Denarians.  Most of those that were loyal to him have died in recent conflicts and their coins possibly held by Tessa.
2. I am betting there is a specific trap to Hades vault that requires a mortal (churchmouse), and another that requires a mortal+ (harry).
3.  Nicodemus will almost definitely recruit Rosanna, I too believe that she will make a choice.  I am torn as to whether that choice will be killing Sanya or dying in his place at some point in this novel. 
4. It would be great if Harry were forced to choose Fix.  He could learn more about the mantles and Fix could go off on his own attempting to resurrect Lily.
5. Sanya will be present.  Michael will help Harry pick a replacement for one of the swords.  Probably Fidelachus.
6. Mab hates repaying favors in ways that she doesn't wish too.  Nic delights in calling in favors that pain the giver.
7. Lash, This whole book is greek mythos.  I wouldn't be surprised if Skin Game is partially a play on getting skin for Lash.
8. Odin is trying to get the greek pantheon to be more active.  Poseidon could do a number on the fomors if he chose to. (edit) I think the twist might be that Nic is trying to put Denarians he can't trust into the vault.
10. Harry will specifically refer to one of the denarians we have not seen before with abilities involving a swarm of rats, The Rat Pack.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Lind on August 15, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

What to be filled in later.  Why?  Nic believes the Outer Gates will fall and "the end" will come.  He thinks the object will be a useful bargaining chip that will let him survive "the end".

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Specific plan for Harry
He will admit to needing access to Demon Reach for it's Nevernever connection.
He will admit that he needs Harry to do something that only a mortal who has crossed the bounds of death and returned can do... only when they get to the situation requiring it.
He is scheming to have Harry use Soul Fire and for it to have disastrous consequences for Harry but beneficial consequences for Nic.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Shagnasty - Antagonism as Shaggy gloats over what he did to Harry last time and that Warden or not now, he still has plans for Harry
Anna Valmont - Playing damsel in distress who got roped into this again until the reveal that she is Lasciel's new host
Binder - Gruding play nice attitude with Harry.  Dribbles hints about what else was going on during Turn Coat.
A High level Fomor Operative - Harry's introduction to the Fomor and the main series gateway peek into what the Fomor are doing with the people it is abducting
Marva - Plays her cards close to her chest and doesn't do much more than unnerve Harry.  Her presence however tugs at the strings at the back of Harry's mind that put together Black Court and Outsiders.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Mouse as the initial backup (see tie in to 4)
We will see Sanya, Michael, Murphy, Daniel, Kincaid, The Archive, and Molly in direct ways.  Marcone indirectly

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Harry grabs Mouse and warns Michael both about what Denarians are up to an possible threat of parasite in Harry's head.  Michael spreads the word to get the swords on the job.

Sanya and Murphy wield the swords faithfully.  Daniel gets involved wielding one but is not ready and screws up.  At the end of the book Michael is off the bench getting Daniel ready to perhaps try again.

Although Dresden means to get them involved to help him get out of the mess he is in, they get involved too early and Dresden is going to have to face off against them until he is done with the job and can turn on Nic.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

See 1.  The Macguffin is going to be outsider related and Mab wants it too in her own way.  So she is going to show Hades her competent Starborn Winter Knight who probably is going to need to borrow it someday...

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash is causing the headaches.  Molly is going to transfer Lash out of Harry and into - To Be filled in.  Anna/Lasciel?  Persephone?  The Macguffin?

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Twists in order

Anna revealed to host Lasciel at a very bad time for Harry.
Harry revealed to be jotting things down keeping the Archive in the loop.  An angry Archive and Kincaid being Harry's final ace in the hole.
Hades revealed to know the entire thing was happening and letting it play out to test vault security and see it's weaknesses.  Final result of that being a thanks to Harry and a mention that he might need the Macguffin later.  Secondary reveal that Marcone consulted in the matter and Hades owes him a little something...

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Anna Valmont as Lasciel's host.
Black court on the side of Nemesis
Fomor on the side of Nemesis

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

To be filled in.
Something something Odin psychopomp something something having Thorned Namshiel's coin.
Something something Persephone something something.
Something something Uriel something something.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: SAZ on August 15, 2013, 10:39:46 PM
Good fun - thanks Knnn

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why? The item will be something out of mythology, but it will have a heavy JB spin on it – kind of like how JB made Excalibur one of the Swords of the Cross.


2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use? – Soul fire and/or Winter Power


3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry? – Other nickelheads. A Skinwalker, Lashiel with a new host. The Church Mouse. Also an insider; someone from the mythos who lives in or works with Hades. Charon or Thanatos perhaps have become disgruntled with their boss. Also Rakshasas have been mentioned in other books, so I'll go with one on Nic's crew.


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? - Karrin will be Harry’s first choice as #1. If she can’t, I see him asking for Thomas or maybe Mouse because Mouse spooked Nic a little in SF.


5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot? – We will see Sanya, and Karrin will show up using the sword of faith.


6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper? 

Well it is Mab, so she has to have at least three reasons or goals.

*The first is clear and on the surface; it is to keep things stable in the supernatural community.

* Mab wants information about, and revenge on those nickelheads involved in PG and of course any nickelheads who might be involved with outsiders.

* As you will read below, I am putting a lot of my chips on there being a background scheme between Mab and Anduriel. It could be almost anything, so I can’t really say, but I do have a favorite, although unlikely idea I have listed below.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book? – The Parasite is the source of the headaches and Molly is at least indirectly involved with the parasite’s growth resulting in its need to get out of Harry’s head. Also the parasite is a damaged/modified Lash (yes WK Lash did become independent form Lashiel). Molly will have to be involved with the removal of the parasite to help insure Harry’s safety.


8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

*There are likely to be more than one. For starters one or more of Nic’s crew will try something on their own – in essence backstabbing Nic.

*Nic will try one last recruiting or team up effort on Harry. When Harry turns him down Nic will try and get Harry in trouble with, or to strand Harry in Hades.

*Harry will first and foremost try and keep the heist item away from Nic or any of Nic’s team members. Harry, who in recent books has demonstrated he is not afraid to call archangels, or visit the Mothers, or have a beer with Odin will go to Hades himself and work out a way to back stab Nic with Hades help.

* Look for Anduriel to do or say something unexpected.

*Lashiel and her host will of course try to kill or at least screw over Harry.

9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

*Mab and Anduriel have something cooking on the side that Nic is completely unaware of, or Nic has been misinformed about (it might be that Anduriel wants to dump Nic, and wants Harry to be his new coin bearer... but it could be something else).

*Nic will realize or be reminded by the end of the book Anduriel doesn’t give a rat’s bottom about Nic, and that he has been a tool of Anduriel’s. A special tool perhaps, but just a tool all the same.

*We will learn that at least one fallen is working hard on getting freed from their coin.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

*Harry will get to exchange words directly with Anduriel… Nic won't be happy.

*Michael will be tested in an epic Old Testament sort of way… however we may not official know that what happens to Michael in SG is a test until a book or two later.

*Considering how smart Mab is, and how smart Nic/Anduriel are, and presumably how smart Hades should be… all that forethought and foresight and intellect working against each other might just get all tangled up into a great big mess. This might be the first book that ends in a way that will surprise the crap out of everyone and makes them all say “What the f*@K” in surprise or puzzlement… or invoke a collective “Oh shit”.

*One of the regular team Harry members will end up with a coin, or at least touch a coin and end up with a shadow of a fallen.

*JB hasn’t made Harry suffer enough. So I think it is time for a love triangle! I mean Harry has problems with relationships or would be relationships involving just one women. Make it two, and well, Harry will wish he were dead again. It will likely involve Karrin and Molly, but I could also see it being Karrin and someone else.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on August 16, 2013, 03:56:57 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
 Part of me is thinking that nic is after teh 11 coins taken from demonreach, lost in the escape. Also, i am wondering if the church has happened to lost their coin collection, and it is now in hades vault. everyone is talking about the spear of destiny, but  what about the seal of solomon? there are plenty of god artifacts to get the apocalypse started.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
 SOul fire, winter mantle, map of the ways from mommy, necromancy knowledge. EAch would be useful. Harry was born to be starborn, on the day that immortals are vulnerable, that may give him some help.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
 More than likely most villains harry fought against that still live, so to ensure that while harry may attempt to screw him over, most of the team just wants him dead. SO binder, kumori(I think like mab, cowl would send his help in the form of a representative), ghoul assins, BCV, formor, rakshasa, fomor, grendelkin a whole host of bad guys. eleven coins was in the bag tessa took, so it would pay for eleven to cross the river.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
My bet is kincaid or thomas, thomas as he trusts him, and kincaid as he would be eager to mess with the nickel heads. THey are experienced in dealing with monsters, and are unlikely to become denarian knights themselves.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
 THe sword can only defend the innocent, I really dont think the archangels would approve of a vault heist, so any sword power will be limited. I do see them being part of Harry's plan, send a message to get them to meet him, so just as the bad guys go for the kill, the swords turn up, and take a litle of the top.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
 Denarians aided in the strike against her, and the black circle is responsible for so much, she is looking of ways to cause them pain.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
 SAy at some point harry goes temporarily ghost, the the spirit could slip out.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
 Remember in turn coat, how harry had this whole trap set up on the island, but as a back up plan he had a kid with a camera waiting in just the right place. I think dresden may have a whole complicated plan, where all the bad guys are going to attack each other, but as back up, he is going to plan for either him or the bad guys to be where they have to be at a certain time and take advantage of it. Most likely, using the island/ or mabs gift to best he can.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
 I am hoping for treasure for all, Harry is in need of some funds, so could be very useful.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
 I am really hoping some of the coins get locked in the well, the same for the skin walker. While it is possible nic may know that dresden is the warden, the other bad guys might not, and it is the perfect place for a trap. THe parasite will be reveled and dealt with, possibly imprisoned or used as a weapon.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Icecream on August 17, 2013, 11:26:54 AM

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?


Umm not sure, I was thinking a client of Hades will be the target then I thought, hey lets see what google has to say about Hades and something involved with skin and it came up with the Cap of Invisisbility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_of_invisibility) which makes the wearer invisible to other supernatural entities apparently, but that's a pretty nifty item maybe Harry needs to get that before he actually robs the real vault.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


Well we know that Nic knows of Harry's potential outsider baneness and wants him on his team for that so I'm guessing his main goal of working with Harry is that. I'm also thinking perhaps Nic knows Harry did return from being dead and this has attracted the attention of Hades (Vaderung said he had done so with certain powerful entities) and wants to use him as a distraction or trade to get want he wants. Hades has to be pissed off about Harry cheating death.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?


Ummmm.... Mostly things that hate Harry and one surprise who doesn't.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?


Kincaid. Harry calls him up pointing out that he did not in fact fulfill his promise so he still owes him one.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Murphy with Fiddelacchius (sp?). But in doing so she dies then gets a job offer from Monoc.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
 Like I said, if he's getting the cap then he will be able to sneek past her defenses, which she probably doesn't like the idea of.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Honestly, have no idea, going to take a guess that it's something on the island trying to escape introduced to Harry's head in SmF.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Oh golly gosh. I have no idea I'll just take a random guess. Ebeneezar will be on the team, we will have a fomor on there, because Nic's been shown to work with them in the past (those cat things) and they'll bring on some creatures made to work for Nic but really only obey them. Helen Beckitt  will be shown to be aiding Nic and co to somehow screw over Marcone and the whole Demeter thing has to tie in there somewhere.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.


It's a WAG for a reason. Anduriel is Kincaid's father, don't ask me how that's possible. Might explain some of that Animosity we saw between him and Nic at the aquarium. And then at the beginning of SG Mab points out that Nic/Andy brought their "spawn" along with them last time and requested symmetry, so what if it was Kincaid that he took and then Kincaid can come along this time and he has a good reason to screw over Nic and work with Harry to get back at abducting the archive.
Oh and of course we also know Kincaid is not completely human.

Um Karrin will take up the sword of the cross against Harry and company, die then be offered a job at Monoc .


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.


Umm don't know I feel like some SC members will make an appearance, merely because we haven't seen much of the council in the last few books.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: robertltux on August 17, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
something that would be severely twisty

What if JUSTINE somehow gets the Lash Nickle??

this would be possibly the Best/Worst of both worlds for everybody

1 Thomas's Hunger Demon now has a "friend"
2 Justine may or may not become effectively Immortal
3 The Temptress just got a MeatSuit (and she has the WCV seal of approval!)
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on August 18, 2013, 04:46:05 AM
 What if the heist is not simply just against hades, but possibly nic enemies in the fallen and their allies the black circle? having a starborn on the job makes sense,  he can stand against their power when needed.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TDF_fan on August 19, 2013, 02:44:46 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Not sure, will come back to this...

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
This is Nicodemus, he's got a plan alright, to manipulate Harry into doing something that will benefit him in the long run. Something involving the use of soulfire...

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Not sure, will come back to this...

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Thomas is the logical choice, but I'm going to say Lea is getting back into the picture here. Thomas/Molly/Ivy

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will be there to argue against Harry working with Nic, Michael will come off the bench and something terrible will happen to him for his trouble, and seeing as we're going to the underworld I wouldn't be surprised if we somehow saw Shiro at some point. (even if only as a flashback)

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Not sure, will come back to this...

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
It's the growing presence of Lash, who has been mostly dormant while recovering from the Psychic Bullet she took for Harry back in WN, her emergence is actually spawning a new soul inside Harry's body and is the reason for the headaches, Molly will act as a psychic conduit for Lash and transfer her into the body of Helen Beckett's daughter,

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Not sure, will come back to this...

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
WAG#1: I mentioned before that Lash is going to wind up in body of Helen's daughter, this is why...she's going to take up Fidelacchius, the sword of faith
WAG#2: Harry will admit to himself that he has feelings for Molly beyond that of a Master/Apprentice and give in to her desire to be with him, only to be caught in the act by Murphy who will be crushed even though she knew it was a possibility (dare I say, even an inevitability!)
WAG#3: Nicodemus will die by the conclusion of events in this book...Dead...D-E-D...and Anduriel will wind up in the hands of the last person Harry would ever suspect/expect....
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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Not sure, will come back to this...
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on August 19, 2013, 05:18:13 AM
 I believe that one day the daughter of helen, code named demeter will rise again. since in every denarian book she is mentioned, good chance she will show again. Since she is seeming an empty shell, I guess she could host Lash. That fact makes her great for a sword of the cross.
 in every denarian book, the nickleheads loose members or their coins are taken by the church. There are only 4 knights who have retained their hosts  through the series, so either they die or the rehoused ones. If any of the old time knights die, that would remove capable hosts from the order. Some of which might have been comprimised by the nemesis. So the church will add to their stash of 14 coins, or harry will start a collection in the well.
 Something will happen to deidre,  as daughters always get messed with, if your parent if big in the supernatural world.
 In every denarian book, a knight puts down the sword, the first died, and michael had to retire.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: dillic1 on August 19, 2013, 06:06:58 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Jumping off of what a few other people have discussed, I believe they're after Thorned Namshiel's infected coin.  I also think Mab traded the coin to Hades in return for Hades not casting a claim on Harry for "dying".  I know we've debated whether or not Harry actually did die, but I believe whatever actually happened to him would have allowed Hades to also claim Harry's soul.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Nic needs Harry's protection or strength against Outsider mind-whammies so that once freed, the coin doesn't destroy them.  Have we seen the Fallen operate in the NeverNever?  I think perhaps the coins might find outside intervention easier there.  Or perhaps whatever is guarding the coin has been infected as well, hence the need for Harry.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

ChurchMouse
Shagnasty
Insert Denarians Here
Binder
 
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Thomas will be recruited by Harry.  Sanya, Fix, Molly, Murphy, Sarissa, and the Alphas will be involved in some way, shape, or form.   

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya and Harry are going to duke it out.  Sanya is going to be killed, but not by Harry and not during their fight.  Sanya will die protecting Harry or another innocent from Nic.  Harry goes 'you-just-stole-my-daughter' level crazy and destroys the Labyrinth in the process of attempting to destroy and/or trap Nic n Company.
   
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

She wants the coin back from Hades, but she also wants Harry to find something else of great importance in the Lab that we won't know is important until another book or 2. 

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It's Lash and Mab is playing word games with what it will do to his family/friends.  Having Harry die AGAIN would destroy them, especially after he is just back being alive (in their mind).

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Nic has a deal with Hades that if he can deliver Harry Dresden to him, he will give him the coin.  Nic will try to steal the coin first, with his deal with Hades serving as his backup plan.  Harry in turn makes a wager with Hades of some kind and is able to win, granting his freedom.  Harry will straight up kill one of the Fallen and destroy a coin in some way. 

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. Harry will fight the Minotaur, who will be nearly immune to magic.  He will end up having to run away, but will use the Minotaur to destroy another enemy later on, then destroying the minotaur after it's served his purpose. 

2. Michael WILL NOT take the news of Molly well, will punch Harry (Harry will pull a Spiderman and mention he could have avoided the punch, but takes it anyway).  Charity will be the voice of reason and forgive Harry.

3. Harry will still not meet Maggie yet.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

1. Someone in the book will be eating in every scene they are in, much like Brad Pitt's character.

2. Molly will have already changed beyond all recognition physically, mentally, and magically.

3. Ramirez is angry with Harry for not keeping him in the loop.

4. The White Council will finally believe Harry has gone warlock and will attempt to kick him off the council.  Eb, the Gatekeeper, and others will push it to a full vote of the council.  The merlin will list everything Harry has done that is terrible.  Someone will stand for Harry and defend him, listing all of the times he has prevented catastrophe.  Surprisingly, the council will vote to keep Harry on the white council.  He will be stripped of his title as Warden, but will still be THE Warden of DemonReach. 
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Sully on August 19, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
4. The White Council will finally believe Harry has gone warlock and will attempt to kick him off the council.  Eb, the Gatekeeper, and others will push it to a full vote of the council.  The merlin will list everything Harry has done that is terrible.  Someone will stand for Harry and defend him, listing all of the times he has prevented catastrophe.  Surprisingly, the council will vote to keep Harry on the white council.  He will be stripped of his title as Warden, but will still be THE Warden of DemonReach.

Of course he'll stay Warden of DR.  Who's going to take it from him. 8)

That'd be a fun scene to read.  I can't decide if it would be more fun to end or start a book with.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Zarl96 on August 20, 2013, 06:55:23 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Primarily the Staff of Moses, aka the Spear of Destiny, Holy Lance, or about 10 other names, because of its ability to manufacture plagues (not just diseases like the shroud) and its symbolical significance to TWG and his followers. Secondarily, he wants the soul of Helen Beckitt's daughter both as payment to Marcone for lending him Gard (more on this later) and in an attempt to recruit Marcone.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
I think he specifically requested Harry for multiple reasons (why do anything for only one after all?). The first being that the entrance to Tartarus lies on Demonreach (maybe even in the well, though I doubt it), without Harry's permission or assistance the plan is ruined almost before it began. The second being that as a mortal who has "died" and returned, Harry likely will be able to reveal things about the Underworld that "normal" mortals (or non-mortals) would miss. At the very least, he would be a good distraction for Hades while the rest of the group is getting the vault if it should come to that. I also suspect that he is scheming for Harry to use Soulfire and attract a lot of things attentions (not the least of all being Hades). 

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
1. Nicodemus (brains)
2. Deirdre
3. Shagnasty (conman via shapeshifting)
4. Gard (guidance)
5. Mavra (stealth)
6. New Denarian (one of the church's coins, possibly Lasciel?)
7. Anna Valmont (vanilla mortal because some of the traps will require mortal blood as well as being an expert thief)
8. A necromancer, my money's on Kumori
9. New Denarian "Ratboy"
10. Harry (access, combat, and distraction)
11. Harry's +1 (See #4)

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Harry's plus 1 will be Thomas because picking anyone else would leave Chicago "undefended". Besides which, he wants to show that he trusts his brother and make up for the whole, "you're a monster" thing from CD. Sanya will definitely interfere leading Mouse, Molly, Kincaid, and Murphy as a "rescue party" for Harry.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will show up, possibly at the beginning to try convincing Harry not to help Nico but definitely at the end to counter Nico's inevitable double cross during which he will die. They'll run into Shiro's shade who will convince Murphy to take up the Sword of Faith (I"m not even gonna try to spell it). 

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab is smart enough to realize that Nico is a dangerous enemy and is still pissed off about his breaking of the accords. Besides which, she wants Harry to become experienced in double crosses, especially in surviving them.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
Lash, the "child" of Lasciel and Harry, who will be released from Harry's head by Molly and will exist as a spirit while in the Underworld before obtaining her own body (either by magic or possession) possibly Helen Beckitt's daughter.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Nico will attempt to con the rest of the team and take the loot by turning them against Harry and trying to get out when no-one's watching. This will be ruined by Sanya's rescue team who help Harry and by Tessa who will lead a team of denarians specifically to stop Nico (with Hades blessing). While this big clusterfuck of a fight is going on, Anna Valmont will steal the loot and escape to Earth, where she sells it to the highest bidder, Marcone and who knows what he'll do with it.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
1. Lasciel will show up in a new host and reveal that she and Harry are Lash's progenitors and attempt to get Lash on her side.
2. After the group is unsuccessful at finding Amanda Beckitt's soul, Lash will possess her so she doesn't feel guilty about robbing someone of her newly discovered free will.
3. Harry will be captured by Hades and will be rescued by Odin/Gard having a prior claim to his soul (because Harry ate in Odin's hall)

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Harry will officially appear before the WC to show he isn't dead.
Mother Winter will be mentioned, specifically in relation to being Death (or perhaps as being similar to Thanatos)
Mavra will be after a sample of the river Lethe to make the world forget about the Black Court and their weaknesses.
One of the (church) Denarians will be rat themed.
Michael will be involved but not take up a sword.
Harry will use Soulfire, either to talk to one of the shades (Shiro maybe?) or to create a body for Lash.


On a side note, is anyone else really curious to find out what it was Nicodemus and Deirdre did to help Mab out originally? Any theories?
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Phobos on August 20, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
I predict one of two possibilities: First Hades helm of invisibility, which probably has some others powers or abilities not mentioned; Second, is a mantle of some kind that has been lying in active in the vault for a very long time, Nic wants it back out into the world for his own purposes.
Of course whatever Nic tells Harry they are after is probably only part of the truth. Whatever is initially stated as the objective is likely a smokescreen or tertiary to what Nic really wants. The bait is will be valuable enough for the rest of the crew to fight over while Nic goes for his real objective. That’s just how he rolls.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
I think Nicodemus knows that if he went after this item, Mab would send Harry to stop him anyway and he is using the marker Mab owes Anduriel to keep Mab on the sidelines and Harry where he can manipulate him and keep an eye one him. Other than that, having a Wizard on the team would hurt.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Shagnasty, Binder, The Last Church mouse, etc. Either way I think the whole thing will be a walking Mexican Standoff. Harry will be snarky as ever but I don’t think he will have any lasting allies in the group.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Harry will call Mouse to back him up. 1. Because Nicodemus is afraid of Mouse. 2. In the off chance that the Parasite does erupt out of his skull and kill him, Mouse will be there to hopefully take it down before it can do any damage. Mouse’s recruitment will of course tie in with having to confront Michael about his daughter and actually interact with Little Maggie.
Before Harry leaves on his mission I think he will leave notice with his allies about what is going on. I also think he will be counting on the Knight of the Cross to show up coincidentally and do what they do best.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will definitely show up and he will be at odds with Harry (being he has to do Mab’s bidding). Harry will eventually convince Sanya that he is still working against Nicodemus but can’t help directly. Murphy will get Fidellachius and save Dresden’s butt at a crucial moment allowing him to break ranks after the heist and chase down whichever third party has ninjaed the loot at that point.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab is all about order and Nicodemus seems quite opposite. Whatever Nicodemus is after will somehow upset the established order in a way that will threaten Mab’s interests or she wants the loot for herself as it may be something useful against outsiders. It’s never simple with Mab; there is definitely something deeper going on.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
The Parasite is causing the headaches, which is of course Lash, though whatever she has become is a complete mystery at this point. Mab will keep her end of the bargain (of course); Molly will show up and save Dresden’s backside. This will not be a quick resolution as an afterthought but a chapter’s long scene with some shocking resolution about what the parasite is. Of course once it has emerged it will probably do exactly what Mab said it would: hunt down Harry’s loved ones.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
 It will turn out that the primary point of the heist was not to steal the object but to lure out several nemesis infectee’s or rivals in the open, with the prospect of gaining something of great power, to be eliminated.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
Lash is the Parasite
Lasciel will show up in a new host and reveal that she and Harry are Lash's progenitors and attempt to get Lash on her side.
Mab has Thorned Namshiel’s coin (and Nicodemus wants to make a trade for it hence the heist.)


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Molly will act like Mab manipulated her in to changing but she will reveal she is holding on or Harry will do or say something to reinforce her own personality.  There will be some animosity from Molly.

More on the Fomor.
Status update on the White Council, hopefully some appearances.
Grey Council action.
There will definitely be a debate at some point about which Ocean’s Eleven film is better. Harry will be the only one supporting the older version at first and surprisingly Nicodemus will agree with him. Awkward moment for Harry. There will be lots of little Ocean’s Eleven bits thrown into the story.

Murphy gets killed and Odin nrings her back as a Valkyrie or a Einherjar
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: robertltux on August 21, 2013, 08:08:05 PM
not sure how this will work but

Maggie will be visited by a Secret Service agent (who is secretly a Wizard) because "somebody" made the SS think that her safety is "A Matter of National Security"

' Agent Franks flips open his badge holder and Micheal (after Mouse sort of squints at Agent Franks) notices that his badge has traces of a circle around the central star almost as if the badge holder was used with a Pentacle also'
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: lt_murgen on August 22, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
(1) What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
I believe that it will be some object that will allow some control over the seasons, as a tie in to the Persephone/Demeter myth.  Manipulating the seasons is mucking with Mab and Titiana’s powers.  Also, weather extremes are tied to violence and upheaval, which Nic would love.  This is, of course, not what he TELLS anyone.  This will be a quest for a religious relic to restore souls, which will entice several others to join him (see below).

(2) Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?
I have to believe that Harry as Winter Knight and his defense of the island and offing of Maeve are all well known by now. He knows that Harry believes some of the Denarians are not on the same team as Nic.  Thus, this will be an “anti-adversary” quest on the surface.  Thus, Harry is the logical choice. 

(3) Who else does Nic recruit?
At least one more Denarian besides Tessa.  I suspect Lasciel.  I can see Mavra making a re-appearance.  Being dead and all she would be good, and if the Black Court has ties to the Outsiders as some suspect, then she could have her own motives for joining.  Of course, everyone will not be able to kill Harry off hand, but they wont go out of their way to stop him from doing something  stupid. Then there will be Marcone.  Yes, he will be there.  The Denarians will try to recruit him, but he will be looking to continue his efforts to fix that girl.

(4) Who will Harry bring in?  Who will interfere?
I assume Hades is part of the Never Never somewhere.  Harry is starting to realize he has power, but lacks knowledge.  As such, I think he calls on Bob.  We saw how powerful Bob was when battling Necro-Bob.  Plus, he knows a ton.  Bob is the least well known of his allies, so it would be a surprise to them.  I expect at least one interference by Summer- both because of Lily’s death and because they have to oppose actions by Winter.  I could see Fix showing up again.  Other than that, I expect most of his allies to stay out of it- Harry knows this is a bad deal and wouldn’t pull them in.  However, I expect Harry to use them for a big surprise at the end.  Since Bob has learned about the internet, he could be using it to tell them everything, and setting up an ambush at the end.

(5) Knights of the Cross?
I fully expect Sanya to interfere as it his job to oppose the Denarians.  That will likely happen early in the story- Nic will probably steer events to make it happen.  I also think this is the book where Murphy will pick up the Sword.  With her running the Justice Leage of Chicago, it is only a matter of time before she assumes the Arthur role and the FLC changes into Knights of the Round Table, version 2.

(6) What has Mab got going on?
First, she is repaying Nics debt.  I think Nic found out one of the other Denarians was part of the attack on Arctic Tor- an attack designed to free an infected Lea so she could displace Mab.  Nic lent another Denarian to Mab to foil the attack in exchange for eliminating the corrupted Denarian.  But whoever [Lasciel] it was escaped, so Mab owes still.  Thus, that Denarian will be on Nic's crew.  So Harry can think he pulled a fast on on Nic, and Nic can let that Denarian be killed and his hands still be clean.  Second, neither summer nor winter want Nic to get his hand on the McGuffin, so by sending Harry it allows Summer to keep attacking the group and weakening it without revealing that Mab knows Nic’s real objective.  Third, well, see the next item.

(7) What’s with the headaches?[/b]
I think it has been pretty well telegraphed that it is Lash.  By renaming the shadow of Lasciel to Lash he changed it.  Uriel hinted at the power of names in Ghost Story.  I think that, in Hades, Harry will lose the earring.  This will free Lash, who will take over Harry and use him to wage war on Lasciel.  If Lasicel wing, Lash dies and Harry is free of it.  If Lash wins, she will drop the coin and take possessin of the body- gaining Harry another knowledgable (and endebtted) ally.  All part of Mab’s plan.

(8)
After besting the forces and traps of Hades, Nic reveals his item and tries to force his will upon the Queens.  They, in turn, reveal they knew his objective from the beginning, and have agents in place- return of eldest Gruff?  OF course, Nic suspected it and calls in Denarian reinforcements.  Which, in turn, was exactly what Hades expected him to do.  Hades wants the Denarians back under his roof, so to speak, and throws in with the Queens. 

(9) WAG theories
A) Harry will have a moment with the shade of Susan, where he finally receives forgiveness for what he did.  He will have a moment where he could sacrifice his role in the quest to ‘save’ her shade, but will leave her to her fate. This will likely be a test by Hades.
B) At least one Denarian coin will already be in the hands of Hades.  Likely one of them from the attack on Arctis Tor and NOT Thorned Namsiel’s.  This was the payment of Mab to Hades to not take Harry’s spirit right away.
C) Duckie’s infamous Mavra/Harry  poetry will be referenced somehow- likely by her constantly coming on to Harry.

(10) Extra Credit
-Harry will sing or hum “Highway to Hell”.
-Harry will reference Ocean’s Eleven in a snarky comment to Nic- like saying he doesn’t look like Clooney.  Nic will return snark, saying he always thought he looked like Sinatra- referencing the original Ocean’s 11.
-Molly will NOT be seen in person- Mab is keeping the two apart. 
-At some point while wandering the maze, Harry will lament he didn’t bring either a ball of string or a piece of chalk. 
-At some point during the trip someone will suggest splitting up and Harry will reply along the lines of “Dungeon crawl rule #1- don’t split the party.”
- Early on, Harry will find out that Mister died of natural causes.  He is a cat, after all, and a decade and a half for an outdoor cat is unlikely. 
- Harry will get to meet the spirit of Mister and have his tearful goodbye.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: jb2point0 on August 22, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I want to guess Ferrovax's gift, because I want to know what was in that GD box. But then I think, why would a "capital D Dragon" rely on someone else to safekeep his belongings? So this is a tentative guess because I don't think we have any good indication toward any other relic.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

In most cons, you need a patsy, I think Harry and guest will be said patsy, and Nic bet on Mab using Harry. The side benefits (White Council Warden Winter Knight Destroyer of the Red Court) may be helpful, but Harry's main purpose is the patsy.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

I think it will be mostly denarians, but probably a couple other favors called in from Nic, none of them good. Ooo, maybe some demons, like Chauncey.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

I think Murphy might insist or otherwise inject herself into the situation. Otherwise, maybe Thomas because of Nic having his "spawn" accompany him as was said in the SG teaser.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Harry at some point may likely be up against Sanya and maybe even Michael, but Michael likely sans-sword. Also, I feel Murphy should be the one to acquire Fidelacchius, either during or as a result of the events of SG. Harry will be forced to lie to Sanya/Michael about his involvement with the entire operation, which will create huge amounts of suspicion or fall out from Sanya/Michael.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Nic has violated the accords previously, which charges Mab with punishing the violator, and Mab always repays her debts ;)

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It's Lash, and Molly will have to "cut" her out of Harry, like she cut out her friends' addictions in various ways. Lash will then take residence in Bob's old or new vessel.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I think Harry being the patsy will be the big twist. I think Harry's also being worked over by Mab, and this heist will alienate him from most everyone except maybe Molly.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Murphy has Lascielle's coin, and will she will be used to screw over Harry. This will lead to Murphy being confronted by Sanya, Michael, and/or Harry, having her coin removed, and her becoming a KotC of the sword of faith.

Mouse will Fu Dog the sh't out of Cerberus

Anduriel was the shadow that killed Harry

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

Lea will get screen time after a full book of being a no-show.

We'll find out which angel killed Harry

Harry will tell Michael about Molly, and Michael will get The Warrior-style irrationally angry about it. Harry's gonna be really sore after.

We will find out something about Maggie Sr. from Nic

We will find out a tiny bit more about Malcolm

Harry will receive his backpay from the White Council
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: peregrine on August 22, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
No angel killed Harry.  Unless you mean the shadow.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: jb2point0 on August 22, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
No angel killed Harry.  Unless you mean the shadow.

The shadow was one of the fallen, which are all angels.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Gigglestomp on August 23, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

   TBD - I will definitely pick one as I give it more thought. Right now I am leaning towards a being or soul, rather than an actual object. Whatever it is, he plans on creating a long-term feeling of fear and despair with it (That’s his m.o.). It’s one step closer to the apocalypse in his mind.
   Possible Beings: Persephone
   Possible Objects: Pandora’s Box of Badness

   I’m also pretty sure that Nic is going to go as long as possible without telling Harry what the object is. It is going to make it much easier to keep him wondering and screw him later. It’s going to be one of Harry’s major tasks to “guess” what the object is and develop plans to double cross Nic.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


Nic needs Harry because Harry has been dead and returned. They are going to the realm of the dead. He is going to need Harry to slip by one of Hades’ security measures. I believe I know which of those it is too… Garm/Cerberus.  I do not want to ruin my extra credit  (#9) by fully elaborating on Garm/Cerberus here. But the dog was given to Hades to guard the entrance to the underworld: to keep live people out and dead people in. Harry was dead before and returned. The dog will want him back. He will be able to cross where most living beings can not.
Nic is probably scheming for Harry to use Soul Fire at some point to create something (Still trying to decide what this something might be).

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Nic recruits a whole bunch of baddies from bad town to do baddery. But I think that Harry will get a few suprises thrown in there he did not expect to see.
1)   The Last Churchmouse, Anna Valmont. There is WOJ out there that she may be involved, but I don’t see Harry recruiting her. So I think Nic recruits her, and she is going to be a big surprise for Harry. I don’t think Nic would bring along a vanilla mortal, so she has probably been given a coin. She may have impressed him with her previous heists, and he recruited her knowing he would have this job to do later. She will probably be his number 2, which will piss Deirdre off, because heists are second nature to her. She now has the knowledge of a fallen angel to add to her lifetime of instinct and planning. I think she will kind of act as Nic(Ocean)’s Rusty. She will manage the small details, while he does the whole picture.
2)   A Naagloshii. Harry hates these things, so naturally he’s going to have to work with one. Besides being totally evil, they are very capable. Highly resistant to damage, fast, strong, and can wield magic. They can also shapeshift which I imagine will be very helpful in a bank job. It would fill the role of grease man / bag man. Someone who can get places most people would not think to look, and accomplish a task there.
3)   Nic’s daughter Deirdre. He takes her everywhere, we saw her in the preview chapters. She’s good at cutting things and giving Nic nookie.
4)   Kummori or Cowl. I think probably Kummori. They will have an entirely different object they want to get from Hade’s vault. They are tagging along for the ride. Most likely they will offer him their skills in manipulating the dead and spirits, which will be necessary in Hades’ realm.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

While his first choice is probably Kincaid, I don’t think Kincaid will agree to back him in a job with the Denarians. He’s going to pull Thomas off the bench and go for muscle over skill.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Michael is NOT going to be on Harry’s backup list, but ends up getting involved anyway. I think when Harry goes to tell Michael about his daughter, he doesn’t take it well. He gets upset. Then when Harry lets slip about the job he’s going to do, Michael’s clouded judgment gets him to act against Nicodemous, even though he is no longer a knight. I think he calls up Sanya and Murphy, they grab their swords, and go try to stop Nicodemous and Harry. Harry did not tell him it was his job to screw Nic over. In the end Sanya is mortally wounded.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab always holds up her end of the bargain, but she also always pays her debts. Some of the Denarians, and definitely Cowl and Kummori, screwed her at different points in time. The Denarians played big wolf to her little pig at Arctis Tor. The necromancers gave Morgana’s Dagger to Lea, which cost her her daughter. I think both will be on this job, and I think she’s setting them up to be screwed BIG. In addition to that, she’s probably just screwing them to be contrary. It’s in her job description to get the best of anyone in bargains.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

The headaches have been going on since before Lash, so that’s a bunch of hooey. I’m still not quite sure what is causing the headaches, but it is a creature of some sort. I always thought it might be linked to him being a starborn. They might get worse and worse as the day gets closer and closer. This probably isn’t it though because there are twentyish books before the apocalypse. That is, unless the apocalypse doesn’t have to do with the start of the outsider attack, which could occur sooner than book 20. It will be resolved when Nic or some other baddie rips the earing off his ear or something, and he’s not on Demonreach. This will probably happen right before the final conflict in the book. The consequences will be dealt with in the aftermath.
TBD. Ill return to this.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Willing to bet Mab and Hades were gaming them all from the start to get someone to somewhere at a certain time to make something happen. Ill try to flesh this out more later.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

          (WAG 1) The Eldest Foo Dog
We keep meeting the grand-daddy version of each supernatural creature. We have the eldest fetch, eldest gruff, and the eldest malk now.

I'm pretty sure in Skin game we are going to meet the eldest foo dog

Quote
In Norse mythology. Garm (a giant ferocious dog) guards the gate to Hel’s realm, the underworld. In Greek mythology, Cerberus (a giant ferocious dog) is given to Hades to guard the entrance to the underworld: to keep live people out and dead people in. The only difference is that Cerberus has three heads.

So we have a big dog spirit guardian that can interact with both living and non living beings. Sounds like a foo dog to me.

I am thinking he is going to be Hades' door guard, just to get into the realm, not even the vault.

I'm also willing to bet money that this "obstacle" is the reason Nic needed Harry on the mission in the first place. Harry has died and returned. It's possible that Cerberus or Garm might let him past, seeing that he belongs there. It opened more pathways and options for Harry then he is aware of.

Also Hades might not be a man. If you go with Norse Mythology like with Odin, Hades is a female also named Hel. In this case the dog would be Garm instead of Cerberus.

          (WAG 2) Mother Winter Holds The Mantle of Hel, the Norse(like Odin) version of Hades
She rules over the dead, and her vault is guarded by a guardian dog spirit named Garm.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Elegast on August 24, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Nic wants the spear of destiny. He knows some of the denarians are traitors, he needs a weapon powerful enough to deal with them.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Nic wanted Harry.

Reasons:


3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Lasiel and her host
Ana Valmont (probably Lasciel's host)
Binder?
A skinwalker.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Harry will ask Murphy to come.
Michel will also come into play.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya, Murphy and Michel.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

It won't be said in this book, but MW is Death and Hades is one of her minions. Harry was sent to help him, even if doesn't know it.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?


Lash is causing the headaches and is coming back. She will take the new home which was initially prepared for Bob.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

No idea.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Bob's new house will be made out of a computer.

Lash causes the headaches.

Lash is infected (contaminated by Harry).

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

The destruction of the RC will be depicted on the wall of the WC HQ.[/list]
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: kokolores on August 24, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

As I recall Hades had a special helm and chariot in his possession so they should appear, but they are far too obvious. So I'm gonna put my money on something else. Either the keys to the doors of tartarus to unleash all kinds of beasties upon the world or some pomegranate seeds he intends to feed to some unsuspecting summer deity.

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2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I figure Nicodemus wants Harry at his side for several reasons. First, because Nick wants to kill Harry and this will be the perfect opportunity. Secondly, because forcing Harry to work with him will be the most fun Nick has had for years. Thirdly because Hades hates those who manage to cheat death and that fact makes Harry prime bait.

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3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Anna Valmont is a given I think because of WoJ, but apart from her I expect one of them will be Marcone. Marcone has cast himself in the role of Hades too often for him not to appear.
Kumori as a necromancer also would make a fitting addition. She will lose some of her mystique and she'll be one of those who will work together with Harry in good faith.
Finally I kinda expect Mavra to show her maggot riddled head once more. Her sole goal will be to kill Harry once and for all.


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4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Harry's plus one will be Kincaid. As for who will interfere? Sanya, Fix, Murphy, Ivy, Molly, Sarissa Mort and Butters in some manner or another. I fully expect Harry to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for his allies to follow so he can lay a trap of his own.

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya and the new one which will be a complete surprise. So it won't be Murphy although she might use one of the swords for a bit.

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6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

If you consider that Nicodemus is someone who always plays the deeper game you can imagine that whatever he plans to do will have far reaching consequences for the world. It will probably affect the very balance of the world and Mab does not want that to happen. So her tool Harry is chosen to interfere for her good, the good of the world and his good in that order. Besides she wants Harry as her Knight to get a proper reputation. CD was only in house business so she couldn't show Harry off to the rest of the supernatural crowd. This time Harry will be in the midst of major league players and for him to survive he will show himself as the most dangerous of them all. Thereby enhancing her own rep as his queen.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

The parasite is a combination of Lash and Outsider and it will get resolved by Molly helping it be born without Harry having his skull explode. With the greek setting of the book and it being literally the child of Harry's brain she'll be called Athena.

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Obviously Nicodemus will double-cross Harry. Probably setting him up as the sacrifice who is supposed to get hunted down by Hades and Cerberus. But Harry will be ready for it. He will have set up his own back-up beyond what he was allowed. He'll have left a trail for his usual allies- lead by Sanya and Murphy- to follow and they'll spring a trap of their own on Nicodemus. Naturally Nick will be ready for it because his true plan depended upon one of Harry's allies interfering. In the end Nicodemus will escape only to fall into the true trap he did not see coming.
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9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. Nicodemus will get finished off in this book and it will involve a super soaker and the Waters of Lethe.
2. The new wielder of Fidelacchius will be the nice jar ad kid from SmF.


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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit

No clue what to write right now. I already put my WAGs in the last question.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Denarian Stormborn on August 25, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

My bet is one some article of power to use in the BAT. Nic is usually all about chasing the apocalypse but I think he sees things are becoming dire he might need a power up.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Harry having died and come back will show some of it's significance in this book. Hades will probably be interested in such a person.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

I'd rather see a mixed bunch than his typical Nicklehead crew. The churchmouse will probably be there, and I think a naagloshi is heavily favored in the general opinion because of the name of the book.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

I was trying to think which of his usual companions he hasn't had a book with lately. Thomas was featured heavily in the CD, as was Molly and she's probably on the shelf for this one at least until its climactic to reveal her winter lady goodness. Mouse isn't a bad idea but I don't really consider him a Major companion if that makes sense. Murphy hasn't been used for an entire book since, what Changes? And just having a sword with her, even if she doesn't take it up, could be a good threat to keep Nic in check.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

My dream scenario is that when all looks lost for Harry that Sanya, Murphy, and Daniel Carpenter run in and rain holy death on some fallen/demons with all three swords.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

I believe she mentions in the reading that Harry is there to make sure whatever Nic is planning doesnt go down. Couldn't really guess as to what or how or why at this point.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

I believe it's Lash, corrupted by Nemesis (somehow) and Harry will rid himself of it when he finally takes up her coin provided by Nic at the best possible moment. Hell Harry already has the mantle to deal with, some serious anger issues, and a world of guilt on his shoulders. I don't know if you guys watch Breaking Bad but he's getting to be more Heisenberg and Walter White at this point. One more nasty influence in his head doesn't sound like an illogical next step.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Nic and Hades were working together to deliver Harry to the underworld where Hades believes he belongs. Of course Nic double crosses Hades and takes what he wants from the vault as well as his original payment. Hades then makes a quick deal with Mab aaaand fireworks.
9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. Eb is infected as well as the leader of the Black Council.
2. Justin was working toward the same goals as Maggie and sent HHWB to give Harry his first piece of knowledge about outsider/being a starborn.
3. Kincaid was a denarian at some point.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

I got nothing.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: vultur on August 25, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
The remaining stored Denarian coins, given the WoJ where Jim carefully didn't say where they were kept, probably implying it would become important in a future plot.

Either to boost his faction's power in general, or to help him against the potential "Black Council"/Nemesis Denarians.


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2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Nic may have wanted help from Winter generally, not specifically Harry, because of Winter's ties to death and thus Hades. Or he may have wanted Harry specifically.

Either way, given that he's got Harry, he probably wants Harry to use Soulfire, a power he otherwise wouldn't have any way of accessing.

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3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Deirdre, almost certainly. Not Tessa or Namshiel, he doesn't trust them at all at this point. Maybe Rosanna. At least one Denarian we don't know the name of yet, though we may have seen them briefly.

I agree that the remaining Churchmouse will probably be there... not sure if she will be on Nic's team though -  given their bad experience with the Denarians in DM, I'm not sure how Nic would get her to come along. Maybe he got one of the other Denarians to make the deal in disguise, or just used one she didn't meet in DM?


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4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Probably Thomas, possibly Murphy (I'm not sure Murphy is the right choice for a theft... but she's gotten a lot harder/darker in the last few books, so...)

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya certainly.

Michael will appear, but not actually use a Sword.

Fidelacchius will find a wielder, probably Murphy. Though... given the changes Murphy has gone through, Sanya may die or be badly wounded, and Murphy may pick up Esperacchius instead, Fidelacchius going to ... dunno. Daniel Carpenter doesn't sound right to me.

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6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Nic's success would make the Denarians stronger, and they've already proved they're willing to flout the Accords, and they're agents of chaos and destruction... with the potential of wrecking the balance of the supernatural world and distracting Winter from the Gates.

So likely Nic isn't thinking specifically about working against Nemesis in the Denarians, Mab wouldn't object to that I don't think.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash in some form. I like the idea of an "Evil Bob" equivalent Evil Lash, remnants of her evil side cast off when she turned good (saw that theory in Serack's Parasite Theories thread).

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Not sure, I can never predict Jim's twists/surprises... even the ones that other people do figure out (it took me embarrassingly long to learn who Tavi was).

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9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Mother Winter is Death.


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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

Harry will reveal more about Soulfire and how to use it that he picked up between books (maybe even from being dead, CD was in kind of a hurry and he knew to use it against Mother Winter's will then...)
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: KevinSig on August 26, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
He's trying to get his hands on Pandora's box.  He intends to use it to cure Thorned Namy's coin of the Nemesis infection.

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2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Neither.  Nick has a goal in mind, but no set specific plan.  Nick will hand the entire planing of the heist over to Dresden.

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3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

While I expect that Nick will bring in his own suggestions to the team, but other than Deidre & his tongue tied teammates, I think the heist will be entirely Dresden's plan.

I do expect that Binder, the Last Churchmouse, Tera West to show.  Felicia Raith & Mr. Childs (the Troubleshooter) might also show.

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4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
I think Harry's initial Plus 1, will be Molly.  It generally won't be well known that Molly is the new Winter Lady, and as such Nick will not be expecting any of her actions.

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5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
I expect that Murphy will get over her hang up regarding the sword & finally take it up full time.  Nothing spectacular, but I don't see anyone else qualifying currently.

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6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
I question the premise of this question.  Obviously, Mab knows how Harry thinks.  Getting him to agree to this operation, pretty much hinges on the notion of betraying Nick.

I see Mab just manipulating Harry here.  She honestly doesn't care if Nick is betrayed or successful.  She just wants to give Harry as reason to see that the task is completed.

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7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
There has been a few hints already, that the parasite is Lash.  I suspect she allowed herself to be infected by Nemesis during the Outsider attack by Vittrio, so that she could act against her nature.

She tried to burn herself out, before the infection could take root.  Right now, she's Proven Guilty Lea, level of sanity.

Endgame, she becomes a spirit of Intellect, like Bob.  Suspected vessel will be a nickel-like coin of some sort.  (Maybe something with an Athena-type head.)  Cured of Nemesis by Pandora's box, perhaps.

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8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
I suspect that the last Churchmouse will end up taking up a Denarian coin, either to outright kill Nick.  Or join up with him, for some unknown reason.  Potentially, the new bearer of Lashiel.


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9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
Can't think of anything WAGish, really.

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10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.
Harry will be put in front of the White Council, with a vote to determine if he's allowed to retain membership.  I suspect that the vote will be close, with Ebenezer, the Gatekeeper & Listens to Wind voting for keeping Harry.  The Merlin, Christos & Martha Liberty voting against.  Ancient Mai providing the unexpected tie breaking vote, that keeps Harry in the Council.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Dimitri on August 26, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
I suspect a powerful "fallen" related object.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Harry being previously dead will be important, plus Harry is good at hitting people.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
I suspect most will be new superbaddies that Harry's never seen before. Some will instantly hate Harry and vise versa and some will later become allies.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Butters, but because "Polka will never die!" Harry will be forced to use someone else. His second choice will probably be Will or Thomas. The swords will make an appearance near the middle to end of the book though, and I suspect most of the JL of Chicago will show up near the end for a rescue. Ivy might make a guest appearance as well.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will be there, and I suspect one other sword will come into play.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
It'll depend on whatever it is that Nic is after, but I suspect him getting it would be very bad for Mab and she's opposed to it.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
I don't have a good answer for this one.  :-X
8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Nic will reveal that he's after something completly different that what everyone thought, but Harry will be "sorta" ready for him and he'll pull of weak victory.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
The thing that Nic is REALLY after is the soul of Magaret LeFay.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Harry will meet with several people that have died possibly: Susan, Kim Delaney, Harley MacFinn, Malcolm Dresden, Magaret Lefay.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: finnmckool on August 29, 2013, 04:18:25 PM
Number One: I like the Spear of Destiny as the On Top reason for Nic wanting to go down there, and as the "Harry has to go to make sure Nic DOESN'T get it" motivation, both for Harry AND Michael.

Number 2: Nic's Top Card reason is that Harry has been dead. It's also, "Because you owe me, Mab, do I NEED a reason to bring your demi-god of destruction?" One of his In the Deck reasons is because Harry's been dead, and he can maybe trade him to Hades. His Bottom Card reason is there some sort of Starchild (WFUNK, ya'll!)  role Harry can play that Nic needs to hasten his Apocalypse, and probably strike back at his Nemesis compromised liutenants. Only room for one devil in this Armageddon after all.

Number Four: I think Harry's call in is going to be someone you don't expect that Harry needs for his "long con" on Nic. Personally, I like him not taking anybody, but actually smuggling in someone like Toot as a slightly literal ace up his sleeve. "What? You said I could bring a date."

Number Six: Mab hates to be in debt. She hates her creditors more. Also, in her own weird way, Mab is charged with holding things together (Guarding the Outer Gates). Nic's crew is in the business of "Tearing Things Apart." Those interests are colliding, especially on the front of one Harry Dresden, that Mab has some recruiting capital invested in for longer plans. In short, their long term goals are about to become in opposition.

Number 7: I don't know exactly are causing the headaches, but I guarentee that Mab isn't going to wave a magic wand and make it go away. She never said that the parasite would kill him, she said he would die in three days if he didn't do what she said. The parasite and the headaches will resolve themselves, which Mab knows but won't say, part of why she kept him isolated so she could use it to scare him off the island. HOWEVER, if he hadn't taken the job he'd be dead because Nicodemus would be too powerful to stop, or someone would have hit the island, OR Mab would have sent someone to kill Harry for insubordination. Either way, he would have been dead in three days and it wouldn't be directly related to the Parasite.

Number 8: I don't know how all the twisting will go down, but I'm betting that Mab's earring isn't just keeping Harry alive (if it even is for the headaches, see above). The earring is gonna be one of his tricks up his sleeve and he'll only catch wise to what Mab gave him right when he needs it.

Number 10: Hades will offer back Susan or Harry's mom to Harry in some form. It'll end as well for him as for Orpheus. Speaking of, Harry will lose someone/thing right at the VERY MOUTH of Hades, a la Orpheus.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: peregrine on August 29, 2013, 04:34:49 PM
It's also, "Because you owe me, Mab, do I NEED a reason to bring your demi-god of destruction?"
Yeeeessssss?

Having a debt owed to you by someone does not mean you get to dictate terms arbitrarily.  We saw something similar when Eldest Gruff outright said that though Summer owed Harry a debt, it wasn't enough to force him to capitulate to Harry in the fight.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: finnmckool on August 29, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
Yeah, but Nic's a wiseass. And between him and Anduriel, he knows enough to know how far to push it. I think it's something like, "Look at all the power he brings to the table, why WOULDN'T I want him to assault a god? It's what he DOES." And the fact that she owes him will just sit there like a gun on the table.

The better question in my mind is, WHY does Mab feel the need to clean all her slates? I think we'll find out that HER motivation is more the point for down the road. As in, Mab knows something BIG BIG BIG is coming and she wants to consolidate all the power she can by paying off her debts, which represent holds on her power.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: vultur on August 31, 2013, 02:53:53 AM
The better question in my mind is, WHY does Mab feel the need to clean all her slates? I think we'll find out that HER motivation is more the point for down the road. As in, Mab knows something BIG BIG BIG is coming and she wants to consolidate all the power she can by paying off her debts, which represent holds on her power.

Or maybe she expects to die soon?

Which could be yet another reason to kill Maeve in CD, so that she didn't inherit the Queen mantle.

(I know it's said that Mab couldn't cure Maeve like she did Lea, but surely she could lock her up in ice indefinitely, if she didn't want to kill Maeve?)
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Sue on August 31, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
This critter has to be in Skin Games ... (http://10steps.sg/wp-content/uploads//2012/10/Cerberus-wallpaper.png)
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Elegast on August 31, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
Plz stop discussions as asked by Knnn in the OP.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: peregrine on August 31, 2013, 05:29:15 PM
Yeah, but Nic's a wiseass. And between him and Anduriel, he knows enough to know how far to push it. I think it's something like, "Look at all the power he brings to the table, why WOULDN'T I want him to assault a god? It's what he DOES." And the fact that she owes him will just sit there like a gun on the table.

The better question in my mind is, WHY does Mab feel the need to clean all her slates? I think we'll find out that HER motivation is more the point for down the road. As in, Mab knows something BIG BIG BIG is coming and she wants to consolidate all the power she can by paying off her debts, which represent holds on her power.
But that begs the question of "does Mab feel the need to clean all her slates?"  Mab owing Nic may be a gun on the table, but Mab doesn't actually worry about guns, as we have seen.  She can ignore it at will, if she wants.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: KevinSig on August 31, 2013, 07:37:30 PM
This critter has to be in Skin Games ... (http://10steps.sg/wp-content/uploads//2012/10/Cerberus-wallpaper.png)

Well, Cerberus did show in Daedalus's labyrinth, in the God of War games.  Maybe Butcher will take a nod from he GOW games?  Kinda would be disappointed if he doesn't give some sort of nod to the games, even just as a joke.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: panorama on September 01, 2013, 06:03:09 AM
Thanks for setting this up again, knnn!  As the bearer of the top spot in the Cold Days Predict-A-Thon (the badge for which I proudly display as my avatar), I'm here to defend my title.  So here we go: 

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

According to Greek mythology, the Labyrinth was commissioned by King Minos of Crete and built by Daedalus, to imprison the Minotaur.  The fact that it is Hades that holds the Labyrinth and its contents throws a twist into the original myth.  I'd say, Nicodemus is after

A)  The Minotaur or an artifact of power that represents the Minotaur (e.g. a horned, bull-shaped helmet) that has a lot of destructive potential. 

or

B)  The Greek goddess Persephone, who was kidnapped by Hades in the original myths.  Because Persephone ate the pomegranate seeds of the underworld, she must remain in the underworld for an appointed time.  Since, Persephone is a goddess of vegetation and growth, having her out of the underworld in violation of her appointed time might wreak havoc on the finely balanced power of the Summer and Winter Fae Courts.  So, Mab has a vested interest in Nicodemus' not being successful in freeing Persephone from her prison. 

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


Nicodemus wants Harry involved.  There is one thing that Harry has that makes him really, really unique (for a non-angel) -- Soulfire.  No angel is going to help Nicodemus, but he can get Soulfire at his disposal by calling in his marker with Mab.  Jim once described Soulfire and Hellfire being akin to matter and antimatter.  I think Nicodemus is going to use the Hellfire that his crew has, and combine it to Harry's Soulfire to create a metaphysical stick of dynamite to "blow the doors off the vault".  After all, Harry was able to use Soulfire to break free from Mother Winter's chains in Cold Days.  Anduriel/Nicodemus probably know better than Harry what "the fires of creation" are capable of and so Harry is absolutely key (pun intended) to the heist. 

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry? 


A)  Dierdre will be Nicodemus' right hand.
B)  Nagloshii has already been mentioned by Jim as being a part of the crew. 
C)  They will need a guide to navigate through the Labyrinth.  Ariadne was the the one in the myths who guided Theseus with regard to the Labyrinth, so I would say Ariadne or her ghost or somebody related to Ariadne or Theseus.  Either that or Icarus, Daedalus' son (or his ghost). 
D)  If it is to be a ghost guide, then they'll need a necromancer of some sort. 
E)  They'll need somebody/something who can help to make a getaway…Pegasus or a Centaur?
F)  Assorted muscle

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

Without a doubt, Kincaid will be his +1.  This isn't Harry doing something altruistic, it's him helping a hateful enemy do something equally unpleasant.  Whenever the Denarians are involved, people die or are horribly injured/traumatized.  He won't want to bring his friends or family into this.  He'll want to bring somebody who

A) keeps their word and can be trusted 
B) with whom he doesn't have a personal relationship
C) will be motivated to help him, if for no other reason than to get back at Nicodemus -- so he'll bring Kincaid.

Also, Bob will be consulted on at the very least to provide knowledge and guidance. 

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

We also already know that Michael is coming off the bench, so he'll "interfere" and Sanya will most likely be involved because the Knights of the Cross are in place to counter the Denarians.  Murphy will not be involved because she is not a Knight of the Cross.  She is just in possession of the Swords, which is an important distinction.   

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

See point 1B.  If it is Persephone in the Vault and she is the goddess of vegetation and growth, then having her out of the prison/vault against her appointed time will wreak havoc on the balance between the Summer and Winter Courts.  So, Mab has a vested interest in ensuring that Nicodemus is not successful. 

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

The parasite is causing the headaches.  The parasite is an entity that can be reasoned with (since Mab and Demonreach worked with it to keep Harry alive in Ghost Story) and has control over parts of Harry's body.  So, it's almost a given that the parasite is related to the Lash entity or some derivative thereof.  Since Mab is a creature of her word and she said that if Harry fulfilled his mission that she would take care of the parasite for him, I'd say Mab will deal with the parasite as promised.     

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Harry won't have the juice to take out Nicodemus directly, but if their target is Hades, I'd say that Harry will bring Hades into the mix and do everything he can to get Hades into position to take back what was stolen. 

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

A)  Mordred is the man with the British accent that is imprisoned in the Crystal Caverns on Demonreach.  Merlin imprisoned him there as fitting and long-lasting punishment for betraying Arthur.
B)  If it is NOT the Minotaur or a Minotaur-related artifact of power that is in the Vault, then it will be the Minotaur that will be helping to guard the Vault/Labyrinth.
C)  At least one of the Swords will find a new owner in Skin Game (this could include Sanya's sword)

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

It's been two books (and some short stories) since Harry's death at the end of Changes and we haven't heard a single mention of Eb.  Eb will make an appearance or mention in Skin Game, possibly as the cavalry that Harry will undoubtedly need with the den of vipers that he's found himself surrounded with. 
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: astrogat on September 01, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
I should really just copy panorama, and change one little thing. Maybe I get lucky and win! But really, here are my guesses:

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

The labyrinth was made to trap a creature. So I would guess it's someone, rather than something (well, those two might overlap somewhat). So well, someone that can kill a lot of people.  The minotaur might be to obvious. I see no use for persephone.

But since I have no guess about who that could be, I might just have to say Pandoras box. Which also strikes me as a likely target.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

It's Nic. He always has plans. I don't think there is one single reason for wanting Harry. He wants to kill him, certainly (or maybe just recruit him?). I would guess he also wants Harry for the fact that he has Soulfire, and maybe because of some friends of his.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry? 

Diedre of course. Jim has mentioned Nagloshii, and since he likes to torture Harry, it's probably shagnasty. Since it's the realm of the dead, I think Mort is an option. Binder (the guy who summoned things) might also be an useful addition to the team. And a few more thugs that die on the way. I also think the nagloshii dies. Or he is simply left in the labyrinth. 


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?

I've been toying with the idea of Carlos as the +1. But I think the most likely candidate is Thomas. Or Kincaid. Damn, I'm bad at this. I'm going with Kincaid as the +1, simply because I think that would make for the coolest book. A bad-ass-off between Kincaid and Nic would be quite enjoyable.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sayna for sure. Micheal will come off the bench (per Jim), so I think he will wield a sword. Daniel, I think will try it (and fail somehow). Micheal will save him.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

It's Mab. Once again one reason doesn't cut it. Nic has been breaking the accords for to long. He needs to be punished. And Mab probably don't want doomsday, so thwarting him is probably good. And she will probably twist it so that Hades owns up owning her a favor. And Harry. And mostly everyone else. Mab is going to be the big winner in this book.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash is involved. She is at least in Harry's head. She is wounded and pulling power from Harry to heal (she can't help it). Molly will pull it out and put it somewhere else. Bob will try to seduce her/it.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Harry will trap the Nagloshii in the Labyrinth. Nic will try destroy the world. Harry will try to thwart him by bringing in the swords and Murphy. Nic will smile and spring the trap. Molly will come in and save the day. Micheal, Harry and Molly will talk. It won't go well for Harry.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

We will get a new knight.
More to come.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

Harry will imprison something for the first time. Kincaid and Nic will try to intimidate each over.
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Gautsu on September 09, 2013, 09:03:38 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

George R.R. Martins's drafts for the rest of ASOIAF and his short stories. Why, because he wants to read Bombshells
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Phariah on September 13, 2013, 12:19:22 AM
I am intrigued by the League of Evil. JB says we would know some because they have appeared in the books already. I say Mavra, one of the Goblins from the encounter in Changes, Red Cap, and Talos. those are the ones I think so far. not majorly evil but might show..  Binder, Churchmouse,
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 13, 2013, 12:31:41 AM
I am intrigued by the League of Evil. JB says we would know some because they have appeared in the books already. I say Mavra, one of the Goblins from the encounter in Changes, Red Cap, and Talos. those are the ones I think so far. not majorly evil but might show..  Binder, Churchmouse,

How many people do you expect to be in Team Evil?
Title: Re: Skin Games Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: SAZ on September 13, 2013, 01:30:15 AM
I wonder if we will get to meet a rakshasa? Or perhaps JB will just keep the rakshasa thing as something that is outside of Harry’s event horizon.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Gautsu on September 16, 2013, 12:41:12 AM
I think Nic is going to be interested in finding out how Harry was able to resist Lash's influence as a secondary objective. Also who/how many/if any people he has told about the noose being a way to kill him. And I suspect that in addition one of his goals will be to show Harry even further that they might possibly have even more reasons to work together in the future, if he survives this book. If Demonreach abuts Tarterus as has been hypothesized I wonder if we will see any Cristos (he's Greek, possibly evil, and possibly Peabody's 2nd on DR in TC). I would be thrilled to see some kind of 300 quote ("Denarians, tonight we dine in hell! Madness, this..is..Dresden!"). Catching my wife watching Ghostbusters the other day I could see Harry to Cerberus "Nice doggy, good pooch, maybe I have a milk bone..."
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Paladino on September 18, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Considering Jim answers about how Hades made the labirinth his personal bank, I think it's more likely that Nic is going after an object. If Nic is persuing his regular goals, I'd say Pandora's Box or another greek relic that cause chaos, maybe something from Pan..

But considering the end of SmF, and how all the coins Thorned Narnshiel got from Harry disapeard, they may be under Tessa possescion who migth be BC, or under a third party. Anyway it could be that either a BC Tessa, or a third party has locked all those coins in Hade's safe, to break havoc on Nic's plans. And Nic want his friends back. This plot would also be one of the reasons Michael will get out of the bench..


2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Nic wants Harry for something especific, either cause he was alredy dead once, and that migth help him pass Hades security, or by the Starborn angle..

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Shagnasty, has alredy been mentioned by Jim, I see Harry having a lot of trouble with him, and in the end either Shagnasty buying it/getting locked under DR, or Harry managing to have Shaggy left behind to deal with Hades.

The last surviving church mouse.. I see her being a problem for Harry to deal, he will try to save her/keep her safe, all along not understanding what are her real motivations being there (revenge/forced/greed), until the very end.. I think she migth get killed and be another guilt trip for Harry..

Considering Hades is the lord of the dead I bet we will see some necromancer or at least an ectomancer, I think Kumori is a good possibility. Harry will want to convert her but it wont work. Plus she will probally have a personal objective, maybe an object from the vault to help on her stop death research.

Deirdre will also be present and will be always teasing Harry and, when all the backstabing start she will try to get a chop of Harry personally due to SmF.


5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Murphy has alredy been confirmed as Harry sidekick, So there is a high chance we will see Fidelachius, even if she is there mainly to keep an eye on Harry back.
We know Michael is comming out of the bench, most likely it has to do with Molly, but I wont be surprised if he picks Amorachius for one last time.
I see no reason why Sanya should show up, but all three swords showed up on every Denarian book.. I mean GP apart, all three swords have always shown together (DM, SmF, Changes)..

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

I personally think she dislikes competition. I mean whats the point of she keeping the Outergates safe and one idiot causes the apocalypse on her world? That apart, I think she holds a grudge due to Nicodemus abusing her accords on SmF.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

I'm wanting it to be Lash comming back, been born like Athena, and since Harry is not Zeus she springing out of his head would kill him.... In the end of the book Molly will fix Harry, by extracting this new Lash from his head, where she will either reside on the new "skull" Harry made for Bob (or at least promised to make) or will enter Amanda Beckit, that would be interesting cause since Harry called compared persephone, and Hades will be one of the theme of the book.

I dont think the parasite is Nemesis related, since it made a deal to keep Harry alive during GS, I dont see how keeping a starborn alive would be usefull for Nemesis...

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

I think someone in the nic's eleven group will have made a deal with a thirty party, either BC, Nemesis agent or with Hades themselves. I think it would be a cool twist if the church mouse made a deal with Hades to get revenge on Nic or even to see/bring back the dead church mouses...

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Pass.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
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I think something will happen that will either totally break the Murphy/Harry ship or will make them get in a relationship. I'd be sad but not surpride if Murphy buys it in this book, especially considering Jim quote that some knigths dont last longer than a day..

I think Harry reunion with Maggy and Mouse will be short, not even sure if Harry will be revealed as her father.

I think Harry will finally start accepting a little of Molly interest on him, instead of instantly denying the idea..
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: doh573 on September 21, 2013, 01:15:13 AM
Ok lets do this!  >:(

Harry is going to take Murphy as his plus one. And he's going to make a joke about how she said she'd follow him to Hell and back and now she'll have the chance.

They're going to cross the river styx to get into Hades and Harry is going to piss off Charon (the ferryman)

Half way through the book the boss fight is going to be Cerberus. After Harry gets past him he's going to make a joke about how that never would have happened to Mouse.

They're going to some variation of Pans labyrinth and they're going to be stealing Pandoras box.

For my final wild shot in the dark guess, one of two things are going to happen. Harry is going to try and see Maggie but Michael not understanding that Harry was forced to work with and eventually betray the Nickleheads will refuse to allow him to see her as it would put her in danger.

Or Michael will try and fight Harry on the grounds that back (I think in White Night) when Harry first told Michael he had picked up the coin Michael made Harry a promise, that if Harry ever fell, ever became a monster he would be there to end him. And Michael seems like the kind of person who takes that seriously. I think if he see's Harry working with the Nickleheads he's going to assume Harry has picked up the coin and become one of them. He's trying to steal something that could be used to kill people and Michael is going to try and live up to his promise and bring Harry down as he said he wanted him to.

Bonus wild guess: In the Greek myth Orpheus loses his loved one and goes into Hades to get her back. Hades agrees he can have her back on the condition that he never look back to see if she is following him until he reach the surface. At the very end he caves and looks back and she's lost because of it. The same thing is going to happen to Harry and Murphy. The only difference is Harry won't look back and when they get to the surface she'll be there and he'll say something corny about how he trusted her and knew that she'd be there and I will get all chocked up and blame emo onions.

Guess I know will be accurate: I'm going to enjoy this book
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Carl on September 21, 2013, 09:32:34 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Nearly impossible to guess. It could be an old Greek myth sufferance like Persephone with him seeking to get someone back, (hell maybes he's seeking to control Marcone by putting a fallen into his Persephone, but he needs to wipe out her real soul to do it), or maybe he's going after some old greek artefact, but without at least some clue it's just wild guessing.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Depends if he asked for Harry or if Harry was the help she decided to provide, he might have been trying to get Slyde freed to come help, we don;t know if Nic knows Harry's the Knight as far as i can remember. If he does he's after Soul Fire IMO. It's the one thing Harry brings that he couldn't get in some combination from others. Unless of course he ants something one of Harry's friends will bring instead.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

I suspect most will be Deanerian's. As for others like Harry, that's impossible to say, there's not many options so i'm betting on a few new guys/girls.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

I'm betting Molly's going to get in, but since Mab's been keeping them apart and since Harry is apparently going to let slip to her parent's that she's the new Lady she might show up pissed and wanting to smite him rather than the other way around. Sanya is a high probability too. I don;t think the carpenter's will et involved but since Harry's involved and is the winter knight i'd bet hard on Fix and maybe even Sarrisa showing up. The latter probably in response to Molly.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya is the only current one and i'd bet on him.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

It's probably simple thwarting as the main goal. I don't doubt she hopes for getting something more out of it, but Harry's unlikely to freely give her whatever "it" is. Of course Harry keeping it may be the plan. She say's she wants him to be able to oppose her if she goes bad, but even if he had Molly and Sarrisa and the Summer knight backing him up he's snowball's chance in hell of doing it ATM.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

It all started after Cowl's attack so there's definitely an outsider involved and we know Lash is still around, so unless Cowl turns up and she jumped into his head i'd say's she's in there somewhere too. Molly is certain to get rid of it but i see a few ways it could go depending on how thoroughly Lash has actually changed and if she's there. Assuming she is a few idea's crop up. First she could become an advisor in Harry's head again. Not a huge probability, but possible. Second she could migrate to Molly, we saw how an outsider influence could break the usual rules with Mantles, Lash might be able to do the same for Molly. It's also possible she might end up in someone, possibly someone who's down and ain't coming back. That would presumably make her Mortal in effect.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

First one i'm really stumped on.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. If Lash get's her own Body i think she will be the new KotC.

2. I think Fix will die and Murphy will become the new Summer Knight. Harry doesn't really need a blast and kill approach to make non-harmful to the mortal realm, he just needs someone to remind him when the mantle is making him act bad and someone to help him out of Mab's manications. He's already put Murphy up for the later himself by bringing her as his +1.

3. I don;t know if it will happen but i'm hoping for a really big reunion scene with the carpenter, molly, and harry at the end where Charity and Michael welcome Molly home and hug her and tell her she'll always be there daughter no matter what happens to her, that they think no less of her just because she's the new winter lady, even if they do worry about her. ou no what every parent worth calling a parent would do.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

Pass.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: tpurcell on September 26, 2013, 08:55:28 PM
1.   When addressing what Nic is trying to get a hold of, we must think about what Hades has in his possession. As a god of wealth, it’s possible that Hades has any amount of coinage. Perhaps he has a collection of the Blackened Denarius and Nic wants to recover them; however, I feel that is unlikely. I think it is important to note that Jim has established that mantels or masks can be taken up or cast off and in some cases changed. When I think along this line of reasoning, I feel it is likely that Hades is a mask or mantel that can be taken up by other major league entities of the Nevernever. Let’s consider that Kringel, Odin, and Donar Vadderung are the same entity. I think it’s possible that Hades may be a mask of the Erlking (or vice versa). I think this because the myths connected to Hades connect him to being associated to the spirits of the dead and the change of the seasons as his possession of Persephone indirectly causes the passage of the seasons. Also the binding contract of Persephone’s release and return are based on her eating food he gave her. All of it strikes me as very “Sidhe-like” and in similar spheres of influence to the Erlking.  Persephone herself may be a mask or mantel of one of the Summer Queens. From this perspective, I think it likely that the item Nic wants to steal is likely a symbol of power connected to Summer/Seelie Court.

2.   My idea as to Nic’s plan for using Harry is based on the guess I put forth above that Hades is connected to the Summer Court in some manner. If I’m right, and Hades is somehow connected to Summer then Harry will be VERY useful as his mantel of Winter Power will be very effective in assaulting Summer powers.  Nic will not admit to needing any of Harry’s powers as Nic would never tip his hand in that manner. If Nic allowed Harry to know which of Harry’s Powers he needed then he’d be handing Harry a bargaining chip to withhold. Nic is scheming to have Harry bring his powers of Winter to bear and his deductive reasoning—it’s a Labyrinth after all.

3.   Nic’s recruits will be:
Deirdre: (They’ll get along like gas and sparks, and Harry will attempt to get her destroyed)
Mavra –Only because it’s been awhile since we’ve seen her: (Harry will try to destroy it)
Anna Valmont, and/or Elaine Mallory, and/or an Unnamed New Character: (Harry will find himself getting along with Anna or Elaine or the Newbie and will attempt to save him/but more likely her from their association with Nic, perhaps Anna/Elaine/Newbie is now a Denarian that can be redeemed. Ultimately Anna/Elaine/Newbie puts Harry in an even worse position and by Harry’s choices to attempt to try and save them. Sanya or a New Knight is killed due to this complication causing Harry to remain custodian of two or all three swords)

4.   Obviously Murphy is going to come along. What else does she have to do? She's also the person Harry trusts the most. However; whenever the Denarians show up, so does Johnny Marcone. It’s my bet that Harry additionally turns to Johnny Marcone to help him in some way. The objective of the mission is to pull a heist with untrustworthy elements; and as such Johnny Marcone is best suited to help Harry. Marcone also seems intimately connected to the NAMES: Demeter (Helen Beckitt) & Persephone (Amanda Beckitt – Side note: Amanda means: deserving or worthy of great love), and seems to be real world metaphorical association of Hades. Hades wasn’t evil, but was thought of negatively due to his status as lord of the Underworld, and I think the same could be said about Johnny Marcone. Who knows, it’s possible that Johnny Marcone may become an emissary of Hades in one manner or another  (but that’s a longshot).

5.   Sanya, Murphy and at least one of the Carpenter Family, most likely Michael; but possibly Molly and Daniel too. Murphy is the sub-custodian of the Swords and as such she must be on the role call if The Swords come into action. I have a bad feeling and for some reason don’t think Daniel Carpenter would survive taking up a sword—so, I’m guessing it will be more sad days for the Carpenter family if he tries to take up a sword (I hope I'm wrong). Basically Daniel “wants” to be a Knight instead of being called to be a Knight.  The Swords are there to redeem the Denarians, and as such whoever is serving as a Knight will try to redeem one and likely put the group in an even more compromised situation resulting in more bad things happening, like a death of a Knight(s).

6.   Mab’s reasons for wanting Nic to come to an unhappy end will be multiple and diverse, but among them I think keeping the balance of Summer and Winter intact will be a primary motivating element.

7.   The Shadow of Lasciel, aka Lash, became a separate element split from the coin in White Night. During the showdown in the depths Lash took a mental bullet for Dresden; HOWEVER, as Lash is connected to Harry’s brain/physiology (resides in his mind) it stands to reason that if Harry can recover from any injury over time that so could his brain and by extension Lash as well. When bones heal they ache, when cuts heal they itch, when a brain heals perhaps it causes migraine headaches. Lash once recovered will want out of Harry’s head as being attached to Harry is not a good way to stay alive as Harry always puts himself in harm’s way. I’m reminded strongly of Athena’s birth from Zeus. Athena leaped fully armored from Zeus’s skull when Hephaestus, a godly craftsman opened his skull, to alleviate the headaches. I think it’s likely that in the year Harry has been marooned on Demonreach that he followed through on building a new vessel for Bob. Harry swore on his power to do so, so I think Harry would have done it.  Considering that Bob is in Chicago and Harry is on the island, it is possible (and even likely) that even though the new vessel is complete, that Bob hasn’t taken up residence yet. So at the end, I think Molly will assist opening Harry’s skull (à la Hephaestus) and the newborn Lash spirit will be given an element of air and spirit (Winter associated to the Air Element) and will take up residence in the new vessel. Lash will become Harry’s new or additional lab assistant. One other option is that Lash will be extracted by Molly and Harry will have Demonreach imprison her, thus allowing her to continue to interact with Harry from “behind bars”.  Either way Lash becomes external to Harry and he’ll still be able to interact with her and seek her advice in future books.

8.   Final Twist: an inmate from Demonreach will be able to help Harry get out of what looks like certain doom for him and his crew, in return for freedom. Thus Harry will release a potentially REAL BAD GUY (Probably somebody with an British accent).

9.   WAG 1: Amanda Beckitt's cure will be identified or her safety or well-being will be brought in as a sub-plot point. Every Denarian book, the sub-plot of Amanda Beckitt's shooting get's further defined. I expect that in book 20 Amanda Beckitt will actually be cured by Harry which will firmly seal Johnny Marcone as Harry's ally for the big Apocalyptic Trilogy.
WAG 2: Murphy will either get a “power up” or will get hurt, and we’ll get a sign foreshadowing her eventual death. Murphy is getting old to be operating on the adventure level that Harry is on. She’s awesome, but she’s still just a Vanilla Mortal and is closing in on age 45. By association, Randy Couture one of the all-time greats of MMA made his final title run at age 46 and needed to hang up his gloves after that. Unless Murphy gets a permanent “power-up” she’s going to be closing in on the time when she starts losing fights, and losing fights at the weight-class Harry is in will mean something pretty grim.
WAG 3: Molly and Harry start to become more related as peers and will signify the start of an expanded affection outside Master/Apprentice that will continue to grow. Harry will need to have loving sex with Molly sometime soon. I say this because Harry will need the touch of True Love prior to, or in response to his next throw down with the White Court, otherwise the White Court will be able to affect him. Most likely, there will be a set up for a future story that allows Harry and Molly to be falling in true love and that before Harry and Molly consummate their bond of love, that Harry will actually get ensnared by Lara or a White Court vamp and that at some point Molly will need to break the snare by consummating a True Love connection.

10.   Harry will use his Oak Wizard’s staff as a Thaumaturgical connection to the island of Demonreach as the staff was cut from the oldest oak on the island. That connection will allow him to channel more power or effects that are associated with the island while off the island.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Reventon on September 28, 2013, 11:18:34 AM
Bit late in jumping in on this, but what the hell...

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

This is such a tough question as there several great possibilities.

I'm going to throw the Seal of Solomon out there for a number of reasons. Chiefly because it confers the power of control, and Nic is all about controlling the circumstances of engagement. Given he is also mostly immune to physical damage (barring running into someone else as savvy as Harry), a relic that acted on a primarily physical scale would be of limited appeal. Also, I'd see Nic as being very, very keen to make sure an item that could potentially bind or control Anduriel in some form got neutralised, but one that allowed him to directly attack hostile Denarians (and possibly help against outsiders) would be something he'd want to get into his possession as soon as possible.

The other guesses seem awesome, though. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm dead wrong.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Nic always has a plan, and he rarely fulfils only one objective with a single stroke. Reasons for Dresden:
-Soulfire: First and foremost. Panorama's theories are good.
-The Warden: He can access Demonreach. I don't know how this is crucial yet, but it will be. It's possible the Island's Way opens up straight to Tartarus given what Harry has imprisoned down there.
-Was Dead: Maybe this will help confuse Cerberus. And that's a HUGE maybe. Prolly not. But at least he won't brown his pants about being in the realm of the dead like a typical wizard
-Starborn: Kumori will likely be on the crew. If you were planning on having a Necromancer on your team with links to a big time mage who's worked with outsiders, having a Starborn there as a balancing factor would be a really great threat. Particularly if said Starborn had their last big plan go kablowie.


3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

-Anna Valmont. Nicodemus will have serious leverage on her to bring her in, possibly with her now bearing a coin. More likely, I think it will be blackmail, intimidation and the possibility of a payoff. 
-Shagnasty. This one isn't really a guess anymore.
-Kumori: Many have said it, and it makes perfect sense. She can commune with the dead, Harry respects/is creeped out by her and she's shady.
-Binder: Cheap muscle in bulk
-Deirdre: Duh
-Gard or Hendricks: One of them grabbed Namshiel's coin. If the target was the Seal of Solomon, they'd have a great way of binding a demon (theoretically). I'm betting Gard will be in, but who knows.
-Mavra: To piss Harry off. And because she probably could sneak by Cerberus.
-The Redcap: Cheap muscle who hates Harry? Cheap FAE muscle at that? Right up Nic's alley.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 

Kincaid. To summarise:
-Bar Michael, he has the biggest individual Denarian frag headcount of any single character. Based on ONE encounter in the Shedd. This ignores what he may have done in past centuries. To paraphrase Harry in Small Favor, "He's here to help build trust... I can kick you a lot farther with him around."
-Harry wouldn't get all cut up and emo if he dies. Given the choice between Kincaid, Thomas or Murphy, we all know who he'd rather bid Aloha.
-He's totally amoral. If they have to do anything grey or genuinely evil, he won't question it, having given his word, he'll just do it.

Sanya and Murphy will definitely interfere, Michael's "Coming off the bench", Bob will surely put in an appearance and we'll probably see Molly at the end, briefly, when it's time for Harry to be cured. And she'll prolly be damn scary.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Hopefully Murphy will finally freaking take up Fidelacchius. That one's been coming for a while. My gut says Sanya will get the snot kicked outta him, and this will be a trigger point for her. With the only active knight taken out of play, it literally is up to her to put the boots on and kick major ass.

We know Michael's coming off the bench...and as much as I hate the idea, I think he may end up playing a martyr in this book, having one last fight with Amoracchius. I so hope I'm wrong about that.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab's reasons are rarely simple and like Nic she's a big fan of achieving multiple goals with one action:
-Stability. What's the point in defending reality if anyone who might chip in to fight during the BAT is taken out of the game or ganked by Nic's machinations? Mab may not care for personal damage sustained by his victims, but the stakes are too high for her to let Nic screw with the mortal or supernatural order on a big scale
-Enforcement. The Unseelie Accords are Mab's Accords. Anyone with the nerve to violate them has delivered her a personal insult. This is on top of the personal insult delivered by Namshiel and the Black Council in attacking Arctis Tor. We can bet that more of Nicodemus' former allies will have been involved in that attack, Tessa and Rosanna being likely suspects. Mab wants Harry to send a message. Given the acid marks on Arctis Tor, Shagnasty may also have been involved. Mab will want Harry to see its nutless carcass maimed.
-Binding. First Lea, then Maeve, now Cat Sith... if Mab could get a hold of an item capable of binding Nemesis, that would help fix some headaches

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

My guess is that the parasite is the residue of Lash's Spirit and an attack by Nemesis. Nemesis infected Lash, as it were, while she was taking a "Psychic Bullet" for Harry at the end of White Night. This would explain the paradox that Nicodemus was entirely unable to command the "shadow" at the end of Small Favor, but how the "Shadow form" shown in Ghost Story knew him so intimately....it's not just Lash/Lasciel anymore and doesn't really define itself that way. Somehow, whether through Lash's actions or through Harry being Starborn, perhaps a bit of both, his mind was insulated from direct infiltration by Nemesis... but the portion of his brain where Lash resided was not. And now it wants out of his skull. If it can't control him, it wants independent existence.

My guess is Molly will have to "remove" this portion of his mind with neuromancy, because while it's separate to him, it's still encapsulated by his mind and insulated by his thoughts.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Panorama's guess of Harry purposely attracting Hades' ire seems right on the money to me. Otherwise he might have Cerberus snap someone's head off. Maybe both. But he'll be super sneaky and use his environment, for sure.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

We may not find out in Skin Game, but a wild ass guess is that the British Accented Prisoner is either Arthur or Merlin. Arthur was supposedly taken to the Isle of Avalon, where his wounds were to be healed and he would one day return (the Once and Future King). Merlin was supposedly imprisoned by the lady of the lake, trapped in walls of air that appeared like a tower to him.

Arthur, if he ever returned, would be a kick ass wielder of Amoracchius in the BAT. Conversely, Merlin's act of sacrifice might be what holds the prison of demonreach together in perfect multi-temporal/dimensional harmony... because it hasn't lost any power after thousands upon thousands of years. No matter how much juice you can sling around, that's a helluva feat.


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

Dresden will most definitely be imprisoning at least one nasty under Demonreach. My bet is on Shagnasty but there's no question that at some point on the island, him and Albert will kick some serious ass.

Molly will be...scary. While there's no question she's better equipped to handle power now than she ever was in the past, she still has self control and impulse issues. Now that she has a ton of power and no real need to show much in the way of contstraint... well. After going through Mab and Lea's school of hard knocks and being a grade A mind bender, no one will want to mess with her.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on October 02, 2013, 05:47:54 AM
Sorry guys--I wasn't trying to shout.  Just wanted to distinguish between questions and answers.  Am unfamiliar with this system--didn't realize the quotes would automatically come back in bold once posted, until I did.

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Two possibilities: Pandora's Box (to bring about Armageddon), the Golden Fleece (for its restorative powers).

I admit to considering additional possibilities after seeing others' posts on this thread, but PB and/or GF remain the most likely choices:

Having said that, Nicodemus may be after a "who" rather than a "what".  Hmmm--what if Harry actually killed Nicodemus and Anduriel is currently the only inhabitant of Nick's body? Nick's soul would be in hell and he'd certainly want his body back.  Anduriel would agree because they've always worked so well together, and could have granted a “special favor” by keeping Nick’s body alive, kinda like Mab and Demonreach did for Harry.  "Symmetry".

In fact, it might be a prearranged deal between Anduriel and Nick in case the latter ever got wacked.  And the favor Mab owed was apparently to Anduriel.

Many other possible "who's"--Harry, Molly, Sanya (who once had possessed a coin), just to name three.  And that's only considering the "who's" that Nicodemus wants.  Nick's mention of a "vault" could be misdirection.

Then again it could not.  If in fact one of the coins has been placed in Hades' vault, I can see Nicodemus making it a priority to go after it.  I have crossed this out because I have disagreed with myself.  Nick's Hades heist is after much bigger game.

Annd...another thought has just occurred to me.  I addition to whatever Nicodemus is scheming to get in Hades, he may have invited Harry along to help him flush out the traitor in the Denarians' ranks.

And another--Nicodemus may be wrangling for another shot at the Swords.  As so many have pointed out, no one motive attributable to Nicodemus necessarily excludes others: "not either/or, both--and more."

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I believe the former.  Part of the motivation is revenge.  That's all I can come up with so far (see also my possible "answers" to question 1).

I see Mab as seeing, and seizing, an opportunity when Nick called in his favor.  The difference between this and "twisting" Nick's request is arguably a difference of degree rather than kind.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

I've never seen "Ocean's Eleven".  But from what little of SG has been revealed so far sounds more like "The Usual Suspects" to me.  Like Harry, they were "conscripted" and pretty much didn't have a clue...

Possible recruits: Lasciel (if she's found a host).  Deidra and her mom (mantis-girl).  Will add more as they occur to me.  In any event I believe Nick's crew will consist entirely of Denarians.  Don't see him pulling allies from anywhere else.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?

Molly Carpenter.

Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?


Michael Carpenter, probably with Sanya.  Maybe with Murphy aiding or acting as Michael's proxy.  And someone mentioned the possibility of Daniel Carpenter's involvement.  I agree this is very likely.  He's idealistic and impetuous.

Pretty sure the Swords will have to come into play here--and that means Michael, retired or not, directly or not.  His children have been drawn further into Harry's battles since "Ghost Story" (since "Proven Guilty" as far as Molly's concerned).

Poor Michael--as much as Harry gets beaten up, until "Changes" he (Harry) was relatively immune to the terror that a threat to one's chldren engenders.  For Michael it's been there since Molly's birth.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

See above.  If Harry asks for the new Winter Lady's help (she is after all good with veils, which would come in real handy in a heist), her dad will be dead-set against it on spiritual grounds.  I can see this putting a real strain on Harry's and Michael's friendship (to say the least).

Another reason for Harry to choose Molly is as insurance against his head exploding, in case Mab finds some way to weasel out of curing the parasite in his cranium--such as if Harry were to place himself in the way of Mab fulfilling her goals vis-a-vis the Hades heist.

Molly could, and would, cure him.  For some reason I have a hunch that, if this happens, part of the cure will involve a ritual best described as a Harry-and-Molly humpty-dance.

Harry, Michael and Charity haven't even had time for (or perhaps have been subconsciously avoiding) thrashing out Molly's "appointment" as the next Winter Lady.  The issues involving Harry, Michael and Molly have got to come into play in SG.  I see no way around it.

Particularly if Michael equates Hades with the Abrahimic religions' version of hell (gehenna).  Some hints that they're not the same in the "Dresden-verse".  Not absolutely necessary, however, Michael would still oppose his daughter's participation in anything having to do with the "Nickle-odious" bunch, especially if it will result in Nick getting something he wants (which is never good).

Another possibility is that Karrin Murphy will take up the sword again.  She's a good Catholic girl...

Baron Marcone has got to be in there somewhere as well--otherwise why reference a "gangster flick"?  If so, most likely he'll come in against the Denarians. They weren't too nice to him, and he's unlikely to forgive and forget.  And of course he’ll have his own agenda as well…

SG has room for multiple levels of betrayal here...

Hmmm...have had another thought concerning Baron Marcone: he repents and takes up a Sword.  His criminal past does not preclude this any more than Sanya's did.  In short, Marcone listens to the long-suppressed voice of his conscience and throws his empire away--probably after gaining insight into what it would REALLY mean to be a "Lord of the Underworld" (as is his initial goal according to my and others' guesses).

If this happens, I think Baron Marcone will be killed in action, probably by the Minotaur, maybe by Nicodemus.  His dying wish will be to use the Fleece to heal the Beckett girl, and he'll lay this obligation on Harry, whose sympathy and sense of right-and-wrong will force him to try and carry out Marcone's bequest, which places him at cross-purposes with Mab.  WooHoo!

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Both—Mab wants access to what Nicodemus plans to steal for her own purposes.  If the Golden Fleece is the object, she may be scheming to restore her daughter to the living by way of the Fleece, and get Harry to bring her out of Hades as Orpheus tried to do with Eurydice.

Various faith-traditions (including my own) indicate there is a “purification” aspect of hell, i.e. that some souls will not remain there permanently.  I mention this because it may be part of that “complex set of reasons” for which Mab ordered Harry to kill Maeve.

She was infected by the outsiders to where she could lie and be insane(er).  If a stint in Hades could purify her of the infection, Mab would want her back for several reasons, both sentimental and strategic.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Everyone says Lasciel and/or “Lash”.  I have no better guess.  I doubt the latter, but considering the deviousness of a millennia-old fallen angel, it certainly can’t be ruled out.

Another point that occurs to me--Mab has deliberately maneuvered Harry into isolation by using the threat of the parasite, and by keeping Molly from him to prevent her from curing him.  Clearly to extort Harry into working with the Denarians.  This more and more points to Mab setting Harry up (H: "I'm only human."  M: "For now".)

Of course this doesn't preclude Nicodemus from double-crossing Harry, or Mab.  Mab has already declared her intent to sabotage Nicodemus (which helped her bring Harry around to cooperating).

Throw in Marcone for additional double-crosses against Mab, the Denarians, or against Harry, Michael and their loved ones.  Only difference will be that Marcone's double-cross against the good guys probably wouldn't be as vicious as would those of the other factions. 

And considering her background as being on staff with a major pagan pantheon, Gard will almost certainly be Marcone's backup, with Odin's/Vadderung's/Santa's approval.  I concur w/OP's prediction that the Baron's goal may be to depose Hades and take his place, but I think there will be downsides to doing so that will stop him short of his goal (by his own choice).

If other parts of my predictions concerning Mab and the Golden Fleece are accurate, Marcone's betrayal of Mab most likely will be to steal it to heal the Beckitt girl.  I am continuously amazed at the potentials for double-cross here!

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that
there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?


If Mab is trying to resurrect her daughter, I can see Nicodemus double-crossing her and causing the “rescue operation” to fail.  Result: war between two powerful members of the Unseelie Accords (to be continued!)

If Mab is trying to resurrect her daughter, she sees the problem that only one can wear the “Winter Lady’s” mantle.  She might try to work it so Molley has to take Maeve’s place in Hades, thus double-crossing her Knight.

If that happens, huge goo-gobs of nitrogenous waste will truly hit the fan, with Harry, Molly, Michael, Sanya and probably Murphy on one side and Mab on the other.  On which side the Nickleheads would fight would probably depend on whose victory most served their purposes (but they wouldn’t be shy about stabbing erstwhile allies in the back anyway).  I can see this getting tied into all KINDS of knots for Harry…

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1.  Harry will confront Cerberus, maybe with Mouse alongside—if so, big-time fight scene between Mouse and Cerberus.

2. In the scenario of Harry and Michael fighting Mab for Molly’s sake, Hades will come in on Harry’s side to thwart the attempted heist and/or recover his property.  Marcone will come in on Harry's side to steal it.

3. Hades is a “god”.  This, and probably whatever mess Nicodemus is planning on stirring up, may end up getting Uriel into the fight (and/or Vadderung).  In fact, this may be essential if Harry goes toe-to-toe with Mab.  Without their aid in such a situation Harry's a parapalegic again.

Comment: Personally, I would prefer the Angel Michael (upon him be Peace) for this.  He’s the angel actually in charge of hell according to the Qur’an.  There is a tradition that he stopped smiling the day hell was created, and hasn’t smiled since.

Archangel Michael (upon him be Peace) is no one to mess with.  One of the more daunting verses in the Qur’an challenges the idolaters who were persecuting the first Muslims to call on their allies and supporters “…and We" (God) "will call forth the Angels of hell…”

No thanks.  Don’t wanna be anywhere near that.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
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Gonna stick with the idea that this heist will involve Molly, Michael and probably Sanya.  Somebody’s not coming home.  No matter who, it will be devastating and the survivors will probably blame Harry, but only a fraction as much as he will blame himself.

Only way I can see this scenario working out any better is if Harry concludes the only way to set things right is to return to Hades and free whoever was left behind.  If he has to defy Mab to do it, the cost to himself will be incalculable.  But I think that will be the plot for the book after Skin Games.

Continuing with the above thought--if Molly ends up being trapped in Hades, what might be the quickest way to getting her out?  Wax Mab.  With the mantels of BOTH the Winter Queen and the Winter Lady Hades probably couldn't hold her.  Of course she'd probably be completely insane.

Aha--another "free-form" prediction (I'm sure most readers have concluded that all of mine qualify as that):

I think that there will be a "comic-relief" incident in which someone who eminently deserves it gets dunked head-first in one of those pits of flaming excrement that are said to be scattered around Hades.  I nominate Thorned Namshiel if he's part of Nick's team.  Then the rest of the Nickleheads will keep demanding he stand downwind or something...

Doubtless others have thought of this, but can't pull a heist in the Labyrinth of Daedalus without running into the Minotaur.  It'll have Hades' back.  I think it'll face off against a Knight of the Cross, and badly wound or kill him (her?).  Another use for the Fleece, if that's the object?

MaSalaam,

Bilal

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Shecky on October 02, 2013, 12:58:33 PM
(Clerical aside: Would you mind not posting in all caps? Internet-speak sees that as shouting. If you're trying to differentiate text, there's always the italics option. Thanks! :) )
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Post by: Priscellie on October 02, 2013, 03:40:11 PM
(I would discourage the all-italics option.  Many associate it with "pointed, sarcastic, or otherwise emphasized."  Using the bold option on the questions and keeping your answers normal is clear enough.  Thank you!)
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Serack on October 02, 2013, 03:49:09 PM
*blink blink*

What they said.  And thanks for participating!  The more participation there is for this, the more fun for everyone involved!
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on October 02, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
...and if any of the above three posters would like to add a set of predictions to their posts, that would also be welcome...   ;D
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Priscellie on October 02, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
...and if any of the above three posters would like to add a set of predictions to their posts, that would also be welcome...   ;D

I predict that the book will end in ponies and ice cream for everyone.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Mbresle on October 06, 2013, 10:36:57 PM
I just want to point out one thing I'm recalling from the MisCon reading: It's not Nicodemus to whom Mab owes the favor and is loaning Harry, but rather to Anduriel.  Shouldn't one of the questions (if not THE question) be what does Anduriel and/or the group of The Fallen (as opposed to Nicodemus and the rest of the servitors or whatever-Mab-calls-him) need from Hades vault?
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Post by: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on October 07, 2013, 07:01:15 AM
I just want to point out one thing I'm recalling from the MisCon reading: It's not Nicodemus to whom Mab owes the favor and is loaning Harry, but rather to Anduriel.  Shouldn't one of the questions (if not THE question) be what does Anduriel and/or the group of The Fallen (as opposed to Nicodemus and the rest of the servitors or whatever-Mab-calls-him) need from Hades vault?

This might support one of the possible scenarios I mention above when I took my swing at the "predictathon":  when Harry strangled Nicky, he really DID kill him and Nicodemus' soul went to hell.  Anduriel wants it back--he's now the sole inhabitant of Nick's body.  Possibly his effort to get Nick's soul back is because of a bargain between himself (Anduriel) and Nick.
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Post by: TheCuriousFan on October 07, 2013, 07:32:05 AM
This might support one of the possible scenarios I mention above when I took my swing at the "predictathon":  when Harry strangled Nicky, he really DID kill him and Nicodemus' soul went to hell.  Anduriel wants it back--he's now the sole inhabitant of Nick's body.  Possibly his effort to get Nick's soul back is because of a bargain between himself (Anduriel) and Nick.

We see Nicodemus in the four chapters Jim read, he's still in his body though he does seem to have aged a bit from the experience.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on October 07, 2013, 09:07:16 AM
We see Nicodemus in the four chapters Jim read, he's still in his body though he does seem to have aged a bit from the experience.

We saw Nicodemus' body in the four chapters Jim read.  The spirit inside could be Anduriel's.  And recall that Mab and Demonreach kept Harry's body alive while he was running around irritating folks in GS, so is possible.

Having said that, wasn't my most favored of possible scenarios I put fowrad in my "predictathon" entry.  I like the one involving the Golden Fleece much better because the potential for double-crosses between all the potential players is much greater.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on October 07, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
We saw Nicodemus' body in the four chapters Jim read.  The spirit inside could be Anduriel's.  And recall that Mab and Demonreach kept Harry's body alive while he was running around irritating folks in GS, so is possible.

Having said that, wasn't my most favored of possible scenarios I put fowrad in my "predictathon" entry.  I like the one involving the Golden Fleece much better because the potential for double-crosses between all the potential players is much greater.

Mab addressed Nicodemus and Anduriel separately in the scene where they first talk, would she do that if Anduriel was the only one in the body?
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Post by: raidem on October 07, 2013, 02:05:36 PM
The fallen angels get to excercise more power by allowing the mortals they have more choice.  We know that Anduriel is the ring leader and that he likes to share power with his mortal hosts.  This, along with above post, suggests that indeed Nicodemus and Anduriel are both present.

Sorry, I didn't realize this was the prediction thread until after your comment.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on October 07, 2013, 03:03:07 PM
I realize I am guilty of this as well, but let's please reserve this thread for the actual predictions and put debates in separate threads.


Thanks in advance,
knnn
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: big_john127 on October 14, 2013, 11:59:42 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

A ball of twine that would allow him to go anywhere, for example the pit, and come back out again.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Specific plan.  He requested the favor from Mab banking that she would send Dresden.  He needs soulfire for something.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Marcone, a member of Tessa's crew, Elaine bearing Lasciel.  Poorly.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Murph, Sanya, and Mordred, freed from Demonreach and bearing Ammorachius

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

She is sending Harry to recover Mother Winter's walking stick.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash.  Placed into the bolt hole that harry has been making for bob.  Bob gets a girlfriend.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

High speed xanatos chess.  Mab wins.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

The prisoner is Mordred.
Lash is the parasite.


10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 

Hades: Who the hell is this?
Dresden: The man who's robbing you!
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Smithdj36 on October 16, 2013, 02:03:45 AM
1.  We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
  a.    Cronus’s Scythe in most circles this Scythe was used to dismember Uranus and it is speculated in some cases it helped him to control time.
  b.   Hades’ Helm of Darkness the helm grants the user the gift of absolute invisibility as well in some other myths the ability to resurrect one of the dead.
  c.   I don’t think that it is Pandora’s Box because all that was left in there was hope iirc. However, Nic could “release hope” and damage it as a force for good.

2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
  a.   I think that Nic’s request was for help from winter specifically maybe to deal with the Phlegethon (the river of fire) or one of the other 4 rivers in the underworld.

3.  Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
  a.   I am thinking maybe a “lesser” dragon (one not Ferrovax)
  b.   Mavra or maybe one ere (vampire in BR)
  c.   Last guess maybe one of the Fomor.

4.  Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (Edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack
  a.   The one that Harry will take with him will be Thomas but the rest of team Dresden will be fallowing and lying in wait for the request to be fulfilled to ambush the group

5.  This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
  a.   I think that Sanya will be there and Fidelacchius welded by Murphy.

6.   Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
  a.   Perhaps she partially still blames him for the attack on Arctis Tor by Namshiel or it could be that she just doesn’t want Nic to gain more power.

7.   At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
  a.   I think it is a spiritual creature summoned into his head by the Black Council and molly will remove it from his  mind and Harry will imprisoned it on Demonreach.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
  a.   Harry will manage to imprison one of Nic’s accomplices in Hades’ vault and someone will bring a fake of the thing that they are stealing and skip off with it.

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Fangz on October 20, 2013, 01:12:25 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

It's probably actually a trick: he's trying to entrap Harry, to get an edge on Mab, and perhaps the keys to Demonreach. But to be convincing to Harry, he'd probably say something dramatic, like, oh, the soul of Judas Iscariot, or something.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

He knew Dresden would be sent. He needs Dresden to diiiiieeeee...

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Gang of newcomer mortals who have no idea what they are getting into (probably toting coins, but not yet full denarians), to weaken and distract Harry. Shagnasty the skinwalker in disguise?

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.

We already know Murphy is in it. Molly and Sanya will probably get involved.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya, Michael out for one last job.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab owes Nic one, and Mab always answer her debts. Probably that simple, really. Mab distrusts Nic and suspects Nemesis infection, so sending Harry is one way to be sure - and to deal with it, if necessary. Mab also has possibly made a promise to the parasite to protect it, so maybe this is a way to get around this deal by some kind of quantum faeconomics.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Molly eats it.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Shagnasty reappears and has his own agenda. Demonreach suffers a partial prison break. Something very nasty is released. Molly will have to accept her power to prevent total destruction.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

MacAnally is Merlin.
Karrin Murphy is infected with Nemesis.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

*Why* Mab owes Nicodemus one will be a big deal in the book.
We might get some hints about why Mab and Titania had their falling out.
Nicodemus will die a heroic death.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: NotSoBoredReader on November 05, 2013, 04:25:21 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Well first off he is trying to get his hands on a christian artifact, because that seems to be where the denarians get their power from and where they are able to cause the most corruption. Main example being the shroud. Most likely he is after the holy grail because it would make a powerful focus in a spell if it contained the blood on an innocent. That and it probably has loads of other useful possibilities.

Nick is after a certain item, but once he gets into the vault hes going to grab everything that's not nailed to the floor.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
He has a specific plan for harry which he is vital for, most likely it involves harry using soulfire. He has a secondary plan for when harry has outlived his usefulness. He doesn't directly try to kill harry, but puts him in a situation in which he will most likely perish. He has to do it this way because otherwise he cant kill harry without incurring Mabs wrath. Nick wants harry dead hes become far to much trouble to let live.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
-Mavra - amused and condescending
-The skin walker from turn coat - openly aggressive and will mention feasting upon him at last once.
- other denarians - like denarians so crazy
-eldest gruff - warm and friendly
-fix -more openly hostile than everyone else
I don't believe there will be many to the team, mainly because this is a heist not an invasion.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 

I would like to say it is Kincaid because he proved in turn coat that he can take out denarians more easily than Harry can. Also if we want to get technical about it, he still owe harry a solid, because he didn't successfully kill the winter knight. If harry has to fight his way out of a group of denarians Kincaid would be the person to have at his back. Also I think there is some early references to him being like part demon or something so that would help in the underworld.


5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya will turn up and die, but before he dies he will fight beside an angel and gain faith which will make him more powerful and let him go out in a blaze of glory. also the angel will reefer to his as the troublesome child.
Murphy will turn up but when she goes to try weld the sword it will burn her. The sword will burn her because she has changed she isnt the fundamentally good person she used to be. shown by her attempt to take violent action against the kids in Ghost story. The knights job is to save the denarians not to kill them. Murphy is all about the killing these days.
Michael comes along and picks up the sword Murphy drops, but doesnt draw it. Michael shows on multiple occasions that his faith is his greatest power. He is simply going to pray and evil will flee before him. I believe he is capable of this because in turn coat he removes the mental block (MAB) puts in place with prayer. Also by not actually drawing the sword he doesn't come out of retirement so he still has the extra protection from the supernatural.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab owes uriel a favor so she is helping Nick to to settle her debt with him she is double crossing him to settle her debt with uriel and she is getting the item for herself because that's just what mab does.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
The headaches are cause by lash who is infected by the outsiders. All of the denarians angels are infected that's why they fell from grace in the first place. unlike weaker beings, they still retain most of their self control except lash was injured and the outsider took over. So now harry has an outside crontrolled lash in his head. This is also why lash changed, not because harry gave her a name but because she was infected with an outsider and that allowed her to change and go against her purpose.

To fix the problem Harry will pick up the coin allowing the shadow of lash to be fully restored, then maybe molly or someone gets her out.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Murphy will die because I don't like Murphy which I know will upset loads of people. The entire heist is just a diversion to keep harry occupied while he does something in Chicago. Harry will realize hes been trick actually steal the item which was his wild goose chase and use it against nick. 


9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Little Harry is Arthur reborn and Maggie is his Merlin. Little Harry and Maggie both have magic which will be proven by them having mental conversations like harry used to when he was younger. both Little Harry and Maggie will wield swords and they will be the greatest knights ever. but you will only find out they have magic this book.

Murphy is infected with an outsider and has been for awhile. I believe this because Murphy is all about justice and the right thing except she sleeps with kincaid a rather likable but evil dude. This show a conflict of character, and her threatening to take out the kids in GS and her not trusting Harry and her constant abuse of pills and booze and the fact that her mind has been messed with quite a few times.

Harry has gained the ability to talk to ghost since he was one in ghost story.
   

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

Harry will sing johnny cash
" I fell in to a burning ring of fire"

After leaving Mab and talking to Nick harry will go to burger king cause he hasn't been in a year. He will most likely quote tony stark at this stage. "there are two things i want to do" blah blah blah and an american cheese burger.

I think you will get to see some more of the faces of Mab and santa and oden. meaning the greek gods will turn out to be them in another form 

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: NickelobLight on November 09, 2013, 10:52:05 AM
1. Gabriel's trumpet. Nic is going to try to bring about the apocalypse as directly as possible.
2. To get Harry to release a specific prisoner. Maybe a Titan.
3. Denarians, a rakoshi, (Hindu mythology, they were mentioned in GS).
4. Either Elaine or Ebeneezer. It'll be someone out of left field, (like how the first person to see Harry alive was someone almost nobody expected, Andi).
5. Nothing tricky. It'll be Sanya, who saves Harry somehow. Daniel shows up with a sword too, & do something stupid.
6. Simple. She wants to get some getback for Arctis Tor.
7. Well, I think the obvious answer is that the parasite is responsible for the headaches. It'll be dealt with somehow out of left field. Maybe, since it's in Harry's brain, it needs intellect. It'll get transferred over to Bob somehow, who can handle it since he has so much more intellect, (he's in fact, nothing but intellect), that the parasite can feed off of him for eternity.
8. Harry will stay behind in the labyrinth in order to save someone.
9. WAG-we'll learn that Lea is directly related to Harry.
10. One sword will get unmade. My guess is the sword of faith. Daniel will do something stupid with it.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: raidem on November 10, 2013, 08:44:57 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Holy Grail (Chalice) and/or Denarian coins;
Location amended for updated hint: We now have a hint that prior to entering the NeverNevers highest security vault Nicodemus and friends must first break into Chicago's most secure vault.  I guess that it is the Federal Reserve Building in Chicago.  This would be the bank which Marcone utilizes to secure his belongings.  One must wonder what does he keep there.  Perhaps one item is Thorned Namshiel denarian aka Spiny Boy's coin.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Nicodemus either needs access to power from Winter and/or Soulfire in the attempt to break into the vault.  He may also need access to Demonreach island to access the underworld.  Nic hopes that Harry will kill some team members that have a Nemesis connection.  With Harry's brush with death, he is now a fulcrum for the underworld in addition to the Living.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry? Naagloshii, Shapeshifter, Denarians, Churchmice, BC Vampire.  Some will attempt to kill Harry.  One may assist him.  Most of the murder attempts will be in passing, trying to get Harry killed by protections on the vault, etc.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack
Well, we already know Harry is choosing Murphy.  I think Molly, Sarissa, Fix, Thomas, Mouse will assist Harry near the end.  Maybe we will even see Cat Sith again.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya, Murphy, Daniel.  Team Heaven will win one with one of the Knights convincing a Host to give up their coin. 

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Strike at Nicodemus for violating the Accords in Small Favor.  Assist Anduriel in getting rid of Nicodemus and/or obtaining another Host.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
A combination of primarily Lash but she is tainted with Outsider infection when she took the bullet for Harry.  Harry's continued use of Soulfire is empowering the Lash essence, helping it grow but also getting it to cause more harmful headaches et cetera.  She will find a home in a certain Nickle Harry finds placed somewhere in by Odin.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Harry fails.  Molly, Sarissa save the day.  Nicodemus will violate the agreement he made with Mab when she negotiated an explicit truce until such time that the mission is complete.  Mab will pitch in an assist.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
1) Ferro banks at Hades vault.
2) Cerberus likes Harry (senses Mouse)
3) Underworld is using Harry to amputate Nemesis infection

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Merlin wants to carry out Doom on Harry, for Molly's abuse of the Laws.  WC concedes they can't bring Molly to justice but will try with Harry.  Molly and/or Mab might have a problem with that.
Harry promises Michael that he will save Molly from Winter Mantle at some point.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: ellarite on November 21, 2013, 09:29:57 AM

1.  We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

-   He’s after the shroud of turin.  He believes that Marcone has built a new labyrinth in Italy and had the shroud placed in it.
-   He needs it to activate another type of curse plague.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
   
-   He plans to force Harry to play on his team.  That way, he can have some type of control over Harry.  If Harry has to work for Nic, then he is forbidden from working against him.

-   I don’t think that he needs Harry for any specific skill.  He’s going to use Harry as a shield to prevent Harry’s friends from attacking his team.

3.   Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

-   Nic recruited his daughter:  Deidre. (sp)
-   He may also use the Vagassi Family (sp:  I think they had issues with Marcone in the past.)
-   I’m going to throw in Ms. Demeter as well.  (I think that he’ll convince her that her daughter is alive and the shroud would save her.)
-            Lara Raith and the White Court of Vampires (to keep Harry from using Thomas)

4.   Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack-   
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        Harry hired Kincaid as his assistant.  However, Ivy will interfere before the end of the plot.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
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-   Sanya, Murphy and Michael.
-   Michael and Murphy may have trust issues when it comes to Harry.  However, Sanya will convince them that they need to support Harry.


-   6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
-   
-   Mab is using Harry.  She’s going to swoop in later and help save the day, thereby indebting both the white council and the sword weilders (Catholic church) to her for later use when she needs it.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?-   
-   I think that it’s a shadow of Lash that’s causing the headaches.  I think that Harry will get stabbed by one of the swords which would release (kill) her shadow and clear his head.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
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-   The triple cross would be performed by Mab herself.  Once Nic obtains the shroud and tries to kill Harry (Winter Knight) Mab would see it as an act of war.  She would then send in the Sidhe Army to help neutralize Nic.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.-   
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              1)  Charity Carpenter will help Nic because she wants Harry dead for what happened to Molly.  She will act out of vengeance and pain.  Nic will make her believe that he can kill Harry and return Molly home.
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-   2)  Uriel will appear with a group of angels to help defeat Nic and his crew.
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-   3)  The whole heist is a red – herring.  The real mission of Nic is to trap Marcone and take over his business as revenge for denying him access to the shroud in the first place.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

1)    Harry will make a comment about going down a rabbit hole.
2)   Harry will tell Hades that he’s “taller than he is on tv.”
3)   Harry will turn to Deidre and say, “love the hair.”

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Raptor on November 23, 2013, 06:24:20 PM
Without reading the previous 6 pages ('cuz who has time for that!?)

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I'm going to go with Pandora's Box. As of now, the only Sword with a wielder is Esperacchius (The Sword of Hope). Inside of Pandora's Box is Elpis, the spirit of Hope. I'm pretty sure that Nick would like to take one of the swords out of play permanently, and capturing/destroying the spirit of Hope, might do that for The Sword of Hope.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


I'll agree, I think that Harry being "Mostly Dead" will be necessary to go down below. But, it could also be that Thorned Namshiel is out of play (or playing for The Other team) and they need somebody who can work forces, and Harry fits the bill.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Well, we know the remaining Church Mouse will be involved. I think I might go out on a limb and say that she's the new bearer of Lasciel's coin.


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question. 

Okay, so we know who Harry's backup is... But there's going to be swerves. I was really hoping Ivy would turn up in this book. Not only because The Archive has roots going back to the Classical Period, but also because she and Kincaid have a big honkin' score to settle with Nick... Which could threaten The Archive's neutrality and seriously unbalance things. Which would be fun.

As for additional help, we'll see Mouse, and I REALLY want to see him and Cerberus (either with a hilarious 4-headed "doggy hello" or an epic throw-down).


5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Not sure. We've heard that Michael is coming off the bench. I don't think he takes the sword back up though. I'll go out on another limb and say that Thomas takes up a Sword. My instinct here is that it will be Hope (given that Thomas has used sabers in the past, and his character seems to embody hope and has fought despair) which is depressing because I really like Sanya.


6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab's schemes have schemes. Thwarting is probably an end, but also I have a feeling that whatever Nick is after would upset the balance enough that she can't allow him to get away with it. Also, there's revenge for the attack on Arctis Tor. She's probably counting on Harry's distrust of Nick, and his skills as an investigator to root out whoever the traitor/attacker is, and deliver frosty vengeance.

Not to mention its a further test/training for Harry. He's going to have to work with people he'd rather kill, and possibly kill people he'd rather work with. That works to Mab's ends

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

I'm going to go with my theory of The Parasite is causing the headaches. The Parasite is Lash, and Molly performs an emergency Lash-ectomy. From there, Lash gets a new home in "Persephone" (Helen Beckit's daughter). Lash comes out and turns the tide against Nick, throwing down with Lasciel's new wielder in an epic cat-fight.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Welp, I'm going to guess that Nick is going to try to set Harry/Mab up as patsies for the robbery. Also, like I said above, I think that Lasciel is going to reappear in this book with a backstab of Harry. Also, in a fun turn of fate, I think Nick is going to go back to the well and offer Daniel a coin as one final dig at Michael/Molly/Harry... And he's going to take it after Murph/Michael/Harry refuse to let him take up Amorracchius.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Kael Tucker on November 24, 2013, 07:26:50 AM
1.   We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
    It was originally a prison for the Minatore, slain by Theseus... perhaps, the search is for the remains of the beast... or there is some token or object Hidden by  Poseidon and is still protected by a modern version of the beast. No matter what, what ever they are trying to get their hands on, it is sure to have some type of power, either something that has an apocalyptic tone... or perhaps in the center will be the only tree that still grows Ambrosia ( one bite turns you into cures any disease, two makes you immortal, three or more makes you a greek god )

2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
  Nic is one of a few enemies of Harry’s that respect him. Overall, they are going to be moving through a giant maze with puzzles and traps. Harry is fast on his feet, good detective, and can punch holes in walls if nessacerry…. I would want him there… but you know Nic,  he will probably have two other reasons other than that.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

3.   Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

Well, Harry doesn’t know any greek gods, but considering the company he is keeping I would hope that he wouldn’t choose any “plain folk” like Murphy.  If I were a betting man, it would be one of three.
Billy (will)- not my top pick, but mouse is watching Little Maggie and I can’t see Harry pulling him away from that. But Life is always easier when you have a wolf.

Thomas- supernaturally strong and loyal. Fought against the denarians before, could do a whole lot worse.
Last on my list but my No.1 draft pick… Sasha. When Surrounded by demons, good to have your own guardian angel.

Mr. Butcher will probably throw us a curve ball and do something wacky like have him borrow Bob and have him in ride along mode.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
  Being the only Knight still in action, it is a givin that Sasha will be popping in, I also believe that one of the other swords will be put into play… I believe that Murphy will be convinced to carry Shiro’s blade full time… It will either be Uriel, Sasha or circumstance that convinces her, but I think her sense of purpose will be made clearer to herself.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
  I believe that the reason will be directly connected to the attack on  Arctis Tor that Harry stumbled on in “proven Guilty”.  During the battle preceeding Harry’s attack, I believe, Nic took something that belonged to queen Mab… something she is willing to trade for to get back.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
After going back through the series, the one weakness we share with Harry is that when he has the mind “whammy” put on him, we are blinded as well. We can only see it when he remembers, or discovers it himself.  The only thing we can do is work through the clues we are givin, and work through it.  Here is my suspect list… these are the only entities we know who have the ability to live in his head.
Margret – Harry’s mom is the least likely candidate, but a shadow version of her lives in his head, and has since birth. I would hope that after the Soul gaze that Harry and Thomas shared she would have gone away having served her purpose… but I think the shadow of Margret interacted with him once before ( the Lake House in “storm front” ) which means her shadow had more than One purpose in his head… pray it was benine.
The adversary – Middle of the road with this one… Mr. N could have infected Harry, but it would have to have been before “Cold Days” and though Harry is supposed to have power over the outsiders later, still not sure how or why he is going to get it… could be a by-product of being infected and fighting it off.
Lash-Lasciel – No1. Contender… Hands down. Lets start with what we know about their life together.  Harry had headaches for years, but they did not start really hitting him until he received the coin, and they kept getting stronger, even after she “fell on the sword” in the wraith deeps.  Lash tried to convince him to pick up the coin for years, and she knew that he would never willingly take up the coin.  I believe one of two things happened at the end of “white knight”
A)   Lash was acting in earnest at the end of the book, took he metaphysical bullet for Harry and MOST of her presence died when Harry’s brain overloaded in the deeps. I think that a lot of us (yes, I am including myself) forgot that she was more of a spiritual being. At the end of the book, Harry could still play Spanish guitar, which points to the fact that something must have been left in. Also you have to take in Harry’s healing ability. In the normal Human brain, when brain cells die they are completely gone forever… but as our favorite medical examiner likes to point out, Harry is not normal. If his brain can repair the portions that lash was living in, it stands to reason she may be able to rebuild herself using the strands of what was left. Growing in Harry’s mind until she is strong enough to take over.
B)   Her death was a sham, She was never in any real danger. She knew she was losing the battle for Harry’s soul, and she did not want to keep letting him use her like another Bob.  So she uses the  situation to her advantage. ALL of Harry’s information about “ brain damage” and her “death” comes from her at the end… She allows him to draw his own conclusion, and she hides deeper inside of him. Only giving him subliminal seeds of doubts and constant migranes, until an opportunity presents itself either to nudge him to the coin, or make him pay for rejecting her.
Hence the “female shadow” evident in “ghost story”,  She was punishing him by convincing him to commit suicide by hitman.

Either way, she was not expecting Mab to rescue him, and when she was discovered by the winter queen and demonreach she was put in an awkward situation and used her part in keeping Harry alive as a lever to keep them silent.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?  No clue, ask bob.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Jcarlson171 on November 25, 2013, 04:03:18 AM
1.   We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
     Since Nick is always after apocalyptic chaos I'll say either pandora's box or because he's scared of harry telling people how to kill him a new imortality item similar to the noose he has which hes hoping one will protect him from the others weakness


2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Both. he wanted Harry but asked for something else so that Mab would think she was getting a better deal by making Harry do it. As for what he will admit to needing Harry's ability to find people he will need someone to get him into the maze who has gone into hiding and has a way of preventing the denarians from finding them. he wants Harry's wizard senses and battle skill he may even be counting on Harry bringing molly for delicate magic since his crew seems to be short one wizard type person now.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
No clue maybe Bianca maybe ferrovax

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.
Interferrance will come in the form of Ivy who is still pissed at Nick and company and Kincaid will try to finish his contract since he owed Harry a favor and all

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Since when has Mab ever come into a story with something simple? look at what shes already done just to get Harry to do the job. My guess is that along with whatever Nick is looking for there are a few tools that can kill immortals sitting in the vault. Considering shes tried to kill bob for knowing A way to kill immortals it really pisses her off that she has to help nick possibly come into possesion of a few.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Mother Winter uses an unravelling on whatever item nick is after therefore rendering in valueless and ending winters obligation in the heist since the agreement was that Mab would help nick get steal whatever it is for its power

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.-
1) Ebenezar will end up using the blackstaff to do something and harry will discover that it is NOT Mother Winters walking stick since it doesnt resonate with winter
2) Murphy is going to pick up a coin which will convince sanya that she is going to follow his path eventually
3) one of the fallen is going to die Mab and Uriel will have a conversation about how well hey played this round. The death of the fallen will involve uriel unloading his power on the earth to finally balance the kidnapping done by the denarians in small favor

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: ged28 on November 25, 2013, 10:40:56 AM
1.   We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
 Something destructive. He wont reveal what it is until they get there. It wont be outright obviously powerful something subtle and overlooked.


2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
He wants Harry because he has been dead. Im sure that would give him advantages in the underworld.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Denarians, Murphy will be Harrys number 2, Fix maybe to keep the summer/winter balance, the hellhound, a vampire maybe mavra.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  Murphy not sure.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

She wants whatever is in the vault and to put one over on nick for the having the cheek to call in the marker like this. Also winter seem to be getting stronger, with the *winter knight* eliminating the red court, this would be a good way to continue this power play with a victory over the denarians.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Betrayal. Murphy uncertain with whats going on takes up the sword betrays harry and takes the item. Or mab betrays Harry after he betrays nick. Or maybe lash comes out at the wrong time and betrays harry to the denarians by incapacitating him at the wrong moment.

Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: johntfs on November 26, 2013, 10:53:04 PM
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1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

It's probably actually a trick: he's trying to entrap Harry, to get an edge on Mab, and perhaps the keys to Demonreach. But to be convincing to Harry, he'd probably say something dramatic, like, oh, the soul of Judas Iscariot, or something.

I'm pretty sure that Nic isn't going to say "the soul of Judas Iscariot" since he already possesses the soul of Judas Iscariot.  Since by all indications he, you know, is Judas Iscariot.
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Post by: Winston Smith on November 26, 2013, 11:33:29 PM
Not related to the particular list of queries, but I hope Hade's isn't portrayed as some evil devil like figure. I mean, to the Ancient Greeks, the evillest god was Ares.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Ineptwizard on November 27, 2013, 07:31:58 PM
1.   We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
The last books have all been about change and rebirth. I think that might be the theme in this one as well. I think therefore that Dionysus/Bacchus/Elestrhrio (spelling) will be involved. Nic is probably after Dionysus's wand which holds a lot of power.
     

2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Harry's resurrection will probably be part of it. Perhaps Nic is looking to trade Harry for the staff? Harry's Wil E Coytesque endurance is probably another reason...

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
The few fellow fallen he trusts, and those who he deem replacable, which certainly include our favourite winter knight/train wreck. He's also bringing Miley Cyrus and her wrecking ball, the guy is after all eeevil..


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
I think that Sasha wil be a part of Harry's crew and that he will be traded against the staff of Dionysus.


6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab Knows that whereever Harry goes, things go boom.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Harry will need to trade Sasha for the staff, but Nic won't get the sword.


9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.-
1. Mister is really the mastermind behind everything.
2. The current Merlin's hatred towards Harry has something to do with unrequited love towards Harry's mother.
3. There will be three new knights.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: NeonOriginal on November 29, 2013, 05:40:36 AM
1. Something to perhaps remove his noose, or render it useless? Maybe what he wants actually isn't in the vault and maybe he wants to put something in the vault... like Harry?
Or maybe he is after knowledge, maybe its something similar to Archives abilities.

2. Harry has always come out on top, barely, in all encounters with every enemy. This is due to his preparation, endurance, and amazing quick thinking. I don't think it is a magical ability Nic is looking for but the ability to asses a situation and find a solution relatively quickly. Or maybe the parasite is the key to opening the vault.

3. He probably recruited fellow Denarians, possibly BlackStaff McCoy.

4. Marcone, this reeks of something Marcone will be good at. I think Marcone will use one of the Swords as he has his own sense of justice and only does evil things to evil people.

5. Marcone will wield one. Murphy another, and Sanya of course.

6. Maybe Nic is grabbing a weapon that will harm the balance between the Outsiders and the Winter court.

7. The popular option seems to be Lach so I will try an ambiguous alternative. In the book it said that Mab struck a deal with The Parasite to keep him alive, wouldn't Lach want that anyway so she could use him, she wouldn't have any fun if he died. I don't think it's the adversary because Harry is apparently going to get killed by this parasite and that doesn't seem to be the adversays MO. So is the parasite feeding off of Harry's powers and possibly trying to ressurect itself from him? In all honesty I hope its a new player, something from within DR that wants out.

8. Many people are going with the Staff of Dionysus, which I don't know about. If it was talked about in the series I completely missed it. I think it is a weapon or device that can be used to unmake a sword. Maybe it is that Mab works behind the scenes to get Nic trapped in the vault or possibly the parasite. This may be done by Lach turning to the good side and helping seal him in.

9. 1. Marcone will be a Knight of the Cross.
2. The Pope is actually in league with Hades and the underworld.
3. Mac is actually the original Merlin from the future, or the past.
4. Micheal doesn't forgive Harry, comes into contact with a coin, and turns into a Denarian.

10. WAG quotes
1. Harry will make a quote about hell freezing over. This is guaranteed.
2. He will make a remark about being to Hell and back.
3. He will sing the burning ring of fire.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: biagiotti on December 05, 2013, 09:59:11 PM
1.  Something to do with the black council. Payback for almost killing him. Why lash failed. Nothing to do with theft. Nic always seems to say he wants to do something but it turns out to have nothing to do with the orignal purpose.

2. Doesn't matter he always lies and soul fire or his ability over demons(outsiders)

3. Shagnasty
Cowl
Evil bob

4. Leah because not only can she withstand temptation but for some reason jim didn't involve her in cold days. A farie book where he saw just about every farie he has ever mentioned including friggin Santa Claus. Possibly molly so he can talk to her or help her.

5. Sanya will show up and die. And someone who they haven't met will take up a sword.

6. Probably repayment for arctis tor.
"Mab always repays her debts"

7. Lash and she will break free of the infection giving her life again for harry.

8. Sanyas ex will give up her coin saving the day.

9. A. Nic dies. B. Nic gives up coin and takes up a sword. C. Maggie Sr will make an appearance revealing something from harrys past.

10. "Go to hell"
"That is incredibly unfair"
Something from spiderman



Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: hassman on December 10, 2013, 02:51:12 AM

1.   We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Cerberus, because Cerberus was the Gatekeeper before Winter took over.  He wants to find out who has been infected
     

2.   Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Harry's aspect of chaos, and also the fact that to Nic he has an Achilles heel.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Mostly red shirt denarians, the churchmouse, his daughter, Marcones new flunkie


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
I think that Sasha wil be a part of Harry's crew.  Marcone and the sword of faith is a possibility.


6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab understands that Cerberus and the Gate are not compatible

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Marcone's flunkie is Lasciel, they end Mab's spell and call Lash.  Lash emerges on Harry's side.   Marcone  sides with Harry and Hades


9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.-
1. The identities of Lash/Lasciel (the headache/Marcones new flunky)
2. Lash is angelic
3. Nicodemus hates Nemesis more than Harry.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Griffyn612 on December 10, 2013, 02:54:39 AM
My bet/hope is that this is the book where we find out that MDwaKotC.

I know haters going to hate, but Make It So!
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: cbmurphy on December 11, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

I am guessing that Nicodemus' target is a person, not a thing.  For a variation on a theme, I think he wishes to obtain a prior Archive.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

I think Mab twisted Nic's request, because I am certain Mab is aware that Harry has had some success twarting Nic in the past, as well as a lot of practice in turning Faerie obligations sideways, a la Gruff Doughnut Delivery.   Harry is her way to honor her obligation in letter and thwart it in spirit.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Kincaid, because Nic's an ass.
Mavra, we've not seen her in a while.
+ your host of bads we have heard of by reputation or Harry will be introducing to us, either way
I suspect a member of the White Council of wizards, which will make Harry's new status a subject for their attention in the book after Skin Game.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

Leaving this blank, since the answers are apparent'y already out there.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sanya - Edited, had the name as "Sasha" prior
Murphy takes up a sword and keeps it this time
no idea

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Simple thwarting.  The debt to Nic is embarassing and otherwise irksome, and Harry is a perfect riposte.   In a way, it's just more devious than any other subterranean machination Mab could have in mind.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash as a separate, sovereign entity to Lasciel.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Nic's real game has nothing to do with stealing anything from Hades - it is a distraction for causing more uproar in Winter Faerie.  Arctis Tor was test in concept, the real action happens at the Wall.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

Cowl is Judas Iscariot, the original Denarian and Nic's superior.
The Merlin was assassinated off scene by the Black Council, and Eb's been fingered for it and is himself personally on the warpath against whomever did it.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 


Harry belittles some member of the heist by likening them to Sammy Davis Jr. with respect to the Frank Sinatra movie.

Molly has a Galadriel-when-offered-the-ring moment.

Harry references the Great Muppet Caper, "He brought the paper towels!"
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Bwleon7 on December 15, 2013, 11:43:36 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

They are going after Pandora's Box. The box contains the Spirit of Hope named Elpis. Nic wants it in order to destroy Elpis.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

In order to get Elpis out something of nearly equal power has to be put in. I believe Nic is planning to put Harry in so he can get Elpis out and destory her.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

One or two other Denarians maybe an outsider will be present, Summer might send someone, maybe Fix and/or Sarissa.

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack

Micheal though not by Harry's choice. Micheal will originally be there to stop Harry due to him working with Nic. At some point Micheal we understand the stakes and will later redeem himself by taking Elpis' place in Pandora's Box.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

upon return with Elpis, Tessa and other Denarians that Nic had waiting will attack and Sanya, Murphy and a couple others ( Tomas, Molly and/or Lea) that Harry had in waiting will come to Harry's aid. Murphy and some other new person (Justine maybe) will wield swords along with Sanya to help Harry.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Elpis is the spirit of Hope. Upon release she might be able to increase the worlds hope to the point were people are harder to get infected by Nemesis. Or freeing Elpis will please Hephaestus (the one who created Pandora) and he will create weapons and Armor that are effective against Nemesis.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

Lash will return and be pulled out of Harry's head where she has been hiding while trying to form a body for herself. His headaches will be gone once she is no longer in his head and has a body of her own.  She will be an ally to Harry.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

Someone is infected by Nemsis. Likely one of the other Denarians.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
-Lash will return
-Justine will wield a sword
-Micheal will betray Harry then redeem himself.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. Here is my very wild guess


Since we are dealing with Greek mythology, at some point someone is going to ask if Harry is a god. Harry will say yes. When asked why he said yes he will refer to the wisdom of Winston. People will look at him in a confused manner and he will say something along the lines of "Winston.....Winston Zeddemore. Ghostbusters.....oh come on people are you telling me you guys really haven't seen Ghostbusters???"
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Serack on January 11, 2014, 10:34:46 PM
The blurb for SG had some info on #1, and all answers that hit on what the blurb indicates as the target have been recorded before anyone could edit their answer to reflect its contents.

The Predict-a-thon had been locked to allow for this record to be made before anyone could edit their answers and is now unlocked.

Please share more theories about how Mab=Zargolep! -Serack

Oh, and please theories only, save discussion for other topics.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on January 16, 2014, 01:02:50 AM
 I just realized something, there have been all these mentions of an ocean's elven vibe,a crack team of thieves for a heist, but the thing is, they dont simply rob a place by brute force, they do it by stealth, the mark never knows they have been played/robbed till the prize and the team are in the clear.
 According to the blurb,
(click to show/hide)
SO they cant just charge in, they need to get to the vault, with out the alarms going off at all, or at least til they are done. This seems to be tricky as this is the perfect place for some one to back stab the others. Do we think the vaults will be filled with a horde, or possibly a mystical safety deposit box? Can a mystical being like hades be played? He seems the type to declare bloody vengence.
 Also, it is believed murphy will be part of the team as harry's back up, but as an ex-cop and a member of a cop family, she will be really unhappy with being part of a heist crew.
 In the justice league unlimited cartoon, hades was said to have a huge magical library containing all magical secrets. WHile i doubt there is a library in that vault, the good stuff would be hidden in it. A compendium or a secret book of lore.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Maria on February 06, 2014, 07:44:52 AM
The Oceans eleven vibe is rather at odds with a team where everyone is on a different page. I am sure its something from Greek Myth. The golden fleece? Belt of Hyppolyta? I don't know.
I don't think Murphy will be the sidekick. She has been around  to a sickening amount. Besides, how does stealing coincide with upjolding the law? or doesn't she care if it isn't a mortal in Chicago? She has a weird idea of upholding the law anyhow, so who knows. Any cop that frames( granted evil) people for crimes they did not do, puts her boot in a door when the LAW says that talking to cops is strictly voluntary, as is allowing them into your home, files false police reports...so who knows. maybe its her. I HOPE not. I haven't liked her since before PG. PLEASE ANYONE BUT MURPHY.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Orbweaver on February 12, 2014, 07:51:04 AM
Ok. I'll give it a shot.

Personal theory:

1. Nicodemus, shortly before the heist leaves for Hades' vault, will attempt to thwart Harry's attempt at bringing a Knightly +1 with him. This is based on the premise that Harry asked for assistance from ONE person (and the Sword counts as additional assistance that was not agreed on in the terms of the deal with Mab, given that it and the person wielding it are essentially "borrowing" assistance from a third party). We get a new wielder as a result, as Harry's initial +1 is Murphy. The Sword can't be used to aid the Denarians in their schemes, even indirectly, so it won't be going with Harry's +1. This is just a wool-over-the-eyes maneuver, though... not because Nicodemus is concerned about the presence of the sword, but because he's stalling for time (possibly to run the clock out on Harry's parasite).

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

Both. Nicodemus agreed to taking Harry along for the ride far too quickly, and his only objection came when Harry whined about having a +1, causing Mab to make a "symmetry" comment in regards to the initial favor. While it was a slight twist on her part, Nicodemus was intentionally causing further delays to Mab's departure, and most definitely has a plan or two for Dresden up his black sleeves. I expect him to use Harry's new "cold iron" allergy against him at some point, and he's probably banking on some of Dresden's capabilities/powers being unintentionally (or possibly, intentionally) used against the wrong person. Like his +1. 

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

There is a possibility of 11 additional members. In terms of those with the skills, connections and capabilities to crack open a vault, my obvious vote goes to Kincaid. This one's right up his alley, and he's definitely looking for payback for the Shedd Incident, if he hasn't already taken it. A personal theory of mine is that we're going to see another White Council member on the team (and Harry's jaw will hit the floor when he sees who it is). Nicodemus is going to offer Harry a very cold little smile before he introduces them. "Dresden, because we all know you comport yourself with the utmost respect for secrecy and stealth, I've appointed you a babysitter. I suspect you know him as Arthur Langtry."

4. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Well. Sanya's almost a requirement, unless something happened to him between Changes and Cold Days that we aren't aware of. Murphy will have to either pass the Swords she has on to two someones, or take one up herself (which I note she has been heavily reluctant to do, although that could be for any number of reasons.) My WAG: She passes a Sword off to the guy with the best of intentions Jim was speaking about, but that still doesn't enable him to face the demons in Hades' realm.

5. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Mab rather blatantly showed an icy hostility towards Nicodemus, but took an oddly neutral tone towards Anduriel. This suggests to me that she may not, in fact, want Nicodemus killed (because she may suffer retribution from Anduriel at a delicate moment the next time it acquires a host). I think, rather, she pointed Harry at Nicodemus in a violent fashion because she wants Harry along for the ride when Nicodemus discovers the identity of the traitor who attacked Arctis Tor. (I also regard it as a certainty that Nicodemus will live to see book 20, in spite of pissing off Hades... he'll likely dump that responsibility straight onto the team he's created).

6. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

One of them will break the Grail, rendering it useless to the rest of the team. This results in a free-for-all after all the trials and tribulations (and deaths) required just to get to the damned thing. In the ensuing squabble, Nicodemus will vanish with the item he was really after.

(Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

1. Lash has never been anything but a parasite, and reveals herself as such shortly before a solution is found to her 'problem'. Nicodemus and/or Hell are running a long con on Uriel in getting him to think that Harry is capable of manipulating or changing a Denarian's shadow.

2. We discover the literal existence of Amanda Beckitt's soul inside Hades' vault. Marcone is subsequently led to believe that Harry has somehow tampered with its return, which kicks off a war between the crime lord and Harry in book 16.

3. Murphy will be revealed to have had a Denarian shadow influencing her thoughts and actions for some time.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on February 12, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Hey Guys -- please read the following:

I realize a bunch of you have questions you've left unanswered "for future consideration".  I strongly urge you to fill in the blanks now.

There have already been two major sets of spoilers released since the OP, and my fellow curators have had to take steps to ensure those who predicted correctly get credit.

Unless something changes, I plan to lock the thread in the beginning of March, but I claim the right to lock it instantly if I feel things have been compromised.  Get your final answers in while you can.

You have been warned
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: redwizard on February 16, 2014, 02:43:20 AM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?  The blurb for SG had some info on this, and all answers that hit on what the blurb indicates as the target have been recorded before anyone could edit their answer to reflect its contents. -Serack

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use? Nicodemus has a specific plan with expectation of  Mab twisting the request. As far as the plan goes I see him needing most, if not all, of Harry’s abilities, especially Harry’s ability to think on his feet. It wouldn’t  be surprising to find out Nic wants Harry to carry out, or at a minimum plan, the intrusion on the mortal vault. He knows Harry will come up with something inventive with a high probability of success. I also think Nic is counting on Harry brining his allies along as well. It isn’t just Harry he wants, but the people Harry knows and counts on.
3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry? I think we can count on seeing some of the Nicodemus faction of the Nickleheads, as well as a couple of those who aren’t as close to him. Lasciel would be one, possibly with a new bearer. All concerned will be suspicious and waiting for the real party to start. Depending if Lasciel shows up with a new host that aspect would likely be trying for Harry because he would almost be guaranteed to be shocked and try to talk the holder into giving up the coin.

Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?  9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.  (edit:  Sort of)  Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin!  (edit:  And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack     
I’ve mentioned before Nic is counting on all of Harry’s allies. At one point or another we are going to see Thomas, Butters, Andi in a break in (haha see what I did there.) role , possibly the alphas. 
5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will wander in and attach himself to Harry. He won’t be asked, but just be directed that way and Harry will accept his offer of help. Nic won’t like it, but will go along because Harry will insist Sanya is needed, what Harry will not say is only after Nic steals what he is really after and it is time to skin him alive. Murphy will wield Fid., but the sword of love will have a temporary wielder - not I think Michael he’ll come into it thinking he has to talk sense into Harry and and protect the temporary wielder - Charity. Michael will survive, but Charity won’t. 

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper? She wants him to steal what ever he really wants to, not what he has outright said he is after, but she doesn’t want him to keep it. I think Mab is running a game on Nic, she wants what he is really after possibly to pay back another debt or to bargain with a third party. I see it ultimately being of importance, possibly come the BAT. Mab also sees Nic as a dangerous being who could upset her plans she wants to neutralize him in the worst case, but best case is to make use of him because he is a dangerous being. She would be content with the fallen inside of Nic, but she would dearly love to have the combination of Nic and Anduriel working for her. I see it as something similar to her plans for Molly, the Mantle of Winter Lady wasn’t her first choice for Molly, but it was an acceptable outcome. Anduriel with a new host - one beholden to Mab and maybe even with something like a wizard’s lifespan would be a fine addition for her. I don’t think she would order Harry to take up the coin, but who knows who else she could con into it.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book? I think it is Lash. She will take over the new home Harry has constructed for Bob. Molly will ease the transition out of Harry and into her new existence.

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out? We see a new host for Lasciel, but Harry won’t tumble to it until later in the book - at least he won’t let on he knows, but will figure it out early on and use it to get out alive and successful. Of course it will be revealed what Nic is really after - Harry joining with Nicodemus among other things - as well, then
Harry jumps it all off by clipping Didre(sp?) for her actions in SmF. I even think it possible for him to finish the job and put Nic on the ark for keeps as well, although he won’t actually be the one to do it. For that I have my money on Murphy pulling a Connor McCloud on him although I think it unlikely. Nicodemus will continue to try to recruit Harry, right up until the end both because it would be expected and because Nic STILL wants Harry on his team as evidenced by him accepting Harry’s services as payment for Mab’s debt.
9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
We could find out who fixed LC. Here is my answer, taken from this post : http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40467.30.html

I've never really cared much for the time traveling theories, especially where LC is concerned. I've posted before I think it was Lash and sub Harry who fixed it. Both had motive, neither of them wanted to be the confetti raining down on Chicago if the thing went boom, and the opportunity to fix it. Just before Harry uses LC to find Molly.

Lash starts messing with him, trying to convince him not to use LC. She says she wants him to take up Lasciel's coin, and she does. The thing about it is by this point she knows it won't happen then, if it ever does. She knows Harry well enough and is aware enough of the situation to realize a couple things. One, Harry doesn't have to have LC work in order to find Molly; a variation of a tracking spell would get the same results. Two, Harry using LC is just Harry showing off. Sub Harry knows this as well, and I think he has seen the flaw in the design. He might not know how to fix it, but Lash does. She can't actually do the work herself, but Sub Harry can. She distracts Harry while Sub Harry takes over the body and does the work fixing LC. Bob knows what is going on, and Sub Harry orders him to dummy up about how it got fixed.

Mab fixing could work as well, but I find that to be a stretch. She generally doesn't take such direct action, instead preferring to let some on she is testing (and that is exactly one thing she has going on in PG, she is testing Harry.) do on their own. True she sees Harry as important to her future plans. Her attitude is Boba Fett "He's no use to me dead." The thing about it, and I think Harry has mentioned this himself, she doesn't babysit. Could she have sent some one, yeah, she could have. I don't think Lea done the deed either, being a Sidhecicle would have made it kind of hard to pull off. Come to think of it depending on how involved Mab was in healing Lea - she was one of the frozen Sidhe Harry saw, she couldn't have fixed LC. 

Other characters seem less likely to me as well. First they would have to know LC existed in the first place, and I find it highly unlikely for that to have happened. Remember secrets are the Wizards heroin. Could they have been informed. Possible, but then again I don't see that as likely.

The only ones I see as having a more than enough motive and opportunity and the means to accomplish the task are Lash and Sub Harry. Lash distracts Harry while Sub Harry drives the bus.   

(Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit. 
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Romulan Cmdr on March 24, 2014, 03:17:04 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

Ive heard it’s the Holy Grail – this would fit with the previous attempt to have the Shroud.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Well lets face it, Harry has managed to mess up both Nic’s plans as well as his wife’s.  So who better to use than the enemy that’s confounded him before? (Also Vader syndrome is at work)  I bet Nic thinks he can still get Harry to take up the coin. There is no way for Nic to know that the Shadow ‘died’ despite what Harry told him. Also Harry best understands the Denarians interworkings so to Nic it makes sense.  Also crazy thought maybe its because soulfire will be needed for one part of the heist and Harry is the only one he knows who has it?

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?
Woot!  Well we got the standard suspects – the various Denarians. It would be interesting if Binder, Murphry or even one of Monoc’s people get added into this.


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 
Methinks Uriel might interfere a bit. I think it d depend on the other skills needed.   Maybe someone from the White Council interferes?  Personally Andi might cause a problem since she is a kidnap magnet. Thought there is a fair chance it ll be Fix.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya is a definite as he is the active wielder.  It would be interesting if Murphry finds a person for Excalibur because so fair its been F’s which has reacted best to her. Maybe Molly’s younger brother Daniel?   
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
There is still the insult of someone throwing Hellfire at Artics Tor. Remember that the same way the pixes’s actions were attributed to Harry since they were working for Harry.  Even if Nic wasn’t the one who threw the hellfire-he is responsible. That reckoning  is still awaiting a valid response. 

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?   
Well , Molly is going to have to do some mind magic to get the parasite out of Harry.  I am wondering if this is how air sprits of intellects are formed.  (like Bob.)  Lash is the obvious choice, but why would it bargain to not let Harry know?  I suspect there will be a twist to this.


8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

The Grail was an attempt to get all the main enemies out in the open,  Nic had some deal with the Former,  the former over extend themselves,  both Fae sides will come down on the Former and hopefully Cristos gets killed in the process. (ok I can wish cant I?)

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
The original Merlin is one of those that’s in prison in the Island due to his having to make some super hard decisions and reaching a breaking point.
The Former are snagging people of magical talent so they can leach it from the ones they don’t make into turtle-necks.
Nic had a deal with the HWW Behind and HWW Before

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
There will be Monty Python jokes.  Uriel will show up.    Mouse will get to talk again.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on March 25, 2014, 03:31:38 AM
Hey Guys -- please read the following:

I realize a bunch of you have questions you've left unanswered "for future consideration".  I strongly urge you to fill in the blanks now.

There have already been two major sets of spoilers released since the OP, and my fellow curators have had to take steps to ensure those who predicted correctly get credit.

Unless something changes, I plan to lock the thread in the beginning of March, but I claim the right to lock it instantly if I feel things have been compromised.  Get your final answers in while you can.

You have been warned

Coupla questions K...

Where may the two major sets of spoilers be viewed, and where will those who get things right be given credit (when I assume will be sometime after release of SG).

Thanks,

Bilal
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on March 25, 2014, 03:39:49 AM
Coupla questions K...

Where may the two major sets of spoilers be viewed, and where will those who get things right be given credit (when I assume will be sometime after release of SG).

Thanks,

Bilal

The first would be the blurb for the book which can be found on the main website, the second would be the interview that confirmed who Harry will be taking with him on the trip.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on March 25, 2014, 04:24:57 AM
The first would be the blurb for the book which can be found on the main website, the second would be the interview that confirmed who Harry will be taking with him on the trip.

Haven't seen the latter.  Where might I find it?

And thanks, TCF...
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on March 25, 2014, 07:29:34 AM
Haven't seen the latter.  Where might I find it?

And thanks, TCF...

(click to show/hide)

Here you go.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Transkaren on March 30, 2014, 05:48:22 PM
If this is still open - and please note that I haven't read the rest of the posts, so if I crib someone's pet theory it's not my fault.

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?

-As stated in the question, asked and answered.  Except...  I don't think that's all he's planning to take.  Yes, the grail is the claimed target (and what a target it would be!), but this is NICODEMUS.  If he says the grail is his primary target, he's lying.  So - Harry's told he's going after the grail, they do recover the grail, but the actual target is going to be someone or something he can use to cleanse Nemesis from the Nickelheads, with tempting Harry being part of it as well.

2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?

-He has a plan in place.  He needs Soulfire to get through something.  For extra credit, I'm going to go even further and say that there is a trap or device that projects a field that only an Angel or similarly powered being can access - in other words, it keeps out everything but souls.

3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?

Members of the team:
-Nicodemus
-Nic's daughter
-Harry
-Murphy
-Listen
-Mavra
-Kincaid

4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 

-Well, clearly the initial person question has been asked & answered.  As for who else gets involved?  Fix, as required by the mantles (this is a sanctioned Unseelie event), though I think his interference will come at the end*.  Similarly, I think Lea (who can track harry quite well across boundaries) will be there at the end.  Sanya will stumble in at the end*.  Most importantly?  Demonreach and Lash.

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

-Murphy's, clearly.  Sanya will probably be present for the last part of the book - and, sad to say, I think he won't make it out alive.  His sword will be taken up by either Thomas or Harry himself.  Because really, if there's one thing Harry has it's Hope.  Thomas *might* take up Love this book, but I don't really see that happening until the BAT.

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

-Both.  She doesn't want him getting the power of the Grail (simple thwarting), but she wants *Harry* to come away from this with the ability to remove Nemesis.

7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

-Lash is causing the headaches, and she will emerge during the book.  She will either take up residence in Bob's spare skull/home or Harry will carry her out of Hades and she will take Persephone's body (which is perfectly serviceable, aside from being brain-dead).

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

-First, Hades will be the "other side" of Demonreach - Demonreach is a prison for monsters, Hades is a prison for humans.  So when they exit, they exit to Demonreach.  Harry will then backstab Nic's people - Shagnasty becomes a prisoner almost right away.  Kincaid has been working for Murphy all along, to protect the two of them; Murphy doesn't help Harry; she can't, because he just betrayed Nic.  Nic manages to get free, but Deidre is taken down and imprisoned (alive).  In the *end - Nic wins, and gets away with everything.

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.

-Lash is the Parasite.  Not that WAG, so not taking credit.
-Demonreach and Hades (the region) align in terms of location, just on opposite sides of the reality barrier.
-Hades (himself) is a nice guy, and will actually be quite pleasant to Harry, especially after Harry returns the stolen items.

10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book.  Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven?  The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want.  Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.

Harry will go to the Carpenter's house for advice from Michael.  He's sitting down to dinner with his family - including his eldest daughter.  She hasn't revealed anything to them, and in order to fight the Mantle's influence she's decided to become much more "conforming".

The White Council have all but backed off from helping humanity in general.  Harry will, at the end of the book, stop by and say "hi".

*As noted above, Sanya will come in at the end of the heist.  That won't be the end of the book.  In the *real* end, Harry tracks down Nic and gets the grail *and* secondary item(s) back.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Serack on April 01, 2014, 04:06:26 PM
The first would be the blurb for the book which can be found on the main website, the second would be the interview that confirmed who Harry will be taking with him on the trip.

Keep in mind that blerbs and such should be taken with salt.  Remember the Dead Beat blerb discussing 6 necromancers Harry had to beat or some such.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on April 02, 2014, 03:08:43 AM
Keep in mind that blerbs and such should be taken with salt.  Remember the Dead Beat blerb discussing 6 necromancers Harry had to beat or some such.

And the Cold Days blurb talking about how Harry will be trying to escape the WK mantle.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Mira on April 07, 2014, 10:03:35 PM
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Nick is trying extinguish hope, because when all hope is lost mankind will turn to his side.  Remember from the myth that when the box was opened all matter of trouble was let loose on the world.  However the last thing in the box, Hope stayed behind, and as long as she was there, the world would never fall totally to ruin.
If it is Pandora's Box that they are after, Lash will leave Harry's head and take the place of Elpis who has been killed in the great battle that has taken place at the vault.  Thus though not completely redeemed herself, she becomes a symbol of redemption.


2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
 What Nick is after isn't so important as is what Mab is after.  It is all part of Mab's long term three dimensional chess match she has been playing with the adversary. It was all part of masterful preplanning on her part.  She made the bargain a thousand years or so ago knowing this day would come.  She had no access to the vault or not alone at any rate... Eventually she knew that the adversary would though one of it's allies to call in the mark.. Which it did, so from her point of view this is a huge set up, she though Harry is setting up Nick and thus the adversary.  What she gains is knowledge of just how the adversary thinks and what he goals are..

 4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
Murphy for sure is going down into Hell with Harry, that one is foreshadowed by what she told him in Cold Days.  Since Harry's health is at issue, the thing in his head, Butters along with Bob for brains and if he needs a doctor.  Harry convinces Murphy that his might be a Sword Mission, Sanya is also recruited.  Murphy has been having issues, namely her fear that Harry could go bad at any moment.  She is afraid that Harry is going to do something that will endanger the Swords and if he does she won't be able to stop him.  Nick exploits these fears, and at the critical time just after the heist is completed and everyone begins to relax he unleashes his plan..  Murphy thinking she is really helping Harry turns on him, Harry is in danger, what is more the Swords are in danger.  Molly gets wind of it and pleas with Michael to take up the Sword one more time to rescue Harry and company and of course the rest of the Swords. 

Michael agrees, and once more into the breech he goes..  There is a huge fight, the Sword stops working for Murphy and Harry gets it away from her, and for the duration of the rest of the battle he becomes a Holy Knight..  WAG?  There is going to be a death here of a beloved character and Harry will be devastated by it, it will affect him more than his sacrifice of Susan, it will stick with him until the end of the series..   It could be Murphy, she either dies or switches teams completely both would grieve Harry just about forever... Or it could be Michael, one last battle, this too would be devastating for Harry, he was one of his best friends and Molly's father and he died to save him.  The Swords will go back into Harry's keeping Alfred will keep watch over them until needed again.. Daniel could be the next Knight of the Cross, Butters could be the second, Sanya survives.



9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games..
  The "skin" Harry has got in the game is his life, getting the parasite out of it without killing him and his loved ones. 
  The "skin" Nick has got is what's in the vault, revenge on Harry, and possible access to one or more of the Holy Swords. 
  The "skin" Mab has in the game is one more successful blow against the adversary.
HUGE WAG!  Okay this came to me early this morning just before waking... I said there'd be a significant death, also said Murphy could go bad.... Here's how it happens, in the big battle Murphy goes down, not dead but out, the Sword is in danger,  Harry takes it up and goes after Nick, succeeds in cutting the noose from his neck, he dies, Deidre witnesses it, screams grabs the coin now rolling from Nick's dead hand, and places it in the hand of the woozy Murphy, she orders Shaggy to pick up Murphy's body and manically laughs as she retreats..  Of course Harry blames himself, he knows in the future he will have to face and fight Murphy over and over again, until one of them dies or she is redeemed.. He is grieved beyond consoling..

Edit:  Serack wants to point out that Mira shoulda included these comments in her prediction.  (don't clickie until you've read the ENTIRE SG book.)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40796.0.html  -Serack
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Serack on April 08, 2014, 11:03:33 AM

 There is a huge double cross, Harry is in huge danger.  Molly pleas with Murphy, who is still reluctant to use the Sword, especially to take it down into the pit of Hell.  Molly, makes a plea to her Dad to talk some sense into her.  With Sanya at his side Michael tells Murphy he will take up the Sword one more time for Harry's sake, and the three Swords together are strong enough to withstand anything that Hell or Denarians can throw at them... She agrees, so they decend into Hell to rescue Harry.. There is a battle, either Michael dies or Murphy dies in the battle and briefly to salvage the mission and save his remaining friends, Harry takes up the either the Sword of Faith or Love, and is a Holy Knight for a day.  I think one way or another there will be a great sacrifice of a main character in this book, with even more lasting effects on Harry than even the sacrifice of Susan. 

Alternative prediction, is our fears that something has happened to Murphy since Changes, bares fruit, just when Harry thinks the mission is a success, everyone is okay, the parasite is going to be removed from his head.. Nick or Deidre gives the "high sign" and Murphy changes and is about to hand over her Sword to Nick.  Harry must intervene, he gains back the Sword, but in the process Murphy is either killed or leaves with Nick and Deidre.  Michael is on hand to console Harry, who is inconsolable.  Michael promises to train up a new Knight to fill the ranks since Harry cannot be both Winter Knight and Holy Knight at the same time.. Possible candidates?  Butters and Daniel..

If it is Pandora's Box that they are after, Lash will leave Harry's head and take the place of Elpis who has been killed in the great battle that has taken place at the vault.  Thus though not completely redeemed herself, she becomes a symbol of redemption.

Mira, for "grading" sake, it is preferable that you copy the questions from knnn’s OP and fill in your “answers” to each question.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Mira on April 08, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Mira, for "grading" sake, it is preferable that you copy the questions from knnn’s OP and fill in your “answers” to each question.
Sorry, never did this before..  Modified my first post to reflect some of the questions.
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: Serack on April 08, 2014, 09:43:50 PM
Sorry, never did this before..  Modified my first post to reflect some of the questions.

Thanks for participating :)

It's fun to read everyone's theories, however, comparing them after the book has released for "awards" is quite a task
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: peregrine on April 12, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
Apparently spoilers are afoot online now, from the early copies sold at a con in Australia.  Including the goal of the theft (some people got it right, some did not)
Title: Re: Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Post by: knnn on April 13, 2014, 03:12:56 AM
ok, locking topic.

Thanks for participating everyone!  See you after May 17th.

Title: Predict-a-thon late entry.
Post by: dspringer1 on April 16, 2014, 08:09:43 PM
I'll vouch that this guy isn't cheating, and thus could be considered for a late entry in the predict-a-thon -Serack

1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus.  What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?  The blurb for SG had some info on this, and all answers that hit on what the blurb indicates as the target have been recorded before anyone could edit their answer to reflect its contents. -Serack


2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team.  Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request?  Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?


3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven".  Who else did Nicodemus recruit?  How will they interact with Harry?


4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help.  In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew.  Who will it be?  Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 

5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present.  In fact, there have been various hints...  Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?

Sonya, Murphy. 

6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist.  In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve.  What are Mab's reasons in this book?  Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?

Always multiple levels.    see twists for possibilities.   


7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay.  The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book.  Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?

   

8.  One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal.  Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross.  What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?

9.  (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others.  Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.


3rd - Murphy will also drink from the cup and cure her taint from the Adversary.   Which came from Kravos.