i have never thought of this before but is there a difference between mental physical and social consequences? Can you have say a mild mental consequence and a mild physical consequence and a mild social consequence? You know because they really aren't the same thing. Mild physical consequence: sprained wrist. Mild social consequence if passed gas at the all you can eat buffet and everyone knows. I could have both.

am i mistaking. The short version

does it cost a mental energy to cast or is it like thaumaturgy where there is no cost because its slow and uses another source of power. Does self sponsored evothaum share the same cost or lack of cost?

I am a bit confused on the basic length of time a thaumaturgy ritual will last without adding to its time. Certainly better than instant and certainly not a few moments or why bother with the ritual at all. Where do you all start it before you have the players start adding shifts?

what would a belt that transforms  wizard into animal cost.Under the enchantment rules. say into a wolf we have several examples in the books. I now the ritual would be costly and painful but what about an item that does it.

has anyone given thought to what this might entail. I saw plant magic listed in the home brewed sponsored list that's close i think but what would Gaia sponsored magic look like. Not self sponsored, but sentiate earth sponsored maybe.

I was rereading hi s write up in paranet papers and i was wondering was he based on a real person?

the paranet papers helped define sponsered magic a bit more placing some limits to how much you can call on the sponser and such. Kind of made it a one time per story thing considering what can happen if you draw on the power to much and the sponser can make you pay with will to power type stuff. That stuff is represented by the gamemaster. If the player doesnt want to do it the gamemater is within his rights to do it because its part of the story. Your indebt with a greater power. With self spondered magic that doesnt really exist. Kimmler necromancy being the ingame example of self sponsered magic.I have asked this before but what kind of limit is there to self sponsered magic. Especially in light of the new rules that you use any of your abilities via sponser or even create powers for use at the drop of hat. Isn't "self" sponser just that. You doing the magic. Or does it simply represent a greater understanding of a particular type of magic and allow you to start higher on the ladder then your conviction would normally allow for those roles related to your speciality. Should we create a track to provide an upper limit to its use before you are tired. A track would help, much like soulfire track does. I kind of like that idea for self sponsered magic. anyone else been thinking on this?