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Author Craft / Complete and utter self promotion.
« on: April 02, 2016, 12:21:57 AM »
In August, I got an acceptance from Abyss & Apex for my short story, "Cheatin'."  My first sale, and the first short I've written since my freshman year.  (That was when we had to make our own dirt.  Out of wood.)

Today that story went live in Abyss & Apex's Q2 issue.

It's sci-fi; the two nastiest creatures on a broken and lost colony world have a go at each other.  One is a vicious and cruel indigenous carnivore; the reason that every Homestead booby traps and mines every last vent or hatch when they huddle up for the long darkness of winter. 

The other's a 12 year old girl.

Think of it as a heartwarming, coming-of-age tale about an adorable scamp with the stars in her eyes, and grenades in her pockets.  Lots of 'em.

Wander by, kick the tires, let me know what you think.

You will all hold places of honor and glory in the New Regime.

http://www.abyssapexzine.com/

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Community Cork Board / Ravati Aziz and the Terror of Twelvety Town
« on: January 05, 2015, 12:24:17 AM »
Just uploaded a revised version of my novella.  In addition to the revisions, I've added a historical timeline and a pretty extensive glossary.

Captain Ravati Aziz has guarded caravans, stormed bandit palisades, and navigated the treacherous shoals of the New League's fledgling bureaucracy. She's overcome the dangers the colony of Ayeden has thrown at her as her world gradually recovers from an ancient war.

But now, Ravati faces the greatest challenge of her career, a threat which could derail the efforts to unify Ayeden's scattered communities: Shaifennen Roehe, the Terror of Twelvety Town.

The songs say that Shaifennen doesn't ride a horse, but a tame grumper. They say she can sing skizzers to sleep and kill snow-devils with just a bit of magic string and a poisoned apple. Shaifennen's fought off bandits and strong-arm boys, put the Trader Families in their place... along with anybody else who wanted to rob the people who call the old Number Twelve Mine "home."

Now, Shaifennen's on her way to Greenline Town with a wagonload of relics and tech from the war, and a chip the size of a steam tractor on her shoulder. Surely Ravati can keep a fifteen year old girl from causing too much trouble...


http://www.amazon.com/Ravati-Aziz-Terror-Twelvety-Town-ebook/dp/B00GZEDSIQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420414604&sr=8-1&keywords=ravati+aziz

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ravati-aziz-and-the-terror-of-twelvety-town-j-kenton-pierce/1120996924?ean=2940148864103

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Part 3 of "Celebrate the pages you've written.

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Author Craft / The Terror of Twelvety Town is now live.
« on: December 19, 2013, 02:06:01 AM »
It's taken a while for Smashwords to ship to the various E-book vendors, but from what I can tell, the novella is up live across the board now.  Gotta admit, the ideas and discussions that have been rattling about the Authorcraft section have been great for helping me examine my work.  I've learned a lot here.  I've got the free samples enabled on all versions, but the the Amazon and Nook formats seem the best... I'm not keen on how Smashwords formats manuscripts.  Take a look at the samples and let me know what you think!  (And if anybody is thinking about writing, I can't recommend Jim's Livejournal entries on writing genre as the best jumping-off point you could hope for.  Jim's writing helped me learn to examine what I was reading, stories that caught my attention and learn *why* they did so.  The fundamentals you're going to need are right there.)

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Her name is Shaifennen Roehe, the Terror of Twelvety Town. They say she doesn't ride a horse, but a tame grumper. They say she can sing skizzers to sleep and kill snow-devils with just a bit of magic string and a poisoned apple. She's fought off bandits and strong-arm boys, put the Trader Families in their place along with anybody else who wanted to rob the people who call the old Number Twelve Mine "home."

Oh, and they also say she's on her way to Greenline Town with a wagonload of relics and tech from the war, and a chip on her shoulder.
 
But Captain Ravati Aziz has guarded caravans, stormed bandit palisades and navigated the treacherous shoals of the New League's fledgling bureaucracy. Surely she can keep one fifteen year old girl from getting into too much trouble... 

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Twelvety-Town-Kenton-Pierce-ebook/dp/B00GZEDSIQ

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-terror-of-twelvety-town-j-kenton-pierce/1117550632?ean=2940148864103

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/382907


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http://www.writeaboutdragons.com/

He's allowing his lectures and assignments to be posted online, and the site basically lets people follow along at home, submitting sections of the piece they write for the class.  Good way to gain some critiques, and he's got a good many interesting things to say about the processes of writing genre fiction.  Be advised Sanderson isn't participating in the online portion, but those lectures have some good stuff, and I've received a few valuable critiques.

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This is me.  This is me rambling waiting for some reads to get back so I can polish my novella and fire that rascal off.

This is me with too damn much time on my hands, but not enough brain-mojo to do anything really creative.  So I'm just thinking and rambling some on when and how to kill off main characters, and maybe some stuff about reader expectations. 

So don't take this as advice from a "writer," because I'm by no stretch of the imagination an expert on that.  This is more reactions from a reader.

I replaced my mobile phone and was re-downloading my ebooks when I stumbed across one I didn't quite remember.  I started reading it, and was delighting in the gorgeous prose and utterly engaging protagonist.  Then I got this nasty, unpleasant sensation, flipped ahead, and remembered I had read this one...  and deleted it in a fit of rage.

Now, what follows will be SPOILERS for "The Reapers are also Angels."

THAT'S RIGHT, SPOILERS!

The author kills the amazing, engaging, delightfully emotionally rich protagonist, and then spends the last chapter or two focused on her murderer, as if to impart something Profound and Statementey, with no small bit of apologist poetical horseshit. 

Now, why did this piss me off so bad I'll never crack another book by this guy?  I'm not quite a Care Bear, after all... I wouldn't be devouring Zombie books if I wanted the Rainbow Unicorn to come and make every story happy with his Gumdrop Magic.

And I've never even briefly Ragequit Joss Whedon, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Spooks, or Supernatural over killing off a character I liked.  Well, I did stop watching one episode of Supernatural when they killed a dog just to make sure everyone knew how much of a dick the villain was.

So why? 

Why is this talented writer on my "Please die in a fire before writing anything else list"?  He's a pretty damn skilled author, despite the Present Tense, No Quotation Marks, Just To Prove How Very Clever I Am And To Prove It's Serious Literature Even Though It Has Zombies.  The guy wrote a pretty good book until he sneezed and let Uwe Boll steal his soul.  Great worldbuilding, excellent characters...

Why couldn't I give this guy the pass I did John Carpenter?  I'd love to have a beer with R.J. MacCready, but I didn't feel "cheated" with how that book ended.

So I puzzled on that this afternoon, trying to figure out the reason for the disparity in my reactions to Main Character Termination.

Part of it's a matter of pure taste.  I grew up watching the ponderously nihilistic themes in 60's and 70's cinema, reading horror books which could be summed up "he dies, she dies, everybody dies."  So it's not just a genre or theme I'm into.  If I need to be reminded how shitty and unfair the world is, I'll watch the news.

But that doesn't account for the strength of my reaction.

Why does Joss Whedon get away with it?  He kills fuckers off like there's no tomorrow. 

Figured that part out:  Because for every beloved and engaging character he kills, he usually has three or for more to carry the story forward.  He kills people off to drive the story, to drive character development, and sometimes just to maintain a sense of peril, not so much in an effort to be "Profound." 

But The Book Which Irritated Me Unreasonably, the protagonist's death didn't make the rest of the story Profound. 

It made it pointless. 

Why would I even want to stick around while the piece of trash waxed poetical?  Keep reading a book now absent the only character I was interested in? 

Now, remember, I'm talking about my personal tastes here, not making a professional, moral, or ethical judgement.  People reading for some "Greater Statement" or "Profound Commentary" can still enjoy it just fine... but for me, that event was like watching someone create a beautiful painting, then, right at the end, set the canvas on the floor and squat their business all over it, just to mix things up some, just to say "Aha!  See what I did there?"

Now, I've no idea if that was the writer's intention, rather that's the impression the book created in me, due to my own weird mix of tastes and experiences and all that stuff.

Mainly because when reading, I'm character driven.

So when none of the remaining characters are ones I care about, respect, or like, why bother reading more?  It's the same reason I'm not into the whole  Game Of Thrones thingee... I know that most anyone I like will die, or turn into an asshole because the author wants people to focus on story rather than characters. 

So I've been able to gel one potential lesson from this:  If you're writing a character driven story, don't kill the character unless your other characters are engaging enough to keep people around.  I quit watching "Friends" when the monkey left the show.

If you only have one character people care about, think real hard before you gank them, make sure it's worth what you'll lose.  "Well, Harry's dead, but Thomas Covenant's now telling the tale..."  If your work relies on it's characters, be sure that you leave something your readers will still enjoy.

Now, if you're writing for readers who aren't driven by their emotional attachment to your characters or because they're intrigued by that character's development, have at, tally ho, and all that. 

But keep in mind that unless you balance things, there's always a trade-off.  In fact, balancing things is, itself a trade-off against really punching up this or that.  If you sacrifice depth for cheese-whiz feel-good, or character engagement for Profoundity, or worldbuilding for any of the above, you're pruning off a portion of your readers.

I'm not saying "Don't choose this or choose that,"  just that you should keep that sort of thing in mind.  Cost/benefit analysis, based on why you're writing, and who you think you're writing for.



Another bit I've taken from this, and it doesn't apply directly to Reapers/Angels, just something that came up during my musings:  Know what your core audience likes about your work, don't make them feel cheated. 


If your changing your game, hang a lantern on that.  "This new series is going to darker places, about crimes against pandas.  It's nothing like my smartass, wisecracking plumber's adventures amongst the gigglebunnies..."  (I'm talking in terms of emotional, gut reactions.)  Now, if you're an unpublished author, it's not like people have expectations.  But if you've established a reader base, don't sucker them into buying your book about a girl who drank a glass of water and was sad, then got her life together to be hit by a train, if your earlier, popular work is about a boy who, I don't know, does nice things in a funny way or something.   

If you've established a reader base, they expect some things from you.  Magnum PI coming back as a ghost isn't what they're paying to see.  There was a recent show that pretended to be Torchwood, but really wasn't except for some of the cast members... Don't be Not-Torchwood. 

Don't be Spinal Tap Mark II. 

Don't be Zardoz, or Highlander II.

Be aware of why people like your stuff.  Don't be afraid to push your boundries, change your focus, but make sure your readers know what they're getting into.

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http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/06/space-marines-and-the-battle-of-tradem-ark/

Games Workshop recently got a self-published E-book, titled "Spots The Space Marine" pulled from Amazon by threatening to sue on the ground that they own the trademark to the term "Space Marine." 

A brief history of Space Marines before Games Workshop invented them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_marine

And already, the humor begins...



Anyway, I'm posting this because we've a goodly number of folks who have or are planning on e-publishing and self-publishing, and this could be an issue if Amazon were to start pulling anything with "space marines."  Granted, anything that doesn't use it in the title would probably stay off the radar, but if somebody were to hit it big with a self-published kindle book, GW might serve up one of these notices and get your work pulled. 

John Scalzi has commented that as president of SFWA, this issue "is on his radar," but hasn't gone into any further detail. 

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The old one hit it's expiry date, so here's a fresh one to discuss our progress...

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Author Craft / Sweet Rejection...
« on: February 03, 2013, 05:04:57 PM »
So the first short I've fed into the Submission Machine has now garnered two "Near Miss" rejections.  On one hand it sucks, but on the other hand, only about 6% of Clarke's World submissions get the "Near Miss" letter.  So at least I know I'm on the right track.  What I'd truly love to know is if there was a technical issue, not quite the content they were looking for, or  if there were simply too many other stories in the batch that struck chord with the editorial staff. 

Still, it's feedback of sorts, which is better than none.   ;)

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The Bar / Brewing Recipe Box.
« on: December 29, 2012, 02:28:11 AM »
Ok, post your brewing recipes here! 

I want to keep this thread just for recipes though, questions, discussion, quote and post to http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,29041.0/topicseen.html
 so we can keep this thread clean and tidy!

Thanks!

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Author Craft / "Read. Your. Shit. Out. Loud." Quothe the Wendigo.
« on: December 19, 2012, 03:09:51 AM »
Chuck Wendig was preaching some straight up gospel when he advised printing and then reading your work out loud.  I could have saved my betas sooooo much needless work if I'd been doing so from day one.

You spot not just clunky, unnatural language, but typoooos two.  I think what happens when we read silently to ourselves is that our brain's will auto-correct for us, skimming over the missing words or wrong words to focus on the meaning.  But when you read your material aloud, you're bringing more parts of your brain into play, to convert thought to speech. 

Also, I had a number of lines in this last bit that just didn't quite sing.  Not clunky, not bad, just not great.  But when I was doing an actual reading, better ways of saying them just tumbled right out of my mouth.

So. 

Read.  Your.  Shit.  Out.  Loud. 

You'll be amazed at the mistakes you find, the improvements you'll make. 

And I cannot recommend strongly enough his blogs on writing or his books, which are compilations of his writing blogs with additional thoughts, notes, sarcasm, vulgarity, and tequila thrown in.

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I understand the importance of dialogue in a story, it's what hooks us to characters and how they react to things, it's a great tool for showing rather than telling (so long as the character isn't become a funnel for an infodump), etc. 

I'm writing a story from the first person though, and I'm wondering about balancing the amount of dialogue with the narration, as that is itself a form of dialogue.  Like how much, if any, slack does 1st person take up from inter-character dialogue? 

At what point does one say "You don't really need to detail the conversation with the checkout clerk regarding the shopper's value card"? 

That sort of thing.  I've found myself going back and injecting dialogue into places where I'd written something like "I told so-and-so to go and blahblahblah", usually when it was an area of text that just felt kind of flat and barren.  (My character uses a slight, but easily understandable dialect and a frankly Whedonesque sort of wordplay, and I keep invented slang terms to things readily understandable because of the context.  That can spice up simple descriptions and scenes, but I don't want to use as a crutch or substitute for entertaining or useful conversations.

I'd like to hear people's viewpoints.  General rules of thumb you might prefer, should any exist, good examples to keep in mind, etc.  The most obvious "good example" would be the Dresdenverse, but I don't want to just ape Jim's style, or accidentally craft something that's going to be limited to people who like the same things about it that I do. 

So I'm looking for food for thought.

Feed, me, Seymour. 

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The Bar / The Brewmaster is in.
« on: September 19, 2011, 03:13:54 PM »
Those references to Mac's smokey homebrews got your mouth set for something sweet as sin and dark as night?  Want to learn the craft, or just swap recipes?  Here's the place to do.  (Yeah, Story of Us would be the proper place, but hey, beer.  Mac's.  Pub.)

So, post your favorite recipes, questions about brewing, microbrew experiences, etc. And mishaps...  Those can be... educational... to other brewers.

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Site Suggestions & Support / The Book of Don't
« on: July 14, 2010, 02:01:56 AM »
Author's Forward:

"Please note, The Book Of Don't contains actual rules regarding conduct on the forums, these are not "suggestions" nor "Paynesgrey's Helpful Opinions On Forum Conduct" despite the vaguely humorous tone in which they are provided.  Some ideas I come up with when I witness "issues", others come from the other Bartenders and mods as they see problems or attempts at doing an end-run on the standards of conduct.  So I slap together a clarifier/reminder and toss it out there for Them What's In Authority and Such to digest.  Most go right through, although I admit "Don't forget to always capitalize any and all pronouns referring to Paynesgrey, and to preceed any usage of My Name with "His Most Masculine (junior) Moderatorialness, Paynesgrey" was not received with the enthusiasm I'd hoped for.  Win some, lose some.  Later on I'm going to pitch "Don't forget to begin any reply to Paynesgrey with the phrase, "What is thy bidding, my Master?"  Or at least always respond to Me with the phrase "Yes, my Gatekeeper." 

Point being, every item posted here is submitted to The Site Gods for approval, tweaking, massaging, etc.  I am but Their Humble Prophet.  So if you see it in The Book of Don't, well... don't. 




The first part of The Book of Don't was found carved into the skull fragments of an ancient entombed dead person.  The bones showed extensive scorching, and there it was later determined that his tomb was in fact not a grave quarried into pre-deluvian stone, but a big old boot print.  What follows is a rough translation: 

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Gaze up this, the ancient Sage, mighty in his wisdom, strong in his righteousness, examine him carefully, allow yourself to breathe deep of his very essence, to contemplate, to understand him, what it is to be him, to see and smell and hear and taste the world through him.



And then don't be him.

The main purpose of this forum is to discuss and generally roll around in imaginary worlds filled with imaginary people and things.  And to meet new friends who also have imaginary world all over them.  Think about exactly how much impact on your life will result from an arguement about "What is the effect of Tuesdays on White Court Vampires, and is it covered in The Accords?"  Keep things in perspective.  Sometimes we take offense to someone's tone or attitude in a discussion, but at the end of the day, we're arguing about... say it with me... imgainary people in imaginary worlds.  When you find yourself replying machine gun fashion in an arguement, getting pissed at someone, take a day or two off the topic.  The interweb won't spoil, it'll be here when everyone's settled down.  And if it's a topic you're emotionally invested in, by keeping your calm, keeping things civil, you'll help keep the thread healthy, fun, and unlocked.  Jim wants his friends to get along, to be pleasant and respecful to each other. 

Remember that.  I knew a guy who'd get all worked up and shrill and type angry things all the time instead of waiting a bit to settle down.  He burned up in the fire, and then Asthon came and stomped on his head.



Selected passages from the From the Ancient Studies of the Life's Work of the Sage, The Most Transendental Passive Aggressive Sneakety Snears Smugly.  The works provide a cautionary tale of how not to end up like him.

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Don't perform a "Drive By." 

A Drive By is a quick, one liner which either invokes a Touchy Topic, or is just obnoxious, insulting, or demeaning.  "Yeah, what do they expect when they elect republitarianocratic-ists" or "Well, anyone who's not an idiot can see that Thomas can't feed on Mormonoligistarianists on Tuesdays, because the Accords say so."  It's like when a lawyer says something he knows the judge will tell him is out of line, but the damage is done even before he can word his fake apology.  That goes for Lofty Pronouncements, a drive by of the "I think you're not smart enough to realize I'm insulting you and sneering at you, you are a simpleton or morally inferior being."  Things like starting with "Some of us SNIFFFF... happen to believe otherwise and have the proper appreciation for blahblahblahblarffblarffblarfff." 

Cracks like the above might be just one liners, but they're violations of policy and good manners. 

And they are particularly insidious because they tempt the goaded party to respond, splashing more Touchy Topic all over the place.  Troll bait, anyone?  Now, anybody can slip up and say something they didn't intend to be provacative or condescending.  Sometimes our wording creates a tone we honestly didn't intend.  After all, not everyone is blessed with my stunning charisma and simply magnificent diplomatic gifts.  Or my humility.  If you post something and someone takes issue, look at what you said and consider rewording it.  We're not going to take someone out back to play with Old Yeller because of an honest mistake, but we do watch patterns of behavior, and when we see someone making a habit of "honest mistakes" like Drive By jabs, we'll address it.  I knew a feller who posted Drive By's all the time, but he burnt up in the fire, then Ashton came and stomped on him.



More fragments of the text have been recovered during the excavation of what appears to be a the waste pit of a swarm young Moderaptors, providing the following advice:

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Don't supply a Non-Apology when informed you're out of line.  An apology is "I'm sorry, I didn't mean that the way it came out, I'll fix it."  Or "I'm sorry, I was out of line there."  The best way to apologize is to use short, simple words even I can understand.  That way, there's no question about your intent or meaning.

The Non Apology is the "It's unfortunate that you happen to feel offended that I called your wife a bloated warthog, I regret that some people are overly sensitive or unappreciative of the fact that any reasonable person can see that your wife is indeed a bloated warthog."  It's the statement that one clearly isn't actually apologetic about anything other than getting caught, and stands by their original out of bounds behavior but is pretending to be civil.  I knew a fellow who used Non Apologies all the time, but he burned up in the fire and then Ashton came and broke his head.



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Don't fling poo at other authors while your standing on Jim's porch. 

We all have our likes and dislikes.  Chances are most all of us have authors that we dislike.  Some of us have authors who we really, really, dislike.  That's fine.  But DO NOT use this site to go on bashing rampages against this or that author.  It's one thing to say "I couldn't get into Grayson Payne's epic mongo-mega-ology series Diatribes and Digestives, or "I just didn't like his main character."  An honest review or comment is fine, but don't start hate-fests.  This is not a "Jim Fans Against Twilight/Anita Blake/The Three Investigators" website.  It reflects poorly upon Jim when his fans use his officially sanctioned forum to heap snarlsome, venemous screeds of fanboi/grrl book outrage simply because some author somewhere wrote a books some of us don't like.  We want to welcome fans of other works, this tent is big enough for as many fans of as many authors that want to come play with us.  That welcoming sensation is not created by peeing on their shoes just because they like some author that some of us aren't big on. Chances are, fans of other authors are just as fond of those authors as we are of Jim.  And it's a safe bet that most of us would be rather put out if we were visiting another author's site and saw heaps of kvetching, nasty stuff about Jim. 

So let's be respectful of Jim's professional colleagues, as we would wish their fans to be to Jim.

I knew a fella one time who was always using Jim's forum to hate monkey rampage screech about this other author and his fans, and all they found of him was some random sloppy bits and nuggets.  And then he got burnt up in the fire.



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Don't forget to tidy up after yourself.  When the Moderators inform you that a post is in violation of the forum's standards, fix it.  Going the House of Urkle and saying "Did I do thaaaat?  Ooopsie!!!" and then just leaving the offending post in place does not correct the problem.  Like unrepaired vandalism, the eyesore remains to insult or offend, and to provoke reply.  This goes for "Drive-by" comments as well as whole posts.  The Mods do have the power to simply blot out the unacceptable post and leave a nice big red Content Deleted For Violation of Forum Policy..  Accruing a number of those big red comments can attach a certain bouancy to your account, making it float closer and closer to the top of certain lists.  People finding their way to the top of such lists can find themselves winning a no-expenses paid vacation from the forum. 

But generally we prefer to treat posters as adults, to give the offender the opportunity to demonstrate their maturity and go back and correct the matter themselves.  So when you're informed that a post or comment is out of line, fix it.



Astoundingly, our experienced team of crack snarkeologists have just this minute translated this ancient text, which will be appearing in every copy of The Book Of Don't.  The translation has been verified as Authentic Don't, We Really, Really Mean It by none other than His Most Bigger Than Me Modness, Mickey Finn.

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DON'T solicit or provide bootleg audio or video through this forum of Jim's Ghost Story Pre-Read at the Fan Dinner.
Jim was nice enough to bend some rules and share some Beta with us at the dinner.  I'm sure that we all wish we could share nicely with our fellow fans, but Jim has specifically asked us not to, at least until the sample chapters are released for the preview.  He did us a good turn, let's not repay him by doing him a bad one.  I know we all want to share and be shared with, but we must respect the wishes of the Founder of The Feast, so please do not make Jim regret what he did for us. 



O, Hai.  Ceiling Moderaptor seez what U did thar.

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 DON'T forget that all of the rules of conduct regarding courtesy, respect, and Touchy Topics apply to the Chat Room.   Our chat is not a quiet, private room you've rented.  That's what your own pesonal email is, or any outside chat you decide to use, like yahoo or FB.  Consider our chat as sitting in the middle of Jim or Fred's side room or porch.  Sure, it's not where most of the party is happening, but the same house rules apply as anybody could wander in at any moment, and because squabbles and issues from Chat are just as likely to get tracked into the rest of the house as they were from out where the Topics dog used to make his deposits.  Frankly, once in a while someone gets the notion that if a Mod isn't looking, TT or rudeness is somehow acceptable in Chat.  The Chat option can only be kept around if we can ensure that it will maintain the same standards of civil behaviour as are applied to the rest of the board.

Chat offers no more expectation of privacy than right here in the open forums, and the Chat system keeps and stores an ongoing log of the chat activity which we can use if necessary, should we witness, or receive complaints regarding chat conduct/topics.  We don't go digging through there just to go fishing, but we will use it if the need arises to look into any complaints.  Having to do so would make us sad.  Don't make us sad.   

So if you wouldn't say it in front of a Moderator, don't say it in Chat.  Take those issues to an outside chat engine if you wish to discuss them... but Touchy Topics and uncivil behaviours are STILL a No Go in this forum's Chat.     

Knew a fellar once who used to chat all the time like he didn't think the Mods could see if they weren't logged in.  Awful, just awful what happened to him after he burnt up in the fire.  It were so bad, that the burnt up in the fire part was the best part of his day, it was.


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Don't forget to keep the cigars, pipes, clove cigarettes, and other such fragrant combustables in the Smoking Lounge.  I used to smoke.  I loved smoking, particularly Djarum clove cigarettes.  And some people just hated the smell of 'em.  So when I was in a bar or club, I usually stuck to the areas formally or informally designated for smokers.  If I started to light one up, and my neighbor asked me not to, I'd take it to an area it wouldn't bother that patron.  Basic, common, courtesy.  And in any decent bar or club, were I to ignore that courtesy, then a large, unpleasant man would doubtless have instructed me on manners.  Likewise, the staff of this forum is prepared to offer instruction should it be required.

In this case, keep the RP stuff in the RP forums or chat channels. 

There's a goodly number of gamers who are into these books. That's why there's a Dresden Files RPG in the first place.  But RP bogs down and clutters the general chat channels and is an irritant when it invades non-RP oriented threads out in the forum.  It's like sitting between the other patrons at a coffee shop and yelling back and forth across their conversations, when there 's a perfectly fine RPG room off to the side.  We've created designated areas for RP chat and playing so people who aren't into it don't have to talk around it.  So please be courteous to your fellow members and use those rooms.  Those RP channels are just one click away when you're in chat, so it's not a grievous and burdensome thing to use them when you want to discuss or play an RP.


Not to start at Touchy Topic, but I'm starting a Touchy Topic...


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DON'T begin a post that in some form or other boils down to "not to start on a Touchy Topic, but Touchytouchytouchytouchy."  If it's about real world religion, politics, sociological issues that are controversial, just don't.  Fascinating bit of linquistic trivia here:  In my time among the Forumpostah Tribe of the deep Interwebba Jungles, I learned that the phrase "Not to bring up a Touchy Topic" translates quite literally to English for  "I know better than to post this, but I'm gonna go ahead and post it anyway."

One big red, flaming, acid dripping flag is "did someone use this as an election campaign issue?"   And if they did, did someone argue with them?  Did somebody hold a fundraiser for it, and at the same time did someone else held a fundraiser opposing it? If questions like those can be answered "yes", then it you should probably just save it for some other forum. 

Global Warming, I see you there.  No, don't you go slide over and try hiding behind Minumum Wages, Fair Trade, or Global Anyhthingelseism, that'll do you not a bit of good.  Yes,  That's right.  I'm talking to you.  Now git

If you have to ask if it's touchy, or preface it by saying "I don't want to go Touchy", then you probably shouldn't be posting it.  If you're really, really, unsure, but really, really, just gotta post it or your going to do unfortunate things to your undergutchies, send a PM to a moderator or bartender.  Say "I think this is ok, but I think it might be Touchy, you tell me."  Maybe it'll be ok, maby not.  Better safe than making us dig a hole in the cold, frozen ground.  Weather's turning powerful miserable for that kind of work, and it makes us cranky.




Additional verses will be provided as our crack team of Snarkeologists get annoyed and puts them together.

Amazingly enough, as Jim's books spread far and wide throughout the land, they've increasingly fallen into the hands of individuals who feel compelled to ... correct... the author and "instruct" him on how to do it right.  Neil Gaiman had quite precice and simple response to this.  Here's our low-salt version:

"Don't feel entitled to come in here and try to school, lecture, scold, or instruct the author on what and how you think he should be writing.  You are not entitled to demand that the author (or any other dreamers, shapers, singers, or makers) strive to validate your own personal worldview or causes, rather than simply tell their story the way they feel it's best told, nor refrain from portraying in what you feel is "too positive a manner" some view you do not share. 

If you sincerely feel that other people are for some reason obligated to turn their artistic efforts towards supporting your worldview, or to pursue their craft in specific way to earn your own personal approval, go blog about it or something.  Or perhaps simply consider it to be the impetus to pursue your own, original creative endeavor which expresses whatever social, political, or religious viewpoint you feel the need to see addressed in some specific manner.

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