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DF Spoilers / Warden of Demonreach: Dragoncon lore-dump or retcon??!?
« on: September 04, 2024, 10:12:48 PM »
OK, so there's this old WoJ:
Now = Harry
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler.
But now we have this (from the recent Dragoncon):
It looks to me like either:
(a) those two answers are incompatible (the old WoJ vs. the new one from Dragoncon); Jim has retconned something
(b) there was a huge gap between Kemmler & Merlin (the OG, not the title)
Like this:
Now = Harry
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler
<huge gap>
Harry - 4 = Merlin (the OG, Arthur guy)
Or, possibly, either Kemmler is much older than we thought, or Merlin lasted until much until more recently than we realized (or some of each).
We already know that deep-Nevernever can add centuries of mortal-world time (apparent "lifespan"); and maybe the Wardenship (see how I didn't use the "M" word, there? I know some dislike the way the idea has spread) can add lifespan, too.
But even so look particularly at this bit:
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler
... Dafuq?
That's the entire list of Wardens who aren't Harry or Merlin??!?
One way or another, it looks like there's some discrepancies to be accounted for... or fannish thinking to be adjusted.
Or else Jim has changed his mind (or misunderstood timeframes and answered a different question than we think, or somesuch).
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Q: Who was the Warden of Demonreach before Harry?So:
A: I know who it is, and who the guy before that was, but the guy before that was Kemmler....
Now = Harry
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler.
But now we have this (from the recent Dragoncon):
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Wardens of Demonreach?
Merlin, two since then, one of whom the WC doesn’t know about.
(Presumably not including Harry)
and (different transcriber, same Q&A session):
apart from Harry and OG Merlin, do we know any other Wardens?
There's been relatively few over the time since Merlin - only been 2 others and 1 the white council doesn't even know about...
It looks to me like either:
(a) those two answers are incompatible (the old WoJ vs. the new one from Dragoncon); Jim has retconned something
(b) there was a huge gap between Kemmler & Merlin (the OG, not the title)
Like this:
Now = Harry
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler
<huge gap>
Harry - 4 = Merlin (the OG, Arthur guy)
Or, possibly, either Kemmler is much older than we thought, or Merlin lasted until much until more recently than we realized (or some of each).
We already know that deep-Nevernever can add centuries of mortal-world time (apparent "lifespan"); and maybe the Wardenship (see how I didn't use the "M" word, there? I know some dislike the way the idea has spread) can add lifespan, too.
But even so look particularly at this bit:
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only been 2 others and 1 the white council doesn't even know aboutThat is only 3 people maximum (maybe only 2, one of whom the WC doesn't know about). Leaving off our bookends (Harry & Merlin) those 3 are just these ones:
Harry - 1 = ?
Harry - 2 = ?
Harry - 3 = Kemmler
... Dafuq?
That's the entire list of Wardens who aren't Harry or Merlin??!?
One way or another, it looks like there's some discrepancies to be accounted for... or fannish thinking to be adjusted.
Or else Jim has changed his mind (or misunderstood timeframes and answered a different question than we think, or somesuch).