And I wanted him to have a chat with Sarissa. Might be interesting
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
I think it's funny that some of us are complaining about what was left out of the books while others (and sometimes the same ones) are complaining that there was too much going on.
I thought him and Ivy not even making eye contact was odd. Not like it needed to be more then a single line. But he gave her a name for goodness sake. Even if she is trying to put some distance for some reason, I think there would have been something.There is that matter of Harry using Kincaid to kill himself. In one day she was robbed of all her close contacts. She won’t take that lightly. No way to know what she thinks about Harry now.
There is that matter of Harry using Kincaid to kill himself. In one day she was robbed of all her close contacts. She won’t take that lightly. No way to know what she thinks about Harry now.
Lots of little things were left out.IIRC, Harry had two wolves guarding him and so did Butter. I think there was also a line about how Harry didn't go out with werewolves shadowing him. I don't remember the number for that one.
A clear final status for:
- Andy and Marci
(I can't remember which one that's from, but I think it was either the Barnes & Noble chat or the Muskogee Library vid.)I remember it, so it's not Barnes & Noble.
There is that matter of Harry using Kincaid to kill himself. In one day she was robbed of all her close contacts. She won’t take that lightly. No way to know what she thinks about Harry now.
That happened some time ago, and I am sure she may have known from the beginning. But is she mad at Harry, who was suffering? Or at Kincaid, who happily went along with it for a big payday? Now he is an adult, not a stranger to killing, all he had to do was say, "no" to Harry, and Harry's plans would have been thwarted.
She knew.
“In the chest, Kincaid,” Ivy said.
If you’re shooting at someone, you’ve already decided to kill him. There’s no reason to shoot him anywhere other than the head, if you can. And I can.
She took a step toward me, maybe ninety pounds of furious, tearful eyes and newly-filled-out lips pulled away from a snarl. “In the chest. Or face me.”
I thought about asking her why. But in the end, it didn’t really matter. She had the power to stop me, for good. And she would use it if I didn’t comply. A chest shot might give the wizard time to throw a death curse at me, if he changed his mind.
It was a less risky proposition than going up against the Archive herself, here, now.
I gave her a small bow.
She returned it. Then she stepped aside, so that I could walk to the door.
“I’ll be back in two days,” I said.
“Kincaid,” Ivy said quietly.
I paused at the door.
“He’s my only other friend,” she said.
it's ivy giving him the cold shoulder that makes me think she'll be back to try to woo him lol. Idk, something about it... Like a kid with a crush whose none too cooth about what to do about it and way too nervous to openly confront it.
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
Apparently the story takes place right after Changes, when Kincaid get's back from shooting Harry.
Here is what goes down;
She seems pissed that he shot Harry in the chest and not the head. I guess because Harry wanted to die, and Kincaid agreed to do it, and he didn't go for the sure kill shot. She apparently also knows that Harry still lives because she says "He's my only other friend," not that he was her only other friend.
You have it backwards. Ivy was telling Kincaid (who was on his way to Chicago to kill Harry) that if he Didn't shoot him in the chest she'd throw down with him.You're right, my bad..
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Similarly, I am surprised Harry didn't wonder where Kinkaid was. I don't think he knows Ivy fired him because of him. And it's like he totally forgot about Kinkaid (not even thinking on him when meeting Drakul).
As this is about the topic, I repeat a post I did in other place:
"Also, TCF posted the transcription of an interview with Jim and he answers the question about Ivy. I post it here under a spoiler tag, so people can choose if read it or not (not everyone wants to know WoJ)"(click to show/hide)
Yes, that makes sense, I even said as much, but it is still a disappointment.
it's ivy giving him the cold shoulder that makes me think she'll be back to try to woo him lol.Please no.
I think it's funny that some of us are complaining about what was left out of the books while others (and sometimes the same ones) are complaining that there was too much going on.
Both complaints are accurate. There was too much “battle, battle, battle” and not enough actual character development.
The books were weak.
As long as we're listing things Peace Talks/Battleground seem missing, Where was the Leanansidhe? All the fey turn out, from the Gobblin King to both courts of the Sidhe, to all the local wild fey. Basically everyone, EXCEPT the one fey whomis said to be stronger than all save Mab. Why? What gives there? That extra punch might have saved lives. Where was she?
There is that matter of Harry using Kincaid to kill himself. In one day she was robbed of all her close contacts. She won’t take that lightly. No way to know what she thinks about Harry now.
JB obviously had an agenda for how how the suicide when down, his world so his right to play it his way.
Harry asked Molly to use Neuromancy KNOWING that it will harm her, KNOWING that it violated her probation, KNOWING that his death also means hers, KNOWING that she loves him and this will TEAR HER UP inside yet that's his first choice. He chooses Murphy's mantoy, Lily's only other "family" member as the tool. I was kind of hoping Lily would tell him where he could go and what he could do with himself when he got there. Molly deserves SO much better then Harry too.
Did you mean Ivy, and if you did I upvote this by a 1000.
Harry asked Molly to use Neuromancy KNOWING that it will harm her, KNOWING that it violated her probation, KNOWING that his death also means hers, KNOWING that she loves him and this will TEAR HER UP inside yet that's his first choice. He chooses Murphy's mantoy, Ivy's only other "family" member as the tool. I was kind of hoping Ivy would tell him where he could go and what he could do with himself when he got there. Molly deserves SO much better then Harry too.
1) I have been discussed for year that "you don't invade the mind of others" is not the same as "you cannot enter in another's mind if they are willing". So, I don't think that violated her probation.Yes, and they had been violating that law for some time with their mental sparing.. If they hadn't done that the Corpsetaker would have had Molly's body.
2) Molly would be seriously hurt (specially being as sensitive as she is), sad and guilty, but Harry was in a place too dark to realize that. It is not uncommon for suicides in the real world to seriously understimate their importance in other people's lives. I don't think that make them bad people, only too damaged.
3) He did not know that Ivy would know that Kinkaid was involved. How many people do you think Harry could have used instead?No, the reason he had Molly wipe his mind in the first place was so Mab wouldn't be tipped off and stop him. Apparently he misjudged because Ivy got the message, insisted on a chest shot, possible chance for survival, instead of a head shot, no chance for survival, and possibly tipped off Mab because she was waiting in the water with open arms.
4) Harry is a very traumathized man who is trying who do his best. Molly is an actual warlock who is also trying to do her best. I don't think she is so much deserving that him.Indeed.
"his death also means hers". What? It is clear that is was not what happened. Also
1) I have been discussed for year that "you don't invade the mind of others" is not the same as "you cannot enter in another's mind if they are willing". So, I don't think that violated her probation.
2) Molly would be seriously hurt (specially being as sensitive as she is), sad and guilty, but Harry was in a place too dark to realize that. It is not uncommon for suicides in the real world to seriously understimate their importance in other people's lives. I don't think that make them bad people, only too damaged.
3) He did not know that Ivy would know that Kinkaid was involved. How many people do you think Harry could have used instead?
4) Harry is a very traumathized man who is trying who do his best. Molly is an actual warlock who is also trying to do her best. I don't think she is so much deserving that him.
The point is, he asked her, she agreed, her choice, she was an adult at the time. When was Kincaid ever Murphy's mantoy?Dead beat. Harry took care of the plants while Murphy and Kincaid went to Hawaï.
Yes, and they had been violating that law for some time with their mental sparing.. If they hadn't done that the Corpsetaker would have had Molly's body.They were not. The sparring was not an invasion. The mutual consent is what makes the difference.
Very wise, and very true, a suicide really isn't responsible for his or her actions, they cannot see beyond their own acute pain.No, the reason he had Molly wipe his mind in the first place was so Mab wouldn't be tipped off and stop him. Apparently he misjudged because Ivy got the message, insisted on a chest shot, possible chance for survival, instead of a head shot, no chance for survival, and possibly tipped off Mab because she was waiting in the water with open arms.Indeed.
He would have to possess clairvoyance at the time to know Carlos would slow walk the order to execute but the Council did order her execution because of Harry's death.
They were not. The sparring was not an invasion. The mutual consent is what makes the difference.So it was when Harry suicided..
Dead beat. Harry took care of the plants while Murphy and Kincaid went to Hawaï.Oh right, forgot about that, but all the same I wouldn't call Kincaid Murphy's mantoy.. Any more than she was his girltoy.. That is totally disrespectful to both, who were adults, and enjoyed each other's company for a time.
Suicides don't think things through, they cannot see beyond their own pain. They may think they are thinking things though, but their judgement is clouded by their severe emotional pain. Harry's thinking here cannot be seen as rational, because it wasn't because in that moment his mind was very sick ...
I growled as a column of pure rage rose up my spine and made my voice rough. “I will make Maggie safe. If the world burns because of that, then so be it. Me and the kid will roast some marshmallows.”Which is well before he breaks his back and the fallen monkey with him. Pretty clearly Jim is signalling that Harry would do anything including throwing Molly under the bus. And Jim has Uriel spell it out in Ghost Story.
“I believe that when you went after your daughter, you said something about letting the world burn. That you and your daughter would roast marshmallows.” I nodded bleakly. “It is one thing for you to say, ‘Let the world burn.’ It is another to say, ‘Let Molly burn.’ The difference is all in the name.”An Ethicist might question Molly's ability to give informed consent given the power differential between them. Since he was her teacher and her crush. And the fact that his friends shielded her wouldn't have changed the fact that the threat would have always been there. Mab sums it up in Cold Days
Butcher, Jim. Ghost Story (The Dresden Files, Book 13) (p. 555). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
“Consider,” Mab said, “that I have done something for her that you never could have.” “What’s that, exactly?”And I'm gone.
“I have put her beyond the reach of the White Council and their Wardens,” Mab said, again as if explaining something to an idiot. “While they might howl and lecture as much as they wish about an apprentice wizard, they can do nothing at all to the Winter Lady.” I took a deep breath. That . . . was also true.
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 511). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Suicides don't think things through, they cannot see beyond their own pain. They may think they are thinking things though, but their judgement is clouded by their severe emotional pain. Harry's thinking here cannot be seen as rational, because it wasn't because in that moment his mind was very sick and to make matters worse there was one of the Fallen cheering him on to guarantee he'd do the job.
Suicides don't think things through, they cannot see beyond their own pain.Sure and red court half vampires don't think things through, they can not see beyond their bloodlust.
They may think they are thinking things though, but their judgement is clouded by their severe emotional pain. Harry's thinking here cannot be seen as rational, because it wasn't because in that moment his mind was very sick and to make matters worse there was one of the Fallen cheering him on to guarantee he'd do the job. So it was when Harry suicided..So it was but the white council's laws are not everything.
Oh right, forgot about that, but all the same I wouldn't call Kincaid Murphy's mantoy.. Any more than she was his girltoy.. That is totally disrespectful to both, who were adults, and enjoyed each other's company for a time.Yes it implies a verdict about the quality of their relation and we know nothing about that. Jim promised us a short story about those two in Hawai.
@DinaI rate Ghost story far above battle ground. It has things like plot, world building, characterizations and wonderful dialog. It is not just one big battle.
Ghost Story isn't on my list of favorites either. Cold Days pretty much ended the series for me. It tied up a lot of loose ends from the first half of the books. And I can't get too vested going forward since I don't think I can get to the end. There's a really good book inside Peace Talks and Battle Ground but it's buried under a lot of dross.
After SG, a lot of my love for the DF was back. And now, after BG, I am finally beginning to want to reread the whole series. It will take me a long time, though, because I decided to reread the duology first. I am on chapter 12 of PT, so about 1/6 of the total.I seldom reread everything at once. I usually pick favorite scenes and Ghost story has a few of them.
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
This one also bugged me quite a bit over the course of the two books. Didn't understand it at all.
And as friends both Harry and Kincaid have betrayed Ivy.
In what way? Betrayal suggests that it was a deliberate attempt to hurt her. What they did was between them, what they are guilty of is indifference. She was the last person Harry would think of in his pain, suicides don't think of others, only their own pain. Kincaid saw it only as a job that would make him some pocket money. Kincaid is a killer, that is what he does, thinking that killing Harry would hurt Ivy, never entered his mind.Pocket money? Nah, Kincaid was repaying a favor.
In what way? Betrayal suggests that it was a deliberate attempt to hurt her. What they did was between them, what they are guilty of is indifference. She was the last person Harry would think of in his pain, suicides don't think of others, only their own pain. Kincaid saw it only as a job that would make him some pocket money. Kincaid is a killer, that is what he does, thinking that killing Harry would hurt Ivy, never entered his mind.I think it did cross Kincaid’s mind, he is not stupid, but he could not refuse. Harry called in a debt. It did not cross Harry’s mind that he would hurt Ivy as suicides often do not get that they are betraying people by leaving them.
In what way? Betrayal suggests that it was a deliberate attempt to hurt her. What they did was between them, what they are guilty of is indifference. She was the last person Harry would think of in his pain, suicides don't think of others, only their own pain. Kincaid saw it only as a job that would make him some pocket money. Kincaid is a killer, that is what he does, thinking that killing Harry would hurt Ivy, never entered his mind.
I disagree, Mira. Kinkaid did not want to do the killing ,he did it because he owned Harry and perhaps because he agreed with him. Being dead was better than become a monster, and none of them had faith in Harry keeping his humanity after becoming a WK. So I think Kinkaid actually wanted to help Harry, perhaps humanity and...Ivy herself, who would be disappointed if Harry changed and became a monster.
You could be right, but that wasn't Eb's take on him in Blood Rites. Now Eb could be wrong, hopefully he is wrong about the White Court, but he seemed to have the same hate for Kincaid. The question then becomes, why?Because Eb has a very strong opinion about the monsters. All of them.
Indifference is a betrayal too. What did Mab say about hate and love? She thinks logic is the opposite but it actually is indifference / apathy.
I think you may be right, the Archive is isolating herself but a) that does not explain why Harry didn't react to her, with a smile or something. b) we know Harry will reach her at some point :). He will bypass her "walls".Because Harry feels guilty and not without reason. That makes it difficult to decide how to interact which leads to avoidance which is wrong but all too human.
I'm still betting the archive itself has a mechanism to ensure its survival by procreation... And the only healthy male she has any connection to that didn't raise her is Harry..
Doubtful. If the Archive needs to find someone, she has all of Tinder in her head.ivy doesn't want all of tender, she wants someone who cares about her.
He mentions trying to catch her eye in PT, but she wouldn't look at him. I'd say she's just avoiding him because:
A) The Archive doesn't want to interact with him because The Archive has to remain neutral, and Harry has a tendency to pull people into his messes.
B) Ivy doesn't want to interact with him because she really freaking mad that he had Kincaid kill him.
Like, poor Ivy really has it rough. Harry needs to be better to his friends.
Like, poor Ivy really has it rough. Harry needs to be better to his friends.
ivy doesn't want all of tender, she wants someone who cares about her.
Or C) she has a simple crush and now that she's past puberty she doesn't know how to interact with him. Occam's razor. Shes never minded Harry's mess before, and she wanted Harry to live. She was mad at kincaid. What reason would she be mad at Harry for his own choice to die? Mmm, same reason ppl are often mad in RL, because they cared.
If it were just up to Ivy? Yes, but she is the Archive, and to care, is the road to insanity. I bet the Archive felt Ivy's pain and proceeded to remove her from the rest of the emotional world.that would mean it's decided by who has the final say, Ivy or the archive? If Ivy didn't have some pull, then she wouldn't be mortal still and offering her a coin was a particularly useless plan.
that would mean it's decided by who has the final say, Ivy or the archive? If Ivy didn't have some pull, then she wouldn't be mortal still and offering her a coin was a particularly useless plan.
I'd rather disagree with most of those statements.
And I still by and large disagree with most of your original statements.So what do you disagree with? And what are your ideas.
So what do you disagree with? And what are your ideas.sorry... My face is on fire from my tooth and I'm having trouble with coherent thoughts atm, I'll come back later. agony, pure unadulterated agony. Dumbledore drinking the green potion kinda agony...
And I still by and large disagree with most of your original statements.
sorry... My face is on fire from my tooth and I'm having trouble with coherent thoughts atm, I'll come back later. agony, pure unadulterated agony. Dumbledore drinking the green potion kinda agony...
Right with you, especially the head shot vs body shot, but it is entirely possible that Ivy has far more important matters at play than Harry.
sorry... My face is on fire from my tooth and I'm having trouble with coherent thoughts atm, I'll come back later. agony, pure unadulterated agony. Dumbledore drinking the green potion kinda agony...As Mira says, hope you can find a dentist soon. Meanwhile, I've found that having a couple of powdered aspirines appplied in the hurting tooth helps with the pain. Even better if you just use the tooth to chew a couple of aspirines, but sometimes it hurts too much to chew anything.
So it seems that Ivy has grown up, she has become "The Archive." Any pain she may have felt emotionally by Harry's suicide or Kincaid's assistance, she has removed herself except for on final request/order to Kincaid, make it a chest shot [possible survival] instead of a head shot, [most likely certain death.] Ivy knows both were her only friends, but the Archive knows she cannot have any friends.
@The_Sibelis Hope you get well soonShe was there. She was giving an overview of the situation when Harry arrived.
Does anyone remember if Ivy was at the post battle meeting? The Council wasn't but I don't remember anything about Ivy.
She was there. She was giving an overview of the situation when Harry arrived.
I think that having a front row seat to her mother's suicide including feeling what she felt would have a far more dramatic effect on Ivy the Harry/Kincaid. It's far more likely that it was only after Harry's death that she found out about it. Harry had his mind wiped by Molly and pretty sure Kincaid had long since learned how to keep his thoughts private. Trust me, the whole head shot vs chest shot from over a mile away is a non-starter. Even Kincaid would never make the mistake of trying that.
I don't understand what you are saying here. That Ivy did not know that her mom killed herself?Of course she knows. She is the archive.
Precisely, that is why I don't know what StrayDog is saying. Unless he is talking about Ivy knowing about Kinkaid and Harry, and if that is the case, well, he clearly has not read "Goodbye".
The conversation up to now has been about Ivy knowing of Harry/Kincaid. My point is that her knowledge of her mother's suicide is far more impactful.
Why? She never knew her mother, while both Harry and Kincaid were the only two people that acknowledged that she even was a human child. Until she met Harry at the age of seven or so she didn't have a name other than, "the Archive." And no, it wasn't a hard shot for Kincaid, he isn't totally human lets not forget. His fear about doing a chest shot is Harry would live long enough to throw his death curse at him.
Pretty much the only thing I agree with there is that Harry named Ivy. JB can write Kincaid so amazingly perfect of an assassin that he can prognosticate all wind currents, bird paths, etc in a mile long ballistic flight but anybody who's done shooting will scream BS. Even JB constantly talks about ballistic flight in combat, same applies.
3,540 metres
A Canadian special forces sniper has broken the world record for the longest confirmed kill shot. The soldier shot an IS militant dead from 3,540 metres, which is just over two miles away, in Iraq last month.Jun 23, 2017
Heck, lee harvey oswald made three shots and had two on target(within a span of seconds) from a block away with one of the most inaccurate rifles available (the bullets were famous for tumbling I'm air) and the previous record before the above one was a little over a mile iirc.What are you talking about? That was the Comedian! :P
*No scope either, he used the iron sights iirc
Hundreds of years practice I'd bet he can do it by feel. Most military snipers can and they don't have nearly the span of time to practice as he had. Heck, lee harvey oswald made three shots and had two on target(within a span of seconds) from a block away with one of the most inaccurate rifles available (the bullets were famous for tumbling I'm air) and the previous record before the above one was a little over a mile iirc.
*No scope either, he used the iron sights iirc
Why? She never knew her mother, while both Harry and Kincaid were the only two people that acknowledged that she even was a human child. Until she met Harry at the age of seven or so she didn't have a name other than, "the Archive." And no, it wasn't a hard shot for Kincaid, he isn't totally human lets not forget. His fear about doing a chest shot is Harry would live long enough to throw his death curse at him.
“Ivy doesn’t,” Luccio agreed. “Her grandmother was killed in a freak accident, an automobile crash, I believe. Her mother was a seventeen-year-old girl who was in love, and pregnant. She hated her mother for dying and cursing her to carry the Archive when she wanted to have her own life—and she hated the child for having a lifetime of freedom ahead of her. Ivy’s mother killed herself rather than carry the Archive.”
I started feeling a little sick. “And Ivy knows it.”
“She does. Knows it, feels it. She was born knowing exactly what her mother thought and felt about her.”
@straydog, considering Kincaid was definitely aiming center mass I don't see your point? However, no. I don't think oswald was, he hit him twice in the head and neck, firing from behind them where his center mass would have been covered by the car.
Oswald is a very poor comparison to be trying to use but please take a comparable weapon, measure a city block, put a target up and see what it looks like. Since when do bullets not pass through cars or seats or walls for that matter. Just because he scored a head shot means nothing about where he was aiming.a tumbling bullet does not penetrate like a rifled round no.. And pretty much any military trained basic rifleman can make a shot on target from a mere block, it's required to pass basic.. idk why your arguing semantics on LHO. Aim small hit small. Got any evidence he wasn't aiming for his head? Cause two, not one but TWO shots to the head are hard to argue against.
Why is nobody arguing the obvious? Kincaid didn't want to kill Harry. He selected the smallest caliber that would get the job done and used and AP round so it would cause minimum damage. If he wanted Harry dead it would have been a 50cal incendiary round. Instead of small hole in, small hole out and even small hole in wall behind, it would have been small hole in and back half of torso splattered against the wall behind.
Aim small hit small.
Clearly JB has memorialized that Ivy [Harry's friend] had made arrangements with Mab [the evil Fae queen that Harry is DESPERATE to get away from] for Kincaid [the assassin Harry contracted to kill Mab's new Winter Knight] to shoot Harry through the heart [a more survivable injury than through the head] so he can fall into the lake where Mab [the evil Fae queen that Harry is DESPERATE to get away from] can save him and then [after 6 months of Harry being literally at death's door] she can take him to the center of her power where he is completely under her control while he recovers from the most compromised physical [and maybe mental] state he probably has ever been in. Guys, I think this part of the conversation has jumped it's shark.
If Ivy had said nothing, done nothing, Harry most likely would have died from a bullet in the head. Sure, surviving and winding up in Mab's clutches isn't the best place for Harry to be, but considering the alternative... Alive and in a bad situation is better than dead and gone. And what else could she really do? The Archive is supposed to be neutral, aware but interfering as little as possible in events outside of the Oblivion War. So my WAG is, Ivy was extremely limited in what she could alter, and changing Kincaid's aim was the absolute limit of what she could do. What happened after wasn't something she could control; she had to have faith in Harry to get through it as well as he could. (I could be wrong, of course, which is why I'm labeling this theory a WAG. YMMV.)But when did the archive tip off Mab? If it was just before the hit Mab would have prevented it. I think she was there just because she was watching her knight.
The notion that Ivy tipped Mab off interesting, but I suspect Mab would have been able to find Harry without it, through the tie of Winter power that binds Knight and Queen. So... it's a possibility, but I'm thinking it's less than likely that Ivy had to contact Mab at all. Again, YMMV.
Didn't talk to Ivy? Yes, I understand she is totally into her Archive role now, but she is still Ivy. I
believe that Ivy still sees Harry as a friend. What I thought was weird, he didn't even give her
a head nod in acknowledgement or vice versa..
TBH I just assumed that Mab was there waiting for it because she expected Harry to try and kill himself to get out of being her Knight because that was very much a Harry thing to do.I do not think she expected it but she was watching him anyway.
There were several occasions when Mab knew what Harry was doing immediately without being there in person. In cold days when Harry wanted to ignore winter law she acted immediately and at the end she indicated that she was waiting for Harry summoning her. He probably could have done that earlier.She added in an explicit no suicides clause to the deal because she was expecting him to go for it right after he got what he wanted.
I do not think she expected it but she was watching him anyway.
Se added in an explicit no suicides clause to the deal because she was expecting him to go for it right after he got what he wanted.And that clause should be enough if he had not arranged it previously.
StrayDog, well, whenever you have time, read "Goodbye". Is a microfiction, it's in the official JB site and it saves you discussion time. In fact, here is the link, just move pass the trailer announcement.
https://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/2020/microfiction-3-con-swap-and-virtual-signing (https://www.jim-butcher.com/posts/2020/microfiction-3-con-swap-and-virtual-signing)
Also, I understand. I have not read Zoo Day, for instance (no money to buy Brief Cases) or the comics (same reason).
Thanks you for posting the link. Seems my contention is with the author who appears to be attempting some retcon as a step for future events. Lowers my impression of his writing of late which makes me sad.It is in line with my thoughts about Kincaid. He can not really refuse to pay of a debt.
Thanks you for posting the link. Seems my contention is with the author who appears to be attempting some retcon as a step for future events. Lowers my impression of his writing of late which makes me sad.While I agree with you to an extent the shot in Changes was foreshadowed in Blood Rites as well as Kincaid's ability to make the shot. Harry points out that Kincaid must be superhuman since he never misses. Speaking of the fight at Wrigley field Harry says.
"In a fight, just plain folks miss sometimes. Maybe most times. You didn't miss once."Kincaid tells him later how he would do it.
"No. So I'd use a rifle at a thousand yards. The bullet outruns its own sonic boom, and you'd never even hear the shot. You'd be dead before you realized what happened."
You know... While getting shot in the head might have made harry more dead than he was, it wouldn't necessarily stop him from coming back.. so what if Ivy was actually worried about the thing growing inside that brain that could not yet survive independently instead?
You know... While getting shot in the head might have made harry more dead than he was, it wouldn't necessarily stop him from coming back.. so what if Ivy was actually worried about the thing growing inside that brain that could not yet survive independently instead?
While I agree with you to an extent the shot in Changes was foreshadowed in Blood Rites as well as Kincaid's ability to make the shot. Harry points out that Kincaid must be superhuman since he never misses. Speaking of the fight at Wrigley field Harry says. Kincaid tells him later how he would do it.
No, if it made him more dead, then he might have been all dead. Then all Mab could have done was look for loose change. Remember what she said about the spectrum of dead.. Harry was only mostly dead, he never was all dead, he was still slightly alive when he hit the water, Mab and the cold she most likely cranked up kept him from bleeding out and his shock under control till she got him to Demonreach.
It is undeniable that Kincaid can make the shot being a scion and all. That was never the question. Would have been more believable to me to give Kincaid the ability to kinetically tweek the bullet in flight.Jim leaves room for the imagination, he supplies the foundation, your imagination supplies the tweak.
No, if it made him more dead, then he might have been all dead.we don't even know what all dead IS. Corpse taker got shot in the face, she could still try to make a comeback.
we don't even know what all dead IS. Corpse taker got shot in the face, she could still try to make a comeback.
No, if it made him more dead, then he might have been all dead. Then all Mab could have done was look for loose change. Remember what she said about the spectrum of dead.. Harry was only mostly dead, he never was all dead, he was still slightly alive when he hit the water, Mab and the cold she most likely cranked up kept him from bleeding out and his shock under control till she got him to Demonreach.She could make another body available.
we don't even know what all dead IS. Corpse taker got shot in the face, she could still try to make a comeback.It's a state implied and inferred in the Dresden Files but not actually seen.
She could make another body available.
I think that is beyond even Mab's talents.Corps taker could do it.
Why? She never knew her mother, while both Harry and Kincaid were the only two people that acknowledged that she even was a human child. Until she met Harry at the age of seven or so she didn't have a name other than, "the Archive." And no, it wasn't a hard shot for Kincaid, he isn't totally human lets not forget. His fear about doing a chest shot is Harry would live long enough to throw his death curse at him.
But another body wouldn't have Harry's talents. Remember what happened with Luccio. Also, probably not a starborn.from what EB said it's the energy of their existence not necessarily anything in particular about their blood or body that makes a starborn. So though the change in talent/power level might be an issue I don't think it would change his resonant frequency.
The Archive records everything. Why would it not retain host memories?
She should know her mother precisely, and her grandmother, back to the beginning of the Archive.
The Archive records everything. Why would it not retain host memories?
She should know her mother precisely, and her grandmother, back to the beginning of the Archive.
Didn't Luccio say something to that effect when she was explaining why Harry shouldn't get close to Ivy?
"When the Archive is passed. . . Harry, try to imagine living your life, with all of its triumps and tragedies--and suddenly with a second set of memories, every bit as real to you as your own. A second set of heartaches, loves, triumphs, losses. All of them as real--and then a third. And a forth. And a fifth. And more and more and more. The perfect memory, the absolute recall of every Archive that came before you. Five thousand years of them."
"The Archive keeps its host emotionally remote for a reason--because otherwise the passions and prejudices and hatreds and jealousies of thousands of lifetimes have the potential to distill themselves into a single being."
So, I've just reread the scene in PT when Harry first sees Ivy after a long time. I was wrong. He explicitly wonders where Kinkaid is and he tries to catch Ivy's gaze, but with no luck (he says that she did not see him or ignored him, I bet is the latter). So, all makes more sense. Harry is normal, and oblivious of all the pain he brought Ivy and Kinkaid. Ivy is probably avoiding him, probably because she is angry.
And forgive my English, I meant Harry was unaware of the problems his suicide caused between Ivy and Kinkaid. I think he had guessed Ivy did not know about what happened. Still, I said before that Harry is a lousy friend, specially with Ivy. He only needed to write her a not every month or so and things would have been completely different.
Your English is better than mine and English is my first language! Suicides are unaware of the pain they cause others, just their own pain. Harry was isolated from Chicago for a year when Mab would not let him contact anyone, and he was pretty busy the rest of the time, Ivy isn't someone he saw every day, nor Kincaid, so how would he know?He could guess but he was too busy with himself. It is one of his problems.
Still, I said before that Harry is a lousy friend, specially with Ivy. He only needed to write her a not every month or so and things would have been completely different.
On this point I whole heartedly agree!!! The list of examples is very long.
He could guess but he was too busy with himself. It is one of his problems.
Yes, but he was in a coma for six months, then dealing with Maeve, then confined to Demonreach for the next year where Mab practically kept him incommunicado, I think he only got a couple of visits from Thomas and Murphy and those stopped because of the vibes the island was putting off.. Then the events from Skin Game, Maggie coming to live with him, his romance with Murphy, and still trying to manage the mantle. So not saying you are wrong, but at the same time it is understandable as to why he wasn't jotting a note off to Ivy.He could have written sorry in the sand for Ivy.
So for a year and a half, he couldn't communicate even if he wanted to. Then there was that little crisis with Maeve, the one that could have blown up Chicago and beyond, and the events of Skin Game and learning to live with a ten year old child you really don't know. I guess you could say he was too busy with himself..
Yes, but he was in a coma for six months, then dealing with Maeve, then confined to Demonreach for the next year where Mab practically kept him incommunicado, I think he only got a couple of visits from Thomas and Murphy and those stopped because of the vibes the island was putting off.. Then the events from Skin Game, Maggie coming to live with him, his romance with Murphy, and still trying to manage the mantle. So not saying you are wrong, but at the same time it is understandable as to why he wasn't jotting a note off to Ivy.
So for a year and a half, he couldn't communicate even if he wanted to. Then there was that little crisis with Maeve, the one that could have blown up Chicago and beyond, and the events of Skin Game and learning to live with a ten year old child you really don't know. I guess you could say he was too busy with himself..
I can only think of a few reasons for him to have not contacted her.
1. He didn't consider his actions impact on her.
2. He did and was avoiding owning up to it.
3. He assumed she knew he was alive because she's the Archive and didn't think he needed to say anything.
I don't think any of these reflect well on Harry. I don't think that his plate was full was an excuse. He had plenty of time to write her a quick note. I do understand why he would avoid it. Shame is a powerful emotion.
Your English is better than mine and English is my first language! Suicides are unaware of the pain they cause others, just their own pain. Harry was isolated from Chicago for a year when Mab would not let him contact anyone, and he was pretty busy the rest of the time, Ivy isn't someone he saw every day, nor Kincaid, so how would he know?Not true, but thank you :)
I don't think it ever occurred to him that he meant that much to Ivy.I think SmF says otherwise.
However if you believe Luccio, the fact that Harry didn't write to her, which could be called distancing himself, would be the best for Ivy.Again, I think SmF shows Harry disagrees.
Also in the settings they were in, the Archive is seen and must be seen as a neutral force, so even saying "hi" to Harry could be misinterpreted as favoritism by other Accord members.I'm not talking about them interacting at the peace talks. I'm talking about Harry never saying anything to her after he came back from the dead.
But about the rest of the comments, I may understand Harry being isolated of some friends but Ivy is the worse case. I see no reason not to write her a note every few weeks. I mean, it is true that perhaps he did not realize how that would be important for Ivy, but that makes him well, not very bright, and frankly insensitive.
This is something that I have also felt. More so with the last two books. My desire each time I dig into a DF book is that this is the one Harry will have that epiphany which grows him out of what I hope is immatureness and into .... well better. We are 17 books into his character development and JB is closer to writing a narcissistic villain than a flawed Batman/Spiderman type hero.
I don't think that will happen, simply because Harry is a parent now. He wants to be a good parent, he also has Michael mentoring him on that subject. A good parent cannot be immature nor narcissistic. Reread Christmas Eve.
Thank you for the advise on rereading but I already have several times and am still allowed to have/express my counter opinion.
Of course, as do we all, and you still could be right about how Harry turns out in the end. However it is very clear in Christmas Eve, that Harry wants to be a good parent to Maggie. It is also clear that Michael is his role modal as to what a good father should be and how one should act. Parents everywhere are flawed human beings, but a consistently good parent, isn't immature nor narcissistic.
It may happen sometimes, but they fight it. Harry knows it isn't all about him, he wants to bring joy to little Maggie so he continues the frustrating job of the bike assembly and finds the reward there. It isn't just Murphy's death that he is grieving, it is for all those who had died and got hurt. He felt their pain when they fought under his banner, he felt their deaths, I believe that too has changed him.. Yes, he will always be a smart ass, because that is who he is, a smart ass, however I think we will find him less immature in the future applying it. He is all about his daughter, he knows he has been arrogant, he knows it isn't all about him, and he is striving to do better.. So maybe you don't have hope for Harry, but I do, or have hope that he is headed in the right direction.
I don't imagine any parent wanting to be a bad parent, every one wants to be the best there is. If they are insane, would they know it? The "Hero's Journey" is always to goal of every author too. My point is that JB seems a bit long in having Harry come to that important realization in his life where he understands that his attitude is only cool to him, ie he succeeds in spite of his mouth, not because of it. Michael is a good role model, has Michael been taken by Nemesis though?
A lot of work. That is one of my reasons for hating Maggie's existence. She has changed Harry (as she should). As Mira says, he is now more mature and less narcissistic. He is becoming a better man. But one that is less fun to read about.
I don't think Michael is nemfected either. In fact, I suspect that the fact that Molly can enters the home is a hint that she is not nemfected.
I am wondering if there is a way to detect nemfections. Soulgazes? the Sight? Mouse? Can any of those detect it?
The story takes place during Changes. Ivy tells Kincaid to shoot Dresden in the chest or she'll come for him. She did that so that Harry had a chance.Yes, but not 'a chance'. She's the Archive. She would know how Mab and Boney would respond.
First, I understood that Justine lived in a building, with several apartments and presumably people living in them. But besides that, who says there was a person in the street, or in another house? We don't know how big of the range, right? I mean, how close needs to be the summoner from its summoning. I think if it was so easy, Eb would have realized that much before Harry.
I agree about 1 and yes, Harry Sighted the doorman, he was clean. I don't think an outsider can summon another outsider.But an infected or possessed mortal probably can.