It flat outright says Mab had a plan for bringing Moly in, that she did it, and she planned it.

at this point the only reason I can think of for having the gatekeeper fix LC was because Mab told him too.. he was acting as her agent.

ya see ?


Actually, I've been wondering about that WoJ since Cold Days came out myself. I was hoping to get your feeling at some point on whether the Summer Fire attack on the Winter Wellspring was part of Mab's plan or Nemesis'.

As for the rest, have you considered that even if Molly's kidnapping was part of Mab's plan, Harry's rescue attempt maybe wasn't? I mean, when you think about it, I could see many more advantages for Mab in keeping Molly rather than letting her go.
- It would be easy to threaten her with revealing her crimes against the Law to the Council. She'd be the equivalent of Elaine, owing favors to Winter, being shaped by them, and being prepared for her future role as Lady.
- It would be a heck of a thing to hold over Harry's head. He likely would have been more than willing to take on the Winter Knight position much earlier in order to get Molly back from Mab.

In your view, what advantage does Mab get from allowing Molly to be rescued? I can only think of three, and to be honest, they all seem much weaker reasons to let her go than the two alternatives for keeping her I listed above.
1. Mab would not want to make enemies with the WG's forces. Considering that the first time we meet Lea, she was part of a scheme to unmake the strongest Sword of the Cross, that doesn't really sound like Winter to me.
2. Mab figured having an apprentice would make Harry level up faster, for lack of a better term. This is something Harry himself mentions in White Night, so it's possible.
3. Keeping Molly with Harry instead of with Winter kept her out of Maeve and Nemesis' crosshairs. I think if Mab had a reason for wanting to Molly rescued, it would have to be this one.

Is there something I'm missing?

well .. what I believe..is that Mab kidnapped Moly because she has a plan for molly, and she needed to get molly to AT in such a way that nemesis would not realize how important molly was.

of course, im the nut who think Mab hid LC from Harry in TC, to force him to go to demon reach, because she had plan later that required using demon reach and harry as part of a trap for her enemies.

now if only she could lure them into direct action.. by say letting her knight be killed...

rather then re write the whole thing out, have a link:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.0.html

hi Lurker !


two thoughts:

In the DF, as far as we know, the other potential universes don't collapse- they continue to exist. That's why even someone who can see the future, like Mab, can't be 100% correct- there are two many possible future universes.

second, the idea that just because people face the exact same decision again they will make the exact same choice is probably a bit off too. Uriel says most people are predictable, but some aren't. In the zillions and zillions of decisions made in that time loop, all it would take would be a few key ones off to throw the loop out of loop.

its the monkeys writing Shakespeare problem, except this time we would need the exact same monkey to write the exact same page. 

OR, JB didn't mention TTH because it's going to be a surprise later.  He's not going to say "Ask yourself why Mab had Time-Travellin' Harry bring Molly in.".  And why would she chose Molly at that point?  Not because Harry and Molly were already so close.  But maybe because TTH demanded it, so Mab took an interest in her.

ya see ?   

that's.. unique. It gets a medal for the virtue of having never been tried before.

Perhaps Mab then, as her proxy.

that may have been suggested once or twice

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452190.html#msg1452190

 

Cool idea but then we would need a good head and shoulders picture of MAB (and just for fun Titania)

just hit google for winter queen. there are tons

Odin in CD.

Okies, thanks.

me still talking about energy tho.

--- later in the conversation----
Is it possible Merlin wasn't just in 3 or 4 dimensions when he built DR?

yup.

kind of what ive been saying, I don't think he traveled in time at all

no, in a stable time loop the event creates itself.

TT Harry fixed LC -> Harry Time travels - > TT harry fixes LC

and I don't believe that possible because it violates conservation

its often called the ontological paradox.