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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Griffyn612 on October 03, 2020, 08:47:42 PM
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Let's say we're Harry & Co. What does the BFS do, and who joins and does what?
Headquarters
Castle Dresden
Building Uses
- Guest rooms.
- Babysitting service.
- Training facility.
- Armory.
Group Services
Potential Members and Associates
- Harry Dresden
- Waldo Butters
- Will Borden
- Georgia Borden
- Andi
- Marci
- Father Forthill
- Michael Carpenter
- Charity Carpenter
- Fitz
- Mac
- Thomas Raith (eventually)
- Henry Rawlins
- Barry Tilly
- Elaine Mallory
- Abby (assuming she lived)
- Olivia
- Detective Bradley
- O'Toole (SI)
- Jason Lamar
- Mortimer Lindquist [Bad Alias]
- Lydia Stern & the staff of the Midwestern/Chicago Arcane [Bad Alias]
- Paranoid Gary [Bad Alias]
- Toot, Lacuna, and the Za Lord Guard[Bad Alias]
- The Pounder family [Bad Alias]
Presumed Not Eligible Due To Conflict of Interest
- Sigrun Gard
- Helen Beckitt
- Rudolph
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Actions:
Work closely with S.I. (Maybe all of Chicago P.D. and other mortal authorities now).
Broad based supernatural P.I. services.
Recruit and train practitioners. Low level and Council level because Harry's now in competition with the White Council. Might as well steal/indoctrinate their recruits before they get the chance. If a Council level talent learned the various areas of the art from subject matter experts, they might end up way better trained than the traditionally trained Council members.
Networking.
Rehabilitate warlocks.
Members:
Mort
Genosa (to make non-pornographic propaganda)
The Pounders
Valmont?
The staff of the Arcane (which sounds like a cool name for some legendarily powerful wizard's staff)
Toot
Paranoid but not wrong Gary
The new monarch of the Twyleth Teg
The kid from Zoo Day
Can you imagine how the Council would react if Harry worked openly with the authorities and the press, recruited wizard level talents, sheltered warlocks, and had two bases of operation that were at least as hard to breach as Edinburgh?
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The warlock bit is tricky though, fine line between a kid simply making a mistake out of ignorance, with a new born talent and one who has made a habit of it. The former can be redeemed the later cannot and the Merlin was right about them.
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Sure. You'd have to be careful. But I think Harry has a tool that the Council never used. Imprison every warlock you intend to rehabilitate in Demonreach so they know the suffering they have caused. Teaching Molly that what she did was wrong was one of the hardest things for Harry to get across to her because she was "helping." Once a warlock's been imprisoned in Demonreach, they're probably much more likely to live a virtuous life.
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Actions:
Work closely with S.I. (Maybe all of Chicago P.D. and other mortal authorities now).
Broad based supernatural P.I. services.
Recruit and train practitioners. Low level and Council level because Harry's now in competition with the White Council. Might as well steal/indoctrinate their recruits before they get the chance. If a Council level talent learned the various areas of the art from subject matter experts, they might end up way better trained than the traditionally trained Council members.
Networking.
Rehabilitate warlocks.
Members:
Mort
Genosa (to make non-pornographic propaganda)
The Pounders
Valmont?
The staff of the Arcane (which sounds like a cool name for some legendarily powerful wizard's staff)
Toot
Paranoid but not wrong Gary
The new monarch of the Twyleth Teg
The kid from Zoo Day
Can you imagine how the Council would react if Harry worked openly with the authorities and the press, recruited wizard level talents, sheltered warlocks, and had two bases of operation that were at least as hard to breach as Edinburgh?
I'm updating slowly but surely. I'm not sure about Genosa, Valmont, or others not in town. Elaine was included because she's been to town and worked with some of them before and is likely to contribute.
The Twyg, I'm not sure they'd enter a formal alliance with an informal faction in Marcone's official territory.
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Sure. You'd have to be careful. But I think Harry has a tool that the Council never used. Imprison every warlock you intend to rehabilitate in Demonreach so they know the suffering they have caused. Teaching Molly that what she did was wrong was one of the hardest things for Harry to get across to her because she was "helping." Once a warlock's been imprisoned in Demonreach, they're probably much more likely to live a virtuous life.
Georgia is training to be a psychologist, she would be a good choice to help the kids in a Demonreach to rehabilitate, and to help those not so far gone through the BFS. I would expect the Paranetters to help identify major talents early to allow them to be taught before they go off the rails, so there should be less as a consequence. Basically Harry is in the position to compete with the White Council in North America, but nowhere else yet.
This means at some point the North American Wizards will need to choose.
You left out money. Harry is likely to use at least some of his diamonds (and probably Murphy’s) to endow the BFS, and I do believe that someone like paranoid Gary who is a low grade oracle can make outstanding investment decisions. Frankly if Harry let’s a Paranetter make investments for him, he may soon amass a fortune which would allow him to make serious investments, like taking control of a local pizza delivery chain, which would indeed make him the Za Lord.
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Georgia is training to be a psychologist, she would be a good choice to help the kids in a Demonreach to rehabilitate, and to help those not so far gone through the BFS. I would expect the Paranetters to help identify major talents early to allow them to be taught before they go off the rails, so there should be less as a consequence. Basically Harry is in the position to compete with the White Council in North America, but nowhere else yet.
This means at some point the North American Wizards will need to choose.
You left out money. Harry is likely to use at least some of his diamonds (and probably Murphy’s) to endow the BFS, and I do believe that someone like paranoid Gary who is a low grade oracle can make outstanding investment decisions. Frankly if Harry let’s a Paranetter make investments for him, he may soon amass a fortune which would allow him to make serious investments, like taking control of a local pizza delivery chain, which would indeed make him the Za Lord.
South too- the man who freed them from the Red Court? The Paranet is def among groups who moved in.
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Is Tera necessary, or can the Alphas teach their talent on their own?
They were vanilla before.
An army of werewolves- or even justcteaching all the minor Paranet talents
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Best damn pizza parlor on the roof in the state..
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The Twyg, I'm not sure they'd enter a formal alliance with an informal faction in Marcone's official territory.
They just got owned. They need whatever aid they can get. If nobody else offers them help/aid ... Beggars can't be choosers.
@Conspiracy Theorist: Basically yes.
I didn't touch money because it's so vague as to how much money the diamonds are worth. Trillions, billions, or millions? Also, as Harry has said, money is just a substitute for power. One can get you the other.
I don't think Tera cares enough to join.
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Keep in mind that when Marcone left, he took everything except the walls. furniture all that so the armory is empty and no beds couches etc. Harry has to start from scratch.
Let's say we're Harry & Co. What does the BFS do, and who joins and does what?
Headquarters
Castle Dresden
Building Uses
- Guest rooms.
- Babysitting service.
- Training facility.
- Armory.
Group Services
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Is Tera necessary, or can the Alphas teach their talent on their own?
They were vanilla before.
An army of werewolves- or even justcteaching all the minor Paranet talents
They need to establish a Fraternity/Sorority House for new werewolves at the university, Lambda Alpha Lambda (for wolves in sheep’s clothing). Georgia’s parents are loaded, and the Alphas have been traditionally guardians of those who award Sheepskins.
With the Paranet a lot of minor practitioners are going to choose Chicago for college, so you are going to get recruits across the US.
The Alphas were all minor practitioners whose talents bent this way, they probably all recognised each other on a subconscious level (pack mentality). They have independently of Tera learnt to speedheal themselves from some injuries, so they can probably teach having learnt from the real thing.
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Keep in mind that when Marcone left, he took everything except the walls. furniture all that so the armory is empty and no beds couches etc. Harry has to start from scratch.
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That's what those diamonds are for.
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They need to establish a Fraternity/Sorority House for new werewolves at the university, Lambda Alpha Lambda (for wolves in sheep’s clothing). Georgia’s parents are loaded, and the Alphas have been traditionally guardians of those who award Sheepskins.
With the Paranet a lot of minor practitioners are going to choose Chicago for college, so you are going to get recruits across the US.
The Alphas were all minor practitioners whose talents bent this way, they probably all recognised each other on a subconscious level (pack mentality). They have independently of Tera learnt to speedheal themselves from some injuries, so they can probably teach having learnt from the real thing.
Please provide cite "were all minor practitioners whose talents bent this way." They learned the transformation. It's not clear any of them were minor talents before that I am aware of.
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The huge werewolf population of Chicago would argue otherwise. They are Paranetters which means minor talents, for vanilla mortals the only option is Hexenwulf.
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The warlock bit is tricky though, fine line between a kid simply making a mistake out of ignorance, with a new born talent and one who has made a habit of it. The former can be redeemed the later cannot and the Merlin was right about them.
According to Zoo Day, Mouse seems to be able to do something about the warlock taint.
Harry would still have to be selective, because 1) the Council doesn't know that Mouse can do that and 2) cleaning off the addiction to doing bad things is only helpful insofar as the warlock being rehabilitated doesn't actually want to keep doing more of them.
As for involving Tilly, that's a double-edged issue. If they get him too close, the Librarians are going to assume he's compromised by the supes (WOJ is that they never reached out to Murphy because they thought she was too close).
Tilly is someone they'd probably eventually contact with questions, so long as they don't think he's going to run back to tell Harry about it. Harry's best move is to mostly leave him at arm's length so his account that Harry seems OK in his limited experience will be treated as somewhat objective.
Ideally, pay Tilly a courtesy call to inform him he's back in town after having to lay low, but don't get too close. He's more useful as a potential intermediary to eventually open diplomatic contact with the other Feds than to recruit as an immediate ally.
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Harry really ought to put Mouse out to stud, a real asset for the BFS.
Frankly the world needs more Mouse.
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Harry really ought to put Mouse out to stud, a real asset for the BFS.
Frankly the world needs more Mouse.
As much as I love Mouse being Maggie's bodyguard, I miss him being in the fight with Harry. He is an awesome fighter.
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The huge werewolf population of Chicago would argue otherwise. They are Paranetters which means minor talents, for vanilla mortals the only option is Hexenwulf.
Cite, please. This is intrepretive fanon. Alphas never said to have talent- they wanted involvement
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Cite, please. This is intrepretive fanon. Alphas never said to have talent- they wanted involvement
They must have had some low to mid-tier independent potential, to have independently figured out the application of shapeshifting to rough healing that they had as of Aftermath. The shift is a spell; they need some level of power of their own to do it.
There's no indication they were practicing or even aware of their own potential before Tera West found them and taught them, though.
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All humans have potential. This is my core objection. Any human can learn to do magic, recall.
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That's what those diamonds are for.
I think the question is whether Harry splurges on nice stuff or if he falls back into what's familiar and furnishes the castle via Goodwill :)[/list]
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I think the question is whether Harry splurges on nice stuff or if he falls back into what's familiar and furnishes the castle via Goodwill :)[/list]
It must be representative especially if he wants to build a power base. Really he needs a big hall to feast with his private army, the survivors deserve that. He should ask Freydis to furnish that one.
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Harry will want his private quarters away from his business, so he can establish a threshold (the warding is brilliant but Harry would want a threshold as well) which he should be able to do with his daughter living with him.
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Harry really ought to put Mouse out to stud, a real asset for the BFS.
Frankly the world needs more Mouse.
Not that easy, how many Foo Dog bitches are out there? How many are sound? We know from Zoo Day, that some don't turn out so well. Harry will most likely have to contact Tibet or Nepal to find Mouse a mate, then he might have to explain how he came to have a Foo Dog in the first place.. Trust me, breeding dogs responsibly can be a real headache.
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Not that easy, how many Foo Dog bitches are out there? How many are sound? We know from Zoo Day, that some don't turn out so well. Harry will most likely have to contact Tibet or Nepal to find Mouse a mate, then he might have to explain how he came to have a Foo Dog in the first place.. Trust me, breeding dogs responsibly can be a real headache.
He can probably create scions with normal dogs and Harry can arrange that. You have to ask Mouse for consent of course.
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He can probably create scions with normal dogs and Harry can arrange that. You have to ask Mouse for consent of course.
Yes, Mouse might be a bit shy.. ::) Also be careful with scions with other dogs. Now I have no problem with mixes, however some combos are not good and can even be dangerous. Wolf/dog
mixes for example, they are beautiful to be sure, there are exception of course, but many of the wolf hybrids tend to have an aggressive temperament.
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Yes, Mouse might be a bit shy.. ::) Also be careful with scions with other dogs. Now I have no problem with mixes, however some combos are not good and can even be dangerous. Wolf/dog
mixes for example, they are beautiful to be sure, there are exception of course, but many of the wolf hybrids tend to have an aggressive temperament.
But a foo dog/Werewolf mix would be very interesting ;D
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Cite, please. This is intrepretive fanon. Alphas never said to have talent- they wanted involvement
I think there's mention somewhere in the Paranet papers. My brother keeps talking about how learning to shift foreclosed being minor practitioners. He says it's from the Paranet papers, but I don't recall it.
@Mira: Now you've gone and convinced everyone here that Mouse should have a bunch of babies with a wolf! ;)
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I think there's mention somewhere in the Paranet papers. My brother keeps talking about how learning to shift foreclosed being minor practitioners. He says it's from the Paranet papers, but I don't recall it.
@Mira: Now you've gone and convinced everyone here that Mouse should have a bunch of babies with a wolf! ;)
A werewolf! I am sure Marci is available.
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A werewolf! I am sure Marci is available.
That's just wrong.
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That's just wrong.
Why? If Butters is allowed two girlfriends why not Marci two boys. She needs a boy for both her forms to get complete fulfillment.
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The obvious solution is one of the Leansidhes Hounds. A Faerie Hound/Foo
Hybrid would probably work out better than a Labradoodle.
Just please not Abbie’s little Yorkie.
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Why? If Butters is allowed two girlfriends why not Marci two boys. She needs a boy for both her forms to get complete fulfillment.
Mites. See Day Off.
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Mites. See Day Off.
The castle has a lot of magical protections and they can use a circle. Really Harry can handle a few mites anyway.
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I think the question is whether Harry splurges on nice stuff or if he falls back into what's familiar and furnishes the castle via Goodwill :)[/list]
I doubt he'll splurge. I'm a little surprised he said something about "with what money I have left" or something along those lines at the end of Battle Ground. He should have his and Murphys diamonds, which should be a lot even after the weregild to Marcone.
I see him going a frugal but sturdy route. No doubt Michael will know someone in the wood furniture business that will build solid good furniture for a decent price. Because Michael.
And even if he has to buy it, I'm sure he'll get decent stuff. It's no longer about being a poor detective wizard. It's about making a home for his daughter and a sanctuary for the apocalypse.
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He could just break down and ask Mab for his backpay. If she asks why he needs money after all this time, he can say to present a dwelling that upholds the standards of Winter. All the women in Harry's life now are image conscious. Mab and Molly both want him to dress in a more upscale fashion and I'm sure Lara will insist he not live in a hovel for her "visits".
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I doubt he'll splurge. I'm a little surprised he said something about "with what money I have left" or something along those lines at the end of Battle Ground. He should have his and Murphys diamonds, which should be a lot even after the weregild to Marcone.
When you live three or four hundred years, even a couple of socks of diamonds might not finance it. He needs someone who can help him make some good investments.
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[1]When you live three or four hundred years, even a couple of socks of diamonds might not finance it. [2]He needs someone who can help him make some good investments.
1) Yeah, but it can get you to your next pair of socks full of diamonds.
2) Definitely.