There's no rule.

So really, it's up to you.

Personally I'd Compel once per separate problem. A problem could be "you spend four scenes fending off assassination attempts by 10 semi-competent drug addicts" or it could be "a warlock assassin tosses a killing spell at you". As long as it's roughly as dangerous as the cost/benefit of one Compel warrants.

That sounds a decent way of doing it, I think I'll probably steal this method, if that's alright with you?

I'd pay it per scene.

What you're essentially paying him for is the conflict his trouble starts, and the two hitmen are basically part of the same conflict.

Aside from that it's a matter of balance. One of my characters has the 'Insufferable Genius' Trouble, which he plays to a fault (though he will regret it). Naturally this brings up a load of opportunities for compels on that aspect, but it would also mean overloading him with fate points pretty much every time he speaks. This is a bit unfair to the other players, so I've limited the compels on it to once per scene (though exceptional cases are excluded from this). This gives him a decent chance to build up fate points, but also means he's got a limited supply, and of course there are some scenes where he just doesn't get a chance to speak.

What about npcs? Would you allow refinement for those?

Hi again. Since I got such a good response/debate out of the veils question I figured I'd ask about the Sidhe here.

I've got a Naiad sidhe as a major npc in my game but I can't really decide whether to give it sponsored magic, evocation/thaumaturgy (with the caveat that I don't have it use non-faerie magic) or both.

Thoughts?

Float Like a Butterfly: When dodging using your Footwork, spend a fate point to gain a +2 to Fists.

For reference, Footwork is the stunt that lets you dodge using Fists rather than Athletics.

Any good? Should I remove the fate point requirement? I'm of the feeling though that if the fate point requirement is taken away it gives what amounts to a flat +2 to dodging, which is the major part of the Athletics skill, and could be used to give a flat +6/+7 skill in dodging to pure mortal characters, which I hold as (almost) physically impossible.

  The point is she failed.  Her shadow fell in love with Harry and took his side and helped him..  The moment Lasciel's shadow truly becomes Lash, not just Harry's nickname for her, she says pointedly, softly, shaking her head, "She doesn't deserve you.."  So not just Harry scorned Lasciel, but her own shadow did.  Also remember what distressed Lasciel/Lash so much was when her host Harry died, she died.. So the fallen angel's revenge wasn't just on Harry it was on her shadow, Lash as well, both scorned her.

All the examples of whispering Vairelome posted happen after White Night. After Lash has sacrificed herself. After Lasciel's coin was dug up from its place in Harry's basement. Lasciel found out what had happened either at the moment the circle was broken (since Lash is still there she'd have had a link, albeit a weak one) or after she was recovered by Nicodemus (if she was).

No, we have no facts, it is never said that it was, those are merely guesses.  Since Lasciel's shadow had been doing all of the whispering and she got transformed back in White Night, she also got transformed into Lash by her love for Harry.  She became independent of Lasciel, there is evidence shortly after in White Night when she says "all that I can my host..." after Harry plays and just before he digs up the coin and gives to to Father Forthill, that Lash whispered to Harry.  That wasn't Lasciel, we also have the WOJ if you believe him that the only appearance of Lasciel after that was in Changes.

It's not being said that Lash was the one doing the whispering. We're saying that after Lasciel's coin was unburied she became the one to whisper in Harry's ear the depressing thoughts that have already been posted.

Oh Lasciel did appear in Changes and was the whispering shadow we see in GS.  My argument is she is not the one who is whispering anything to Harry in Turn Coat.. There is no evidence of it.

There are educated guesses. The series isn't finished so we can't look back with hindsight, only post our theories from the evidence we have in the released books. This seems like a semi-solid theory to me with decent evidence to back it up.

Except back in Death Masks through to that point in White Night, she was trying to seduce Harry to take up the coin.. He didn't, in the cave in White Night, her shadow tried desperately to get Harry to take up the coin, to save both their lives.  Harry refused.. Then Lasciel becoming Lash, says " she doesn't deserve you."  At that moment the fallen angel Lasciel became the woman scorned.  Not just by Harry, but by her own shadow because of Harry.  At that point she wanted them both dead.  And yeah, revenge is a dish best served cold.. She waited, till Harry reached his lowest point, along with facts he could not argue against.. 1] he was helpless. 2] He was little Maggie's father, while how she got into trouble maybe wasn't his fault, the fact that she was in the world, was.  "And it is all your fault.."  Those are not the words of seduction, those are the words of revenge.

True enough, we're just arguing that Lasciel possibly whispered more than once. Think of it as following a marked path to a river, rather than hoping to find an oasis. Chances are Harry would have found himself at the lowest point he could at some point, and Lasciel would be there, but it's also true that continued whispering would make him more likely to take the course of action that would result in his death. Besides, it fits Lasciel's MO to give subtle nudges every so often, rather than one big strike.

It's a good theory, and fits well with canon. Uriel only had the power to act because the Shadow lied, which it didn't do in those three examples.

Also, it helps to know that Lasciel turned up in the last book, presumably as the Shadow. Lash also turned up and was likely the Parasite that kept Harry's heart going during his out of mortality experience. So we can assume that whispering into Harry's head may not have taken a mental link in order to occur.