Snakeboy’s death curse “die alone!” Will probably mean Harry will never have a long-term romantic relationship. Still, in spite of tremendous bad luck with the ladies and a death curse, Harry STILL has a better love life than Ramirez. Poor Ramirez. Poor, poor Ramirez.
Snakeboy’s death curse “die alone!” Will probably mean Harry will never have a long-term romantic relationship.
The implication of Murphy being dead seems too obvious to be true (although maybe that is just wishful thinking). I'm leaning toward Jim's 'Murphy's funeral' comment being a technically-true-but-misleading one like 'Harry knowing who to offer the swords to' in SmF.
I'm not sure her being a Valkyrie would be an issue for Harry and Murphy. Odin isn't at odds with Winter.
If Murphy goes Valkyrie her life will be as much as her own as Harry’s is as the Winter knight i.e. not at all.
She cannot be one, she isn't a virgin and she is a mortal.Gard starts laughing (read Heorot again)
Gard starts laughing (read Heorot again)Perhaps, and I am aware of that, I read the story, just going by the classic definition of what one is. However consider since Kringle paid a visit, you think he'd have allowed Murphy to be with Harry on Christmas Eve considering how down he seems to be. No, more likely Gard was recruiting her to be a Einherjar, which is a dead warrior who works for/with Odin. They dwell in Valhalla, eat and drink, and are healed of their wounds. When the final battle for the Cosmos comes, they join him in the fight.. So if Murphy is killed and becomes one, we most likely will see her in the BAT.
It fairly obvious, on Christmas Eve as the new girl Murphy has to accompany Kringle on his duties wearing the Elf costume. It actually fits her, which means she would be in the foulest of moods. This is why Gard wanted to recruit her in the first place, she hated that too small costume, and would never have to wear it again.
A cogent lesson in Faustian pacts, read the small print.
Perhaps, and I am aware of that, I read the story, just going by the classic definition of what one is. However consider since Kringle paid a visit, you think he'd have allowed Murphy to be with Harry on Christmas Eve considering how down he seems to be. No, more likely Gard was recruiting her to be a Einherjar, which is a dead warrior who works for/with Odin. They dwell in Valhalla, eat and drink, and are healed of their wounds. When the final battle for the Cosmos comes, they join him in the fight.. So if Murphy is killed and becomes one, we most likely will see her in the BAT.Jim's Einherjar are probably slightly different. You can hire them and they operate in the normal world and seem very much alive.
Jim's Einherjar are probably slightly different. You can hire them and they operate in the normal world and seem very much alive.
I read Jim describing Gard as mortal with benefits and I think the Einherjar are similar. Gard probably has a better package.
But only Jim knows for sure.
A few people wrote how if Murphy was a Valkyrie or Einherjar that Kringle would have brought her along. I’d caution against that belief. As Kringle said, Odin and Kringle are two legal entities with one body. We’ve never seen Gard, the ravens, or any of Odin’s trappings when he’s in his role as Kringle. If Murphy was in Odin’s employ that doesn’t mean he’d bring her along when traveling as Kringle.
As Vadderung says he adapted, so hiring out the Einherjar is part of the deal, it keeps their battle skills updated. Turning up to a firefight with just an axe would be embarrassing.
The Einherjar are all men and waited upon by the Valkyries, which would be interesting if Murphy joined them. It would certainly put the “her” in Einherjar. However Valkyries are depicted in Norse mythology as riding giant wolves and having black wings like an angel. Murphy under the Sight is depicted as a battle worn angel, as Valkyries wait upon the Einherjar, her joining them would be interesting. As regards the giant wolf (TM George RR Martin) Maybe she will ride one of the Alphas into battle, she has worked with them extensively. She does ride a Harley and joined the wild hunt riding a beast. Foreshadowing?
For all we know the Valkyrie and Einherjar double up as Santa’s little helpers, you really, really don’t want to get on the naughty list if that is the case.
One reason we did not see Karen in Christmas Eve is that she is not going to be a stepmother for Maggie. We have not seen her when Maggie was around since Changes.
Not going by that, it is the grief, the PTSD imagery, the flashback Harry has of "blood on the asphalt." Now yes, he could be simply seeing the aftermath of the whole battlefield, however I don't think so.
All of that adds up to a death or deaths of significance to Harry. I can think of three people not present in the story that could bring him that kind of sorrow, Eb, Thomas, and Murphy.
She still would be dead, that may be an issue for both of them.
If Murphy goes Valkyrie her life will be as much as her own as Harry’s is as the Winter knight i.e. not at all.
From what Harry and Molly said, I read it as the battle itself + Harry's guilt at letting Chicago get so badly wrecked with so many deaths.
It's likely that someone we know & Harry cares about will be killed in BG, I just kind of lean against it being Murphy because of the "obviousness" thing. Eb is likely... but maybe also too obvious because of the mentor's death trope.
I don't think Valkyries are dead; I think they're more like Odin's "Knights", mortals given power and potentially a mantle.
Murphy isn’t a typical mortal, she is a former Knight of the Cross, and the White God also looks out for their own, so Valkyrie is a distinct possibility, especially given the four hyper powerful White God artifacts in Harry’s Possession including the true Shroud (which Harry has not even raised with Murphy when discussing magical cures) associated with the Swords. Harry resurrecting Murphy and it turning out different to how he thought it would is just typical of Harry, Murphy alive but them being unable to be together in the biblical sense.
The more powerful the Nemfected entity, the greater the measures required, Lea could be saved, Maeve could not without exposing Mab
In Death Masks, the shroud was a fake, Harry has the real one. I think the set was used 1.the Crown of Thorns to neutralise power like thorn manacles on a much larger scale, 2. The placard to protect the process from Nemesis, 3. Longinus blade to kill part of the white god and let out The Nemesis infection, 4. The grail to neutralise the infection, 5. The Shroud to resurrect the son, recreating the White god in full.
Uriel and company are not that interested in keeping you alive, they are mostly interested in your soul.
I do not think Jim will heal her. There are ways to do it if he really wants to but I think this is his way to pension her off. She will give council, talk to Harry and be his lover but that is it.
Of course Jim can do it. a deal with some powerful Sidhe would do it, no need to deal with coins. Or Harry can throw it in as a price for doing something. Maybe killing a titan under the right circumstances can be utilized to do something, there is a lot of power involved in that.
Listen to wind is a shapeshifter. What he probably can do is magically support her body. Not a long term solution but great for the short time, say until dawn. good for a big suprise. The alpha's can do some healing with their abilities. Listen to wind is better.
But Lea is more powerful than Maeve was...
Lea was fighting the infection at some level. Maeve bought into it.
Snakeboy’s death curse “die alone!” Will probably mean Harry will never have a long-term romantic relationship.
That isn't the point, it didn't matter if it was fake or not, the message was those relics were not meant to be used for healing.Which is strange because in early christianity miracles were essential. It was about demonstrating the power of christ to gain converts.
Exactly, if Murphy dies, he has a job for her soul along side her father.People grow older and sooner or later they accept that. Including very active people, Karen is not different. That is life.
Problem with that Murphy isn't Michael. Where as Michael is happy with God's retirement plan. I don't think Murphy will ever accept it. Her cutting off that cast in the trailer is an example of it. I am not sure that making Murphy a wisdom guru is the best idea for her either.
And always a price, which may be why Murphy isn't helping Harry put that bike together on Christmas Eve.Probably the same reason Michael is not helping Harry to put that bike together. It is Harry's task.
I think that is a reach.. Listen to Wind is a medicine man/shaman and a real medical doctor, most of the treatments we've seen him perform have been standard medical care. The closest to magical "cures" though it was mostly to stop pain was the thing that Eb put on Harry's wrist when it was so badly burned by Mavra back in Blood Rites.. However if it did any healing, it was very little. The Alphas are shape shifters as is Listen to Wind, but it is their own bodies they manipulate not that of others.Listen to wind is not a mere alpha, he could do it if Jim wanted it.
Mab also became aware of the infection in Lea soon enough to treat it, what is more for Lea to still be aware enough to let her treated. In Maeve's case it had just gone too far and had taken over and the only solution for her was death.It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
And always a price, which may be why Murphy isn't helping Harry put that bike together on Christmas Eve.
I think that is a reach.. Listen to Wind is a medicine man/shaman and a real medical doctor, most of the treatments we've seen him perform have been standard medical care. The closest to magical "cures" though it was mostly to stop pain was the thing that Eb put on Harry's wrist when it was so badly burned by Mavra back in Blood Rites.. However if it did any healing, it was very little.
It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
The "will" question is somewhat interesting here since the Fae generally do not have free will.Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature. Vadderung has a very strong will as shown in Changes.
Possibly the issue was that Maeve was born a changeling and thus had some lingering degree of mortal personality under her Fae Mantle, even after the Choice (CD implies that there is a tiny trace left even in Mab...). The nature of the Winter Fae would presumably be absolutely opposed to Nemesis, as they are anti-Outsider, so Lea and Sith fought against it. But Maeve might be a tiny bit less constrained by her nature, so didn't really fight it since it fit her goals.We know that Maeve did not do her job for about 150 years and Molly has to work very hard because of that. I think she kept much of her personality intact. It was just not a nice personality.
Which is strange because in early christianity miracles were essential. It was about demonstrating the power of christ to gain converts.
I'm not sure how much weight we should put on Murphy not being there on Christmas Eve. Even if Harry and Murphy's relationship is intact after PT/BG, I am not sure they would be living together by Christmas. There's only 10 months between SG and "Christmas Eve". Susan and Harry didn't move in together and they were dating longer than that.
And Harry might be more cautious now with Maggie (say if Murphy moved in, Maggie started seeing her as family, and then things went bad...)
People grow older and sooner or later they accept that. Including very active people, Karen is not different. That is life.Or they don't, Murphy has a history of wanting to deal with those kinds of struggles alone, she'd push Harry away big time.
Probably the same reason Michael is not helping Harry to put that bike together. It is Harry's task.No, she isn't helping because she isn't there.
Listen to wind is not a mere alpha, he could do it if Jim wanted it.
It was still possible if Maeve on one level wanted it. That was the difference between Maeve and Lea. Lea tried to fight it and when that failed she was ashamed for it and went to Mab, see her explanation to Molly about what that shame meant for her in Changes. It was that will to stay herself that made it possible for Mab to cure Lea, see Sarissa's explanation at the end of Cold Days.
Maeve embraced the infection as a way to solve her Mommy issues. Sarissa asked her and told her she could be cured as well but Maeve did not want to.
Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature. Vadderung has a very strong will as shown in Changes.
That had more to do with faith than the articles themselves. Also if you will remember it was Jesus who performed the miracles not an article of clothing or object.And the apostles. And the saints. And the martyrs, And the relics. Early Christianity is full of it. It is all gods power of course but stories are important for converting people.
As a close friend who knows what he has been through, she'd have been there if she could. Whether Harry and her were living together or not shouldn't make any difference. I think it is very significant the list of who did show up and went out of their way to show kindness to Harry. Or they don't, Murphy has a history of wanting to deal with those kinds of struggles alone, she'd push Harry away big time.No, she isn't helping because she isn't there.He did it with Michael and it went quite well. The point was that there are several avenues if he wants to that are far better than coins and I believe Jim can make them work.
Yes, and Harry could also sprout wings and fly if Jim wanted it, the question comes down to whether or not it would improve the story if he did it that way.
Maeve's "Mommy" issues may have been the preexisting condition that made her vulnerable to the infection in the first place. Thus once the infection got a foot hold it was no longer possible to cure her unlike Lea.Because Lea kept fighting. She had the will to do so. Not free will but a strong will. Maeves mommy issues motivated her to make a deal and stop fighting.
I think you have to set Vadderung apart, he is considered a god, so for him the question of will or free will quite different.The red king also had a strong will. Mother winter pinned Harry down with her will. I do not think you have to set gods aside, they still are in the same universe. My point was that absence of free will does not mean absence of will.
Will and Free will are not the same. Lack of free will does not mean weak willed. It just means that their will is constrained in some way by their nature.
I think she kept much of her personality intact. It was just not a nice personality.
As a close friend who knows what he has been through, she'd have been there if she could. Whether Harry and her were living together or not shouldn't make any difference. I think it is very significant the list of who did show up and went out of their way to show kindness to Harry.
I see what you're saying, but the story time span is very limited. I'm sure Harry and Murphy would do *something* Christmas-y together if they're still together at the time of the story, but for all we know that could be the next day.
If she is still alive... I don't think she is.There is a more simple reason why she did not turn up. It would have been a spoiler. Especially for those who want her dead.
There is a more simple reason why she did not turn up. It would have been a spoiler. Especially for those who want her dead.
But really she is upstairs. She is just asleep because well wounded, tired and a demanding partner. Charity is asleep as well. She had to prepare all that food.
Or Charity and Karen are upstairs chatting. Also possible.
It is possible, but I am sorry but that doesn't account for it. Have you ever suffered a really close loss and then did your best to carry on through the holidays for others? I have, and that is the mood I am getting here. Yes, a lot of people have suffered and died, but that doesn't account for it over all. It is a very close personal loss, and Harry is carrying on because it isn't just him anymore.We are talking of maybe hundreds or even more wounded and dead and Harry feels guilty about it. He got them into it or accepted their help. He must have known many of them and he learned to know them better just before they died. Of course he is down, Molly is quite correct here but Molly wouldn't talk that way if Karen was dead because of him. That would have been far more dramatic.
Harry's focus is little Maggie, because life goes on, to do nothing and curl up would be worse. If Murphy was upstairs chatting with Charity? Harry's mood would be much lighter, hell, so would Michael's. No, it isn't just the thousands that suffered and died, it is a personal loss. Could either Eb or Thomas dying account for it? Yes, and I've said that, but all the more reason if she could, for Murphy to be at his side handing him a wrench,wisdom, and comfort, not just Mouse. She is not, that is significant.
We are talking of maybe hundreds or even more wounded and dead and Harry feels guilty about it. He got them into it or accepted their help. He must have known many of them and he learned to know them better just before they died. Of course he is down, Molly is quite correct here but Molly wouldn't talk that way if Karen was dead because of him. That would have been far more dramatic.
I think the reason Karen did not show up is quite simple and has nothing to do with her status at the end of Battle Ground and everything to do with Jim not wanting us to know what her status is. It is to prevent spoilers.
We are only shown people who we knew would survive. I would not draw conclusions based on who was there or not.
I hope this is ok to say.
I think we're being messed with here. Someone who knows something is stirring the pot. CaptMurphy is someone's sock. He or she only made the profile 12 minutes before they posted. Sarek's comment about the thread taking days to approve doesn't mesh with that. Perhaps he knows captMurphy in RL in that case it makes sense.
That being said, its always fun to discuss this stuff, so regardless of who the original poster is let's keep going.
I hope she survives and just has to learn to live with her new situation, and that it is used as an opportunity for her character to grow. I think something will happen to heal her in end trilogy.
Mira: Perhaps my word choices were poor. I didn't mean to imply anything nefarious. Everyone one here is pretty nice. I'm enjoying the opportunity to discuss DF.
I too went back reread Christmas eve shortly after the sample chapters started being posted. I'm concerned about her lack of mention and Thomas's lack of mention. I like them both.
I can't really see Eb surviving the series, but I don't know if this is the point where he will get killed. It seems likely that Harry will get the Blackstaff when Eb dies, and Jim might be saving that for the BAT.Yup he is one of the big three that given the trailer could die in the next two books..
I think Luccio will die, maybe at Harry’s hands, maybe at the hands of Murphy I also think Murphy will die but it won’t take. I think Luccio is complicit in the scheme to take Harry down, orchestrated by the Merlin. I think the trailer is misdirection to some degree, as are the earlier chapter drops.
Has anyone else commented on the fact that Christmas Eve spoils the plot about Harry no longer being on the White Council?
I reread Christmas Eve and Harry, when encountered with the challenges of putting together the bike for Maggie, notes to himself and/or Mounse that a Wizard of the White Council would not be defeated by such an obstacle.
Has anyone else commented on the fact that Christmas Eve spoils the plot about Harry no longer being on the White Council?
I reread Christmas Eve and Harry, when encountered with the challenges of putting together the bike for Maggie, notes to himself and/or Mounse that a Wizard of the White Council would not be defeated by such an obstacle.
defeated by such an obstacle.
This is curious to me...being on the White Council. Harry's on it. A member. But we believe he's gonna be booted off it. Cowl has WC-level power--Harry speaks to this in DB or one of the later books.
What he said was putting a child's bike together "should be no match for the intellect of a member of the White Council." Which speaks more to his frustration I think, rather than him no longer being a member of the Council.
Actually I doubt that that will happen
My point exactly. Given Christmas Eve, I do not expect Harry to lose his status as a member of the White Council.The only way to throw them out is either saying he is not a wizard, they tried that and it would be rather absurd to try it now, or saying he is not human anymore. No reason for that either.
It might not make a ton of sense but power politics doesn't have to make sense. It's also the plot introduced in chapter 3 of Peace Talks - Harry potentially losing his status as a member of the White Council.It almost always makes sense in some way. In this case it is a prelude before killing him.
Technically, he's already fulfilled that. The curse even echoed when he was shot.I think Jim gave a "yes and no" answer when someone asked if that was the case.
The only way to throw them out is either saying he is not a wizard, they tried that and it would be rather absurd to try it now, or saying he is not human anymore. No reason for that either.Depends on how much of a democracy/republic balance the Council has. A pure democracy is simple majority rules. A republic has restraints on the majority. (It's more complicated than that, but those complications don't matter for this point). We know it's not a pure democracy because the Senior Council can overrule the Council. Other than that, we don't know much about it's rules.
The council is a gerontocracy.Not really. Harry's vote counts just as much as Luccio's. That's a democracy. The selection process for the Senior Council is gerontocratic, but according to Turn Coat, that's just a tradition. As we see it play out in SK, the eldest member willing to serve runs for the seat unopposed.
Not really. Harry's vote counts just as much as Luccio's. That's a democracy. The selection process for the Senior Council is gerontocratic, but according to Turn Coat, that's just a tradition. As we see it play out in SK, the eldest member willing to serve runs for the seat unopposed.The senior council can delegate some decisions but that is her choice, she can not be forced to do so in any official way. The rules that bound her are mostly not real rules but traditions. A new place is filled by seniority as we have seen in summer knight. So a gerontocracy.
The White Council is a mostly direct democracy where each member has a vote equal to every other member. The democracy is limited by the authority of the Senior Council to decide any matter before the whole Council itself with a vote of, I believe three Senior Council members. The Senior Council handles routine matters and has more power in times of war. The Council has a republican form of government because of these limitations.
If we consider that the Council has authority over all humans, it would be a gerontocratic-oligarchic-republic.
I don't think Murph can take the Summer Knight mantle; one of the prerequisites was a bond with someone close in the court of the faeries. Murph doesn't have one.I don't know about Murphy having a bond with anyone in the Summer Court, but her credentials are impeccable. She did kill the last Winter Lady, after all. She rode with the Wild Hunt, arguably led or helped lead it, and gained the respect of the Erlking. And if Titania had the opportunity to take Harry's True Love away from him by making Murphy his sworn enemy, I think she'd make it happen in a heartbeat, and smile while doing it.
I don't know about Murphy having a bond with anyone in the Summer Court, but her credentials are impeccable. She did kill the last Winter Lady, after all. She rode with the Wild Hunt, arguably led or helped lead it, and gained the respect of the Erlking. And if Titania had the opportunity to take Harry's True Love away from him by making Murphy his sworn enemy, I think she'd make it happen in a heartbeat, and smile while doing it.
I hope this is ok to say.I can't say, and don't know, if the account is a sock, or mask, or mantle, or some combination therein. But I can assure you that delays in approving posts are real. I've been very inactive of late due to personal circumstances, so approving newbie posts has largely fallen to Blaze and others of late.
I think we're being messed with here. Someone who may know something may be stirring the pot. CaptMurphy maybe someone's sock. He or she only made the profile 12 minutes before they posted. Sarek's comment about the thread taking days to approve doesn't mesh with that. Perhaps he knows captMurphy in RL in that case it makes sense. Again this is just my opinion, and isn't meant to be negative towards captMurphy or Serek.
That being said, its always fun to discuss this stuff, so regardless of who the original poster is let's keep going.
I hope she survives and just has to learn to live with her new situation, and that it is used as an opportunity for her character to grow. I think something will happen to heal her in end trilogy.
It wasn't Murphy, Mab used her. She is hurt, everything points to her dying in battle, heroically for Harry. She doesn't want to be the brains behind anything, she made that clear, she wants to be physically in the battle, and she will die doing it.Mab freed her. Murphy chose to act, and shot and killed Maeve. As for being hurt, I do believe the last Knight to be Knighted was severely hurt prior to being Knighted, and did it to gain the power and ability to fight for those they loved and cared for.
Jim tweeting about Murphy’s funeral is a clear indication that it won’t happen. He would not give a spoiler like that away if it was true in the most obvious sense.Not necessarily. With IA breathing down her neck, they could totally fake her death to get them off her back, same as they'd do for her becoming a Valkyrie or Einherjaren. But it'd probably be pointless on the aftermath of what we're likely to see in Battle Ground.
Mab freed her. Murphy chose to act, and shot and killed Maeve. As for being hurt, I do believe the last Knight to be Knighted was severely hurt prior to being Knighted, and did it to gain the power and ability to fight for those they loved and cared for.
Do you want to take the odds against Murphy accepting the mantle in the moment of need to help protect Harry or her city?
Fix is still very much alive... So while he could get killed in the battle it sounds like he will be very much a part of it.. So till he dies no one is going to jerk the mantle from him to hand it to Murphy, plus I doubt she would want any part of a mantle, she's seen Harry stuggle with it. Mab still used her, without Mab it wouldn't have happened, Mab was giving herself plausible deniability.My guess is Fix would die, Murphy would be wounded even more and out of the fight and feeling helpless, things would appear to be going very badly, and Sarissa would offer her the chance to help. Or maybe Titania would actually show up to do it, to spite Harry.
Not necessarily. With IA breathing down her neck, they could totally fake her death to get them off her back, same as they'd do for her becoming a Valkyrie or Einherjaren. But it'd probably be pointless on the aftermath of what we're likely to see in Battle Ground.With the obvious sense I mean Murphy dead and a burial in the epilogue.
But it makes me wonder, did he say it was Murphy's funeral, or Karrin's funeral? One isn't necessarily the other.
That being said, the scene he was writing about was probably...(click to show/hide)
Harry is dating Murphy yes, but he is also a guest in the Carpenter household where both he and Maggie can enjoy some much needed protection. I just don't think Harry would bring his girl friend to live there too.
Harry is dating Murphy yes, but he is also a guest in the Carpenter household where both he and Maggie can enjoy some much needed protection. I just don't think Harry would bring his girl friend to live there too.Not until they are married. ;D
With the obvious sense I mean Murphy dead and a burial in the epilogue.Sure. An epilogue scene where they have a funeral for her post-battle, so Rudolph and IA can watch work suspicion from a distance. And Harry can mourn the budding relationship rather than Murphy.
There is not time enough for a burial in the middle of battle ground.
Sure. An epilogue scene where they have a funeral for her post-battle, so Rudolph and IA can watch work suspicion from a distance. And Harry can mourn the budding relationship rather than Murphy.
Somehow I doubt that will happen.Of course. Karin will live. A marriage will be far more politically explosive than a funeral.
Of course. Karin will live. A marriage will be far more politically explosive than a funeral.
Perhaps... Or very dull..No idea how Mab will react. They are officially married. And what monsters to invite. Skipping them will be as dangerous as inviting them.
A new place is filled by seniority as we have seen in summer knight. So a gerontocracy.Not with Cristos. It's like the principle with American presidency that no one will run for more than two consecutive terms. Then FDR did. As a result, the Constitution was amended. The gerontocracy of the Senior Council is a rule until it isn't. And everyone gets a vote except when they don't. That describes just about every democracy I've ever heard of larger than what we would consider a small town.
Given a certain red headed Valkyrie who has taken a fancy to her, I can’t see it sticking, and with the supernatural scene blown open in Chicago (as alluded to in Christmas Eve, thanks to the placard) she is hired from Monoc as Captain of a massively beefed up SI.Not if an angel of death is around.
Not with Cristos.Not the oldest available but they only had to ask one other to decline so no fundamental breach.
It's like the principle with American presidency that no one will run for more than two consecutive terms. Then FDR did. As a result, the Constitution was amended.Ignoring the seven laws there is no constitution. Only a bunch of flexible traditions.
The gerontocracy of the Senior Council is a rule until it isn't. And everyone gets a vote except when they don't. That describes just about every democracy I've ever heard of larger than what we would consider a small town.In a real democracy the people or their elected representatives can propose laws an vote for them on their own initiative. They are the ultimate power not a bunch of gerontocrats.
No I think that the placard announces things to the world...
Not the oldest available but they only had to ask one other to decline so no fundamental breach.Ignoring the seven laws there is no constitution. Only a bunch of flexible traditions.In a real democracy the people or their elected representatives can propose laws an vote for them on their own initiative. They are the ultimate power not a bunch of gerontocrats.The Athenian democracy was limited by the Council of Five Hundred and the popular courts. It was still a democracy.
Everyone gets a vote is not enough to make a democracy. It is also about what is done with that vote.
The Athenian democracy was limited by the Council of Five Hundred and the popular courts. It was still a democracy.The difference is that the senior council has no obligation to submit their decision to the general assembly, the council of 500 had.
Of course they did not listen. And they rationalized afterwards. "I told you so" won't help in future situations either.
Reread Christmas Eve yet again, it sounds like Harry has his little talk with everyone after the battle.
What ever he said, apparently they didn't listen and things got worse.
Of course they did not listen. And they rationalized afterwards. "I told you so" won't help in future situations either.
The difference is that the senior council has no obligation to submit their decision to the general assembly, the council of 500 had.That's the opposite of how it works. The Senior Council can take up matters if three of them vote to. The Athenian assembly and council were both subject to the public courts.
Basically the senior council only asks the general assembly when they can not get to an agreement.
They hold all the power without checks and balances.I never said it's a liberal democracy. As best I can tell, checks and balances is an outgrowth of separation of powers that first developed in 1787.
That's the opposite of how it works. The Senior Council can take up matters if three of them vote to. The Athenian assembly and council were both subject to the public courts.Read Polybius about the Roman republic. He thought that that state had the ideal balance between democracy and aristocracy. Something for the senate and something for the plebs. I think he would have classified the council as some form of aristocracy, the power of the senior council is just too big and the demos has little influence. But maybe a meritocracy?
I never said it's a liberal democracy. As best I can tell, checks and balances is an outgrowth of separation of powers that first developed in 1787.
As Malcolm told Harry, paraphrasing, "everyone dies alone." We may have family around us, but we walk through that final door solo.
So, if Christmas Eve does indeed take place after Peace Talks/Battleground and Murphy isn't present, which considering the events that seem to be happening in the chapter five drop, she should be...
So here is what is possibly the reasons why she wasn't;
1] Murphy re-injured herself big time and is in the hospital.
2] Murphy made a Faustian bargain to get into the fight, and alienated herself in the process from Harry.
3] Harry made a Faustian bargain to cure Murphy and alienated himself from her.
4] Somehow whoever it is that was trying to frame Harry and Murphy succeeded. While Harry got
off because of his various connections, Murphy couldn't or may have even take the fall for Harry and is serving 15 years to life in prison for murder.
5] Murphy finds out that she will be crippled for life and wants to go through it solo, her way.
6] While it is possible she became Summer Knight, I don't see that fact keeping her away at
Christmas. Don't think Sarissa would demand that of her, Titania might, but it would have to be really important.
7] Murphy was killed.
7a]... and is away on Valkyrie duties.
I don't buy her becoming that..I don’t buy it either but Jim keeps selling it.
Yes, but where are they going to get a winged Shetland Pony for her?