Darth Wannabe from Day Off.OHGODYESPLEASE!!!
The Eebs.Thank you. Forgot about them. Will Add.
Laura Raith is definately a villain. Just because she's used Harry as her catspaw doesn't mean that they're friends or anything.I think that there is WOJ that suggests differently about Kumori.
The Raiths, for certain. I doubt Cowl, as he's due to show up in Mirror Mirror per WOJ, and I don't think that Mavra would show. The Black Court is better off hiding and shoring up their defenses when the rest of the world powers appear.
And I personally think that Kumori died back in Dead Beat.
They were in protected never never space.
OHGODYESPLEASE!!!
Darth Wannabe rolling up as a Fomor Servitor, or even better as the "Semi-immortal shapeshifting guru" that was mentioned as an Independant Signatory. I'd love it if Darth was something super-powerful that was just trolling Dresden.
I wouldn't call Lara Raith exactly a villain... She is more of a predator than a villain in my opinion..
Laura Raith is definately a villain. Just because she's used Harry as her catspaw doesn't mean that they're friends or anything.
They're enemies...but also frenemies, sorta. I think Harry wants to hate her, but can't quite, she'd like to corrupt him, but is glad when he refuses. It's a mess.
I doubt Cowl, as he's due to show up in Mirror Mirror per WOJ
I don't think I've seen that one yet? If you happen to remember where it was from, I'd be curious to read his exact wording about the Cowl appearance.It'll be a little while until I find it, but I'll say first that I'm pretty sure I misquoted this. I don't believe that Jim technically said that Cowl would appear in this book; just that it would be in this book that we learn Cowl's identity.
It'll be a little while until I find it, but I'll say first that I'm pretty sure I misquoted this. I don't believe that Jim technically said that Cowl would appear in this book; just that it would be in this book that we learn Cowl's identity.
Darth Wannabe rolling up as a Fomor Servitor, or even better as the "Semi-immortal shapeshifting guru" that was mentioned as an Independant Signatory. I'd love it if Darth was something super-powerful that was just trolling Dresden.
I'd like to suggest an edit to the initial poll. Cowl AS Cowl.
He may make an appearance, as whomever he really is, and we wouldn't know it.
Someone else I'd like to see are the two who met at Murphys in GS. The little Wampire that Murphy beat up, and Marcone's man.
That's actually a little more surprising, personally. I thought he'd hold that mystery over us nearly to the end.
Mind you, at one point before CD came out he had claimed Cowl would be in that one too. So either Cowl acts under a lot of identities, or Jim sometimes changes his mind about what's going to happen when.
Jim has occasionally given out information that turned out to be false or premature.
Right after Cold Days came out I read an interview Jim did; which unfortunately I can longer find, in which he described a rather funny conversation Harry would have with Michael; which Michael wouldn't find funny, about Molly being the Winter Lady. Harry would tell Michael that he would have to cut Molly some slack when he saw Molly wearing a very tight fitting and suggestive outfit because she was now the Queen of slutty faeries. Apparently Molly would be dressing to fit the image. This would strain Harry and Michael's relationship and we could look forward to learning more about this complication in the next book.
QuoteThey're enemies...but also frenemies, sorta. I think Harry wants to hate her, but can't quite, she'd like to corrupt him, but is glad when he refuses. It's a mess.
Sounds like the beginning of a totally dysfunctional romance.
Harry and Lara are mutually blackmailing each other into a peaceful stalemate. Pretty sure that both see the other as potentially useful, but extremely dangerous.
Lara knows that Harry is no longer love-protected and can be whammied. That could make their next encounter very interesting.
Maybe it is just my jaded side but I would say that true love happens more readily with the young. Experience tends to complicate simplicity.
Oh, I hope the Harry / Karrin thing doesn't protect Harry. Not because I don't want them both to be happy but because it's been kind of stressed in the books that True Love is extremely rare, and Harry has already experienced it. Further, I think Karrin isn't really capable of it any more. She can love Harry, but for it to be THAT form, I don't think it'll happen.
Maybe it is just my jaded side but I would say that true love happens more readily with the young. Experience tends to complicate simplicity.
Agreed.
I know it's a dumb thing to say, but I watched the show "Sabrina" for several episodes, and one of them had "True Love" as the only cure.
Of course it was between two 16 year olds, and one of the aunt/witches said, "It's always true love at that age."
And that's exactly where the show got it wrong.
What 16 year olds feel is very rarely genuine Love. It's more often self-focused, all about feelings and emotions and no little bit of physical lust. All of which can certainly coexist with the Love, but are not really of it. At least as often as not, what 16 year olds feel is for a fantasy of who the other person is rather than the reality.
Exceptions exist. I'm pretty sure Harry genuinely Loved Elaine when they were teens (can't be as sure about her, we don't know her POV on the matter). He was ready to fight Justin for her, after all, which is the next thing to suicide for a 16 year old apprentice Wizard.
Molly thought she was in Love with Harry as a teen, but she was not. She might really be, now.
Oh, I hope the Harry / Karrin thing doesn't protect Harry. Not because I don't want them both to be happy but because it's been kind of stressed in the books that True Love is extremely rare, and Harry has already experienced it. Further, I think Karrin isn't really capable of it any more. She can love Harry, but for it to be THAT form, I don't think it'll happen.
Rudolph annoyed the crap out of me. I hope the next time we see him is in a padded cell with a straitjacket. As far as Langtry goes, I see him as a reluctant supporter of Harry due to Harry's actions in Changes and his ties to Mab.
He'll probably still be pissed at Harry for creating such a huge power vacuum after Changes, and he'll likely be annoyed that Harry is beyond his reach now that he's the Winter Knight. If he also knows that he's the Warden, I think he'll have a minor heart attack, just at the thought of so much power being in one person's hands.
I really do understand what you are saying.
That being said, I believe that the 16-year old love IS true. It may not be mature, but it is true. Yes it is at times wrapped up with a bit of hormones and selfishness, but it's also very strongly felt and THEY think it's true.
A lot of magic is dependent upon belief. No real reason this couldn't work based on belief as well.
He knows. Ebenezar's journal entry at the end of TC mentioned the Merlin wanting to put Harry under surveillance, whereas Eb thinks Harry is one of the few he would trust with "that mantle".
As for the power vaccuum, I'm sure he's not happy about it, but it's not like he can really pin much blame on Harry when he outright told him the goal was to exterminate the Reds. Well, mission accomplished.
Two good reasons they left, assuming they survived the curse.not sure why they would let them go if they are alive.I'm ambivalent on the subject of the Ebs. If they do still exist, I hope there is a good (Doyalistic) reason for it.
I'm ambivalent on the subject of the Ebs. If they do still exist, I hope there is a good (Doyalistic) reason for it.
Two good reasons they left, assuming they survived the curse.
1) The Erlking didn't want to exterminate a hunter species, no matter how worthless the Eebs might have been.
2) A Nemesis agent in the Erlking's Court secretly expedited their release as potential allies to the cause.
Why would Nemesis waste it's time and effort (not to mention the identity of its agents) to spring a couple of loser Rampires?Theoretically, all it would take is the primary agent using an ignorant resource to free them, and then have another ignorant resource eliminate the "traitor" before questioning.
What made the Red Court a threat was their numbers, influence, and organization. None of which the Eebs have.
That's presuming they could make new vampires.We don't know the methodology of their transformation. It might be that she physically could, but to do so without permission is a death sentence.
Bianca couldn't until she was promoted to the higher ranks of nobility. There's nobody around to promote the Eebs, so if they weren't already...
If they come back, what was the point in Changes in the first place?I don't think the Ramps, if they do survive the Eebs or anyone else, will ever be what they were. None of the other factions will let that happen. Harry destroyed one of the most powerful courts in the supernatural community.
'lol Harry you sold your soul, traumatised several people you care about, killed the mother of your child and screwed over most of the world by shattering the power balance for nothing because the Red Court is back at full power, trolololol'
Even Jim doesn't hate Harry that much.
Bianca’s promotion
to the nobility was
both a legal one
and a metaphysical
one—that’s why
Duke Ortega was
there: to let her
taste of his blood,
giving her the
power and the
authority to make
new spawn.
He got closure with them when he beat their champions in a duel, saw them being carted off for torture at the hands of goblins, and then wiped out everyone they had ever known.You're comparing the Eebs to the Hamilton twins? ???
They were a couple also-ran mooks, like the tennis twins in Grave Peril; they were a speedbump in a larger conflict and he drove over them already. Let them stay buried, I say.
Per the RPG, from Bob:That fits with what Vadderung said about the power of the Ramps being diluted. But with all the others dead, the power of the blood went... where? Nowhere? Or to the last of the bloodline? "Metaphysical" is not the same as physical, so the blood itself might not be required to "ascend" to that level within the Court.
I'm not talking about their accomplishments, I'm talking about their overall role in the story.By that logic, the Eebs are the plot equivalent of the Loup Garou, the Nightmare, Corpsetaker (pt. 1), the Naagloshi, and Before. One has already made a second appearance, and the other two are highly likely to return. How is the Eebs return less deserving?
The Hamiltons weren't the important badguys, Bianca was.
The Eebs weren't the important badguys, Arianna was.
Did they get more done then the Hamiltons? Sure. But Harry has dealt with them, directly and on the page, and their narrative role was finished. At this point Harry probably doesn't even remember them specifically.
Who knows where the power of the blood went, if it went anywhere. It could've dissipated into the ether for all anyone knows. But ask yourself this -- if being in the Nevernever was enough to keep the curse targeting them specifically from hitting, then wouldn't it also prevent the power from finding them?
By that logic, the Eebs are the plot equivalent of the Loup Garou, the Nightmare, Corpsetaker (pt. 1), the Naagloshi, and Before. One has already made a second appearance, and the other two are highly likely to return. How is the Eebs return less deserving?Nah, I'd rank them lower than that. They were dealt with, Harry beat them... I think their role in the story is done. They were not, in themselves, powerful. They were working under orders and when push came to shove, they literally sent a random mook they grabbed out of their squad rather than face Harry directly.
As for the power reaching them when the curse couldn't, I would imagine it'd depend on the source of the power. I could see where it might not reach them until after their release.See, with all the focus on the blood, I think there's a necessarily, inextricably physical component to the Red Court's power. The power seems to be in the blood itself, rather than as energy.
It's been shown that power (magic) exists even when the person trying to tap it (Harry) can't due to being cut off from it via barriers (Hellfire circle), but access was restored once beyond the barrier.
The Ramp bloodline power could just exist in the pool of magical power, and would fade or transform given enough time. But if conduits were to appear... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not that I'm saying the Eebs will get the Court's combined power. That's probably gone. But the aspect to create more of them might not be diluted anymore.
Nah, I'd rank them lower than that. They were dealt with, Harry beat them... I think their role in the story is done. They were not, in themselves, powerful. They were working under orders and when push came to shove, they literally sent a random mook they grabbed out of their squad rather than face Harry directly.
I never realized losing every last material possession and selling one's soul meant absolutely nothing to so many people. ???The thing is, they basically did those by accident, and they weren't even doing it for personal reasons -- they were ordered to. They really had no more beef against Dresden than the average Red Court vampire did.
Seriously, I'm not saying that the Eebs are going to be standing side by side in the miasma of dark energy as Cthulhu rises from the depths, bound to their service as they take over the world. All I'm saying is that they've done more to hurt Harry than any other villain short of DuMorne (psychologically) and Mavra (physically).
I think that their sudden and unexpected appearance at the Peace Talks, in a situation where Harry can't crush them like bugs due to protocol, will be good plot fodder. Hell, I'm even saying one should die early in the book to frame Harry for murder, and the other can die by the end.Honestly, putting themselves in front of Harry Dresden in any capacity seems rather foolish. These are two goons whose main feat of on-screen strength was running through a wall to get away from Harry -- and that was before he was the Winter Knight.
The thing is, they basically did those by accident, and they weren't even doing it for personal reasons -- they were ordered to. They really had no more beef against Dresden than the average Red Court vampire did.We're talking about Winter Knight Harry "I owed Bob so I did his favor before I made new gear to help keep me alive" Dresden. If the two Ramps that personally took the most from him and put him in the corner he was in, to have to accept Mab's deal, suddenly appear in front of him, I'm guessing he's going to feel like the scales need further balancing.
Harry seems to put the blame on Arianna and the Red Court as a whole for all that, not the Eebs specifically, and from the sound of it, he considers the account settled.
Honestly, putting themselves in front of Harry Dresden in any capacity seems rather foolish. These are two goons whose main feat of on-screen strength was running through a wall to get away from Harry -- and that was before he was the Winter Knight.
If I were the Eebs and I was lucky enough to survive the Changes curse and I was lucky enough to escape the Erlking's torture chambers, I'd pick a quiet spot as far as physically possible from Harry Dresden to very quietly live out the rest of my days.If they were in charge, sure. But I don't see them running things. I see them as pawns for the Fomor, indebted to them and having to do what they ask for now. If they survived because of Nemesis/Circle ally and are in debt, they won't have a say in it.
We're talking about Winter Knight Harry "I owed Bob so I did his favor before I made new gear to help keep me alive" Dresden. If the two Ramps that personally took the most from him and put him in the corner he was in, to have to accept Mab's deal, suddenly appear in front of him, I'm guessing he's going to feel like the scales need further balancing.I don't doubt that if they showed up, Harry would probably want to kill them, but that kinda applies to any Red Court at this point. But honestly, it's going to be more of a, "They survived? How? ... Huh." than, "I MUST DESTROY YOU RAR." Arianna was the one behind them. Or the Red King was. Either way, Harry's dealt with the real cause.
If they were in charge, sure. But I don't see them running things. I see them as pawns for the Fomor, indebted to them and having to do what they ask for now. If they survived because of Nemesis/Circle ally and are in debt, they won't have a say in it.I honestly don't see why the Fomor would bother. They don't have any of the resources or backing that they used to, they have little to no standing in the Accords, if they're just going to be expendable fodder, why go to the effort?
I don't doubt that if they showed up, Harry would probably want to kill them, but that kinda applies to any Red Court at this point. But honestly, it's going to be more of a, "They survived? How? ... Huh." than, "I MUST DESTROY YOU RAR." Arianna was the one behind them. Or the Red King was. Either way, Harry's dealt with the real cause.The Ramps can reproduce fast, assuming they can still reproduce. Susan was a physical threat from Night One, and she hadn't even fully turned.
It'd be like Harry getting mad at the gun instead of the person who aimed and fired it.
I honestly don't see why the Fomor would bother. They don't have any of the resources or backing that they used to, they have little to no standing in the Accords, if they're just going to be expendable fodder, why go to the effort?
What do the Fomor have to gain from them that they'd go to the trouble of getting them out of the Erlking's hold? What benefit do the Eebs bring that's worth potentially exposing your mole in the Erlking's army?
The Ramps can reproduce fast, assuming they can still reproduce. Susan was a physical threat from Night One, and she hadn't even fully turned.First, that's a pretty big assumption. I'm having trouble accepting that something that seemed to require ritual involving physical components can happen anyway essentially by accident. The Red Court have always seemed the most "physical" of the vampire courts, and the literal, physical blood seems to have been necessary to elevate Bianca.
We don't know a lot about the Fomor, but they seem to be interested in having fodder. Hence their use of magically-enhanced servitors.
An individual Ramp is more of a threat than any of the servitors we've seen so far. So why wouldn't they want them?
We're talking about a pantheon that called other broken pantheons to their side, to unite under one banner. The Ramp survivors would fit that perfectly.If there were more than the two most cowardly examples of the species, I'd agree with you more.
First, that's a pretty big assumption. I'm having trouble accepting that something that seemed to require ritual involving physical components can happen anyway essentially by accident. The Red Court have always seemed the most "physical" of the vampire courts, and the literal, physical blood seems to have been necessary to elevate Bianca.
As for them being more powerful... eh, I'm not totally sold on that. They have a few crippling and -- most importantly -- well-known weaknesses that let pre-infection Susan take a few of them out.
Truth is we don't know what all their servitors can do. Having minions that don't have glaring weaknesses or an addiction to blood might be worth the trade-off of power.
If there were more than the two most cowardly examples of the species, I'd agree with you more.
Think of it this way, though. Let's say they show up in Peace Talks on official business. Harry knows where they were last seen. He's on speaking terms with the guy who had them. You don't think he's going to ask? You don't think everyone else -- like the White Council contingent -- is going to notice that the Fomor had been allied with a group that had so recently tried to genocide them?
The Fomor or Nemesis would have to show a few of their holding cards to get them out and keep them out. I don't think it's worth it.
First, that's a pretty big assumption.From a Doylist perspective, there's not much point in bringing the Eebs back unless you're establishing that the Ramps are still going to be around. Therefore, them surviving and them being able to reproduce are part of the whole.
As for them being more powerful... eh, I'm not totally sold on that. They have a few crippling and -- most importantly -- well-known weaknesses that let pre-infection Susan take a few of them out.It's said in the books that the Wamps are inferior to the other vampires, strength and speed-wise. As for Susan, I think that's a stretch. Pre-bite, she used holy water and a gun to likely kill one. She helped the others keep some at bay. That's all that said about that.
Truth is we don't know what all their servitors can do. Having minions that don't have glaring weaknesses or an addiction to blood might be worth the trade-off of power.I'm willing to bet there's some that are more formidable. But as general shock troops, do you think the ones we saw so far would be better than Ramps? Short of taking out their blood bladder, Ramps are hard to take out. The servitors so far fell like chaff.
If there were more than the two most cowardly examples of the species, I'd agree with you more.I think your definition of cowardly is odd. Staying alive to complete your mission is an interesting take on cowardice.
Think of it this way, though. Let's say they show up in Peace Talks on official business. Harry knows where they were last seen. He's on speaking terms with the guy who had them. You don't think he's going to ask? You don't think everyone else -- like the White Council contingent -- is going to notice that the Fomor had been allied with a group that had so recently tried to genocide them?I already provided two examples of how that could go down. One is that the Erlking lets them go to preserve a hunter species. The other is that the traitor has them freed and frames someone else that won't be around to answer questions. Some minor Lord of the Court is convinced to do it, and is then betrayed by the spy and knocked off.
The Fomor or Nemesis would have to show a few of their holding cards to get them out and keep them out. I don't think it's worth it.
I concur that restitution is unlikely. They could arrive as part of the Fomor party, or they could arrive as survivors that are looking to get some minor Accords protection as they re-establish their Court, conceding that they're done with war and revenge. Until they're not.What if they're planning to use the peace talks to demand restitution for, you know, genocide?Mab doesn't seem like the type to write in a provision letting the losers get payback for losing a war they started, with a weapon they created themselves.
Mab, to me, seems much more likely to include language in the Accords to the effect of, "You brought it on yourselves."
Mab doesn't seem like the type to write in a provision letting the losers get payback for losing a war they started, with a weapon they created themselves.
Mab, to me, seems much more likely to include language in the Accords to the effect of, "You brought it on yourselves."
I concur that restitution is unlikely. They could arrive as part of the Fomor party, or they could arrive as survivors that are looking to get some minor Accords protection as they re-establish their Court, conceding that they're done with war and revenge. Until they're not.
Is there WOJ that Lord Raith is going to die or is that a rumor/speculation?
Or he'll somehow come roaring back into relevance. Even if Harry doesn't need closure on Lord Raith, Thomas does. After all, Raith made his life hell, he killed his mother, and he trussed him up as a sacrifice. There's a showdown owed there.
Not a villain, but I want to find out what happened to Wizard Montjoy.
He was the one who was down in the Yucatan in Summer Knight, right? A "research trip," if I recall correctly. Which happens to be Chichen Itza's location. I forgot about him until just now. Well, someone had to figure out how to use the leylines and sacrifices to fuel a massive bloodline curse.
Dang it. Jim's making me see Black Council members everywhere.
I'm hoping for something a bit more ... covert.
Gotta remember that Montjoy was there BEFORE the start of the war (iirc).
I think he was down there "researching" the red court, because he, or someone on the council (Simon?) saw something coming.
I thought of Archangel was the sucker punch the Reds used right as they declared war, like Pearl Harbor; the official declaration of war by Japan wasn't delivered from their embassy until the attack was already underway. I could be way off; I can never seem to remember the details of Summer Knight for some reason. They all seem to kind of flow together.According to the RCV, the war was initiated by Harry when he killed Bianca and burned her home down, this took place in the Fall. The attack on Archangel was less than a week before Mid-Summer, roughly nine months later. Archangel was the first big bang, but small actions had already been underway and both sides had acknowledged it existence.
I'd be into another White Council bigwig (or biggishwig) showing some foresight aside from Eb, Rashid, Joe, and Martha.
4) Cat SithWhat? He fell out the window! Into the lake! No one could survive that. He's probably dead.
What? He fell out the window! Into the lake! No one could survive that. He's probably dead.
Perhaps more to the point, he fell into the icy cold waters of Lake Michigan.
Which is to say, into the same lake Mab claimed as her domain vis a vis grabbing Dresden's body.
I kind of wonder if he could survive the cure.Cats do have nine lives...
As official representatives, beings would have something akin to diplomatic immunity. So beings that would usually be setting off conflict could be coming together.ya. you will see 3 sides. the Black, the White, and the fence sitters. imho the sitters will also be divided into secret allies to one of the other 2, some secret minor cult/ sect/ whatever, and others that are looking at what happens with the thoughts of survival and profit.
The Archive (both an emissary and a Freeholding Lord)
The Denarians - Nicodemus Archleone no longer a signatory as of Skin Game
Donar Vadderung, CEO of Monoc Securities
Both Faerie Courts
John Marcone (the first non-supernatural to sign onto the Accords)
Vampire Courts
The White Council
The Svartalves
Drakul
A semi-immortal shapshifter guru in Ukraine
Two Dragons
The Fomor
Ehh, I don't see Winter and the White Council necessarily being allied. There are close personal relationships between Winter and the wizards - Harry & the Gatekeeper both have feet in each camp - but between the organizations it is much more formal if not uncertain. The council as a group dealt formally with Mab in Summer Knight and were unsurprised when it appeared she was sitting out. Mab works with the council only if they do it on her terms.
I think the White Court/White Council relationship would be similar. The Raiths couldn't be seen to be publicly aligned with the Freaks beyond an 'the enemy of my enemy' deal.
The White Council has a rep for arrogance and pissing off much of the other signatories; Harry/Bianca was just a pretext for the Red Court to go to war, they were more than happy to start hostilities. They might find themselves on the outside of the happy Winter/Monoc/svartalves/Summer mutual defense pact.
I know Harry does this, but I don't know that the Council does this. Yes they are known as arrogant, but I don't know about the pissing other nations off.Yeah, that's Harry's rep, not the White Council's. The White Council is almost certainly much more diplomatic than Harry is.
Yeah, that's Harry's rep, not the White Council's. The White Council is almost certainly much more diplomatic than Harry is.
The members of Summer are fans of Harry, not winter or the Wouncil. Same with the Svartalves with Molly.Here's the thing, though -- Molly's the Winter Lady now. That puts her in charge of a chunk of Winter, and able to act officially representing Winter with the only real oversight being Mab.
I know Harry does this, but I don't know that the Council does this. Yes they are known as arrogant, but I don't know about the pissing other nations off.When the RC war went sideways the council was not receiving help from other signatories; it was the Fellowship, etc. that was fighting with them - bitter enemies of the RC. Winter just allowed access to the Paths, buyer beware and it's up to you to avoid the nasties. No-one felt any urge to help the wizards.
When the RC war went sideways the council was not receiving help from other signatories; it was the Fellowship, etc. that was fighting with them - bitter enemies of the RC. Winter just allowed access to the Paths, buyer beware and it's up to you to avoid the nasties. No-one felt any urge to help the wizards.
Compare that to relationships like the UK & the US over the last 60 years, or even US/Saudi Arabia or the West African mutual defense alliance. The council had nothing and had to go cap in hand to the faerie courts for transport support when they realized they were losing. They were too cocky to cultivate alliances for future unforeseen conflicts and disliked enough that they couldn't drag anyone onto their side without great provocation from the RC. Even the Fomor could get some sort of tentative agreement with other signatories; the council didn't seem to be capable of that.
Actually we don't know. All we know are those things that Harry put in his books.Also, it's foolish to assume that the small handful of supernatural nations have the same sorts of mutual defense pacts that the 200+ nations on the planet do. They seem to operate mostly independently, and war happens infrequently enough that standing alliances aren't necessary.
For all we know the Wouncil's financial division may have been working arm-in-arm with other supernatural nations to ruin the Reds. Or others may have been providing intelligence. We really don't know.
Actually we don't know. All we know are those things that Harry put in his books.If they were getting help it wasn't at all effective which is pretty much the same thing. The council was on the defensive and in significant trouble. Any hypothetical off-screen assistance was not much more than useless at the rate the council was losing wardens and wizards. It is improbable that a commander like the Merlin could look at the casualties and trends in the war and not make a deal for (for example) a company of Einherjaren for security at each key location if a deal was possible. Just doing that to free up the wardens as an offensive force would have been a huge benefit.
For all we know the Wouncil's financial division may have been working arm-in-arm with other supernatural nations to ruin the Reds. Or others may have been providing intelligence. We really don't know.
That post about the Eebs is not definitive, it simply said at the time of the curse they were in a high security location in the never never, it never actually said they survived. I am betting the curse did hit them, but it is possible using the malleability of the never never, and the intervention of someone powerful, they could have survived the curse, but they would be deeply dependent, and have lost most of their independence.
Deflated,
I think of the Rampire war as something like a war between the USA and USSR.
There are all kinds of smaller powers, but something between these two no one else can really be very effective against.
Don't see it. Winter rolls right over RC or Council without blinking. Summer the same. The way the Fomor managed to slot so quickly right into the vacuum left by the RC shows that they are a similarly (or larger) sized organization that can hold their own against either. One of the most notable attacks by the RC was only possible with some minor assistance from the Fomor; if they fully threw in with either side the war would've been over in a month.That doesn't really track.
Were the Eebs the ones who took Maggie and slaughtered her foster family? Such a personal link would make them a good chance to reappear to torment Maggie, and for her to see her father deal with the monsters of her nightmares.I don't think we know. Given their methodology, I'd say it's a good possibility.
Don't see it. Winter rolls right over RC or Council without blinking. Summer the same.
The way the Fomor managed to slot so quickly right into the vacuum left by the RC shows that they are a similarly (or larger) sized organization that can hold their own against either.
One of the most notable attacks by the RC was only possible with some minor assistance from the Fomor; if they fully threw in with either side the war would've been over in a month.
I wonder since the rcv prepared for this war, could these plans and preparations have been shared with the fomor?
The Council has been on the backfoot fighting them all over Europe, to the point that they have effectively abandoned NA.
As we see in GS, the White Court is coordinating with the Paranet and engaging them all across the USA.
The Formor have been (without provocation) attacking everyone on a Global scale, for the last... what two+ years? It gotten so bad that the Masquerade is falling apart despite the superhuman levels of head-in-sand that Humanity has in the DF.
So yeah, somehow they're the biggest threat in the series, despite living in a vacuum.
Heck, a couple of theirRedshirtsTurtlenecks are dangerous enough that Harry needed to be rescued from them, whereas the Red Courts top assassin went screaming like a little girl at the sight of him- and that was before he became the Winter Knight.
I mean, they're not just a rag-tag group. They're a Nation. A Nation that is shitting all over everyone, and yet nobody has punched their ticket yet. It's as if... I dunno... Sokovia decided to start attacking every other nation in the UN, but nobody did anything about it because they're "just going after soft Targets"
Yeah, the Fomor "war" isn't like the Fomor wading up on shore and invading en masse. It's them snatching people and running away before the bigger powers can get them.
They're a "threat" not in the sense that they could take the White Council, the White Court and Winter in open fighting. They're a "threat" because they're sneaky, unscrupulous, unknown and really underhanded.
Their "big attack" in the Red Court war was a biological weapon. Humans can do that.
That was the Fomor? The gas attack in the backstory of Dead Beat that killed, like, a third of the wardens? Or was it something else in one of the short stories that I haven't read because I'm stubbornly waiting for Brief Cases?I think in Bombshells it's mentioned that they supplied the gas.
I think in Bombshells it's mentioned that they supplied the gas.
Well, we know that Mab is going to be looking to take them down a notch, they were attempting to violate her Accords with their backstabbing actions in 'Bombshells'.