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Wait...there are Seven? I thought 4--White Court, Black Court, Red Court (Presumed extinct except for the Eebs?), and Jade (little known and probably never to be seen.)WoJ says there are three others, but they're little more than mosquitoes.
What did I miss?
Can we get a reference for this? It's spoken of frequently, but I don't remember where we learn this. Or is it just a WoJ?I believe it's a WoJ after Serack compiled the big list of old WoJ's. Chandler is a time specialist that has to be very careful about skirting the Laws in how he practices. Part of him being allowed to do things like guard doors alone is how much he is trusted by the WC.
Thanks---B
Oh. And I still think Chandler's a bad guy.
Well we knew his specialty was time magic, so him being the talking head in MM to explain things makes sense.Meh, I mean Drakul is Mab level. Opening the portal to the void between realities seems fine to me power-wise, then Chandler using his own magic to get to somewhere somewhat familiar.
What baffles me is just how easily Drakul opened a Way to an alternate timeline. Like, he just flicked a wrist. I didn't expect him to have THAT kind of power. Opening a Way between two specific places in one reality took a retired god.
And Drakul was like, bye.
Unless he just tossed Chandler into the great big empty, and Chandler's own time magic resulted in his own Way taking him elsewhen.
ahh, yes well ahem. I must apologize for my outburst. Because that's not really condemning the Etruscan theory or any other outright as was implied.. just another shifty way not to give an answer. Usual stuff.Yeah, it's mostly a dodge on the question and admitting it isn't all completely mapped out yet. I doubt the White Court's official language being Etruscan is irrelevant to their origins.
3 heh, makes sense why Gruff gave Murphy so much personal clout.For the exact WoJ...
4 Chandler, or MM Chandler 🤔👀
8*inhales* LIAR! An so ya know if you read this Jim, as a put upon theorist just trying to find acceptance I do understand your desire to conceal the twists of your plot. But I absolutely hate that you did that. I don't forgive that one. I don't believe you for one second and would absolutely pull up to the urinal next to you in violation of the bathroom codex to force a private conversation on the matter.
I AM the Etruscan theory. 😠😫👿 I've been cheated on and felt less betrayed..
Who created the White Court of vampires and/or have we met them yet?
Who created them? Who asked that? Where are you? Hey man...
They've just been around for a long long time. I actually myself haven't gotten into the origins of that too much. Maybe I should do that...Yeah, would that be okay, guys? Okay.
Yeah, Harry's gonna be hanging out with Lara a lot. So, I suppose they've got to talk about something. He's got to date her once a month. It's a whole thing. The lawyers have got to look at the contracts for the date, and, you know, make sure things are within their prescribed limits and so on. It's a whole deal.
Hmmm, magic is heritary yes? So, is specific magic prowess also? Like, is Harry basically a young Eb? Superpowerful, good at a bit of everything, can beat you in combat because he'll use what you don't have, ect? I know Harry still has some holes in his powerset but most of that I'm starting to think is purely lack of practical practice with it. He adapts and evolves new styles and abilities between almost every book.I don't think magical style is necessarily genetic. I think an academic type heritage fits the Dresden Files better. Apprentices have styles most similar to their masters, even if their specialties don't really lead to direct copies.
I'm hoping if(when?) we see Ramirez vs Harry that Harry has that proverbial rabbit to pull out of his hat. The wizardly insight he's been putting together knowing full well he's gonna have to neutralize him eventually.
Mmm, harry is supposed to start shape shifting eventually I think? That's water magic, first step to overcoming something would be becoming more familiar with it's workings.
That isn't completely true. Remember back in Proven Guilty when Harry took on Molly as an apprentice? Eb told him that doing that would improve his many skills, which it has. One we know for sure is the use of veils, before Molly he rarely used them, and when he did, and when he did, he said they were next to useless. Now he can throw a decent one and also uses them a lot more. It isn't just a physcial boost from being Winter Knight, he has also learned a hell of a lot on how to control it and himself. He has also learned when and when not to use the ice magic that goes with it.. Also I'd think that ice might neutralize a lot of water magic. You are also leaving out Soul Fire, Harry has also learned a lot as to how effectively to use it to enhance his spells. And no, it has been several books now, since Harry has used the "burn it until it's dead" type approach.. I also think he has learned quite a bit from hanging out with Alfred. Specialty or not, if Carlos wants to take on Harry he will have his hands more than full. One last question for you, how many fair fights have there been in the whole of the series? I think only in and even then it is questionable, sanctioned duels will you find that the fights are even remotely fair... And as we saw, one side or the other will cheat some.. No, maybe in sporting matches there will be fair fights, but in combat/war? It is life and or death, both sides will try to gain their best advantage and worry about fairness later.We agree in the most orthogonal ways
I think we are all over rating "power" level or strength when it comes to someone going up against Harry. Almost always Harry makes the claim that he is fighting above his weight class, or this wizard or that wizard or some other being is way better or stronger that he is at some skill or other. Yet, most of the time, Harry comes out on top. Why is that? Harry also talks about how strong his will is, and that is key.. Out of stubbornness for lack of a better word to accept defeat in most cases, Harry fights until the end.. If there is a way around something, he will find a way... So Carlos is good at water magic, better than Harry, but still we didn't see him use it in Battle Ground when Mavra and company was taking out his friends. Yes, Harry got lucky with the conjuritis, but he took advantage of it as well. All I am saying Harry knows Carlos is better at water magic than he is, if Carlos comes for him, he will have figured out a way to neutralize it in time to stop Carlos. Just like Eb, he knew he'd lose to Eb one on one, so he preplanned with a doppelganger of himself, thus he got away and did what he needed to do.I mean, sure, if it isn't a fair fight, Harry can beat lots of people. Most fights in this series are not fair fights.
It's actually a pretty cool way of balancing characters, and realistic I think. Raw horsepower is only one aspect of using magic. Mental focus, intent, imagination, belief, will, knowledge, experience, emotion, magical preference ect.Yeah. The biggest difference between Harry and a senior council wizard at this point is the relative level of control. They're probably as powerful as he is (typically anyway; Eb is an outlier), but the power they can throw around is used much more efficiently. Ramirez is getting trained alongside other wizards while Harry has been going it mostly alone. It makes sense that Ramirez is developing that efficient touch faster than Harry.
Carlos taking on Dresden has more to do with the type of magic he uses (a water mage is a natural counter to a fire mage), and it's difficult to use because it's delicate (so Harry isn't naturally gifted with it). Eb on the other hand is the most dangerous wizard in the world when it comes to magical duels as Jim has said that Eb can use all forms of magic, and counter any magic you try to use against him.
Would winter have become more like summer if the summer knight was sacrificed on the stone table?The Summer knight is probably not metaphysically heavy enough to perceptibly change Winter. The knight is an order of magnitude lower than a Lady, who is an order of magnitude below a Queen, who is at least an order of magnitude below the Mothers.
Would they? They weren't when Slate was Knight.. With the kind of power the mantle has, Knights are not like paper cups at all, a bad Knight is a lot worse than no Knight at all.Sure they are. Some of the faerie knights only get sent on one mission total before they need replacing. You don't need anyone special to be an equal to Fix. All he has going for him beyond a bit of bravery is the mantle's instincts. Anyone of the caliber of Marcone's troubleshooters could be Winter Knight, and he finds enough of them in Chicago. Mab isn't a worse recruiter than Marcone.
She already had that in Slate and he was a traitorous disaster, no, though it was Maeve that picked him, Mab would make certain that mistake wouldn't be repeated.But things would have been even. Knights are like paper cups. Use them and replace as needed. Mab was holding out for a really good one in Harry, but push come to shove, a temp works just fine until then.
She knew she was down a Knight, and her right hand go to Fae, Lea... That is two out of the three.One and a half. Finding a real piece of work to be temp Winter Knight wouldn't be hard for the scary queen of faerie. It wouldn't even have to be a good candidate to be as good as Fix.
Could she? I doubt it is that simple, 1] the new Knight would have to be willing to kill Slate,2] the new Knight would have to handle the power of the mantle and take orders,3] I doubt the new Knight would resign, so someone would have to be willing to kill him or her.
There is your answer..
I never said she couldn't, it just doesn't fit my internal picture of Mab.Mab is efficient and probably wouldn't act like that without a strategy, but the point is that being down a knight was voluntary on her part. SK was a crisis because it risked losing the Summer Knight mantle permanently. Mab icing Slate for a while is an imbalance on a much smaller scale. It makes the bluffing against weakness theory less likely.
I somehow think that cutting a temps throat just to replace him with Harry would violate Winter law.Mother Winter nearly did it to Harry. The queens can do whatever to court affiliated mortals.