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Thresholds
« on: February 02, 2026, 10:37:01 PM »
So 12M made a point of mentioning that the castle had a strong threshold on account of how many neighbor families Harry had welcomed in while their homes were uninhabitable.  Including the roof, per the gargoyles.

Previously, we've got WoJ about vampires and thresholds that the White Court could cross a threshold uninvited but they'd be barely able to use any supernatural mojo, the Red would be nearly disabled by doing so, and the Black just couldn't.

So ... what the hell?

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Re: Thresholds
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2026, 06:07:09 AM »
The castle does have a strong threshold cause of the number of people calling it home. Harry invited the blampires in the final fight. He worded it carefully in a way that the blampires may think it was a mistake ( I may be wrong on this one). But he definitely invited them in on purpose. He had home court advantage and he used it. He can shift parts of the castle so fighting them inside the castle was easier

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Re: Thresholds
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2026, 01:22:03 PM »
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The castle does have a strong threshold cause of the number of people calling it home. Harry invited the blampires in the final fight. He worded it carefully in a way that the blampires may think it was a mistake ( I may be wrong on this one). But he definitely invited them in on purpose. He had home court advantage and he used it. He can shift parts of the castle so fighting them inside the castle was easier

Harry did say the castle's threshold was strengthened because several families were calling it home.  He did invite the vamps in because he had set a trap for them.  Simply stated the way Merlin had set up the castle's defenses, once the vamps were inside, Harry was able to drop the whole second floor on top of their heads and squished them. 

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Re: Thresholds
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2026, 05:03:43 PM »
What's really weird to me was that the below quote counted as an invitation to Basil.

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“Okay, you!” I shouted up at the sky. “I’m officially tired of this! It’s about time you showed yourself, or else leave me the hell alone! It’s potpie night and I’m hungry!”

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Re: Thresholds
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2026, 07:06:15 PM »


  Maybe because Basil was in the sky and landing on a roof and not entering a door or window it isn't technically a threshold?  ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2026, 08:03:42 PM »

  Maybe because Basil was in the sky and landing on a roof and not entering a door or window it isn't technically a threshold?  ??? ??? ???
Remember if you have no ill intent towards the household the threshold isn't a problem. Case in point the brownies ( Harry's cleaning service), Mab or lea or whoever fixed little Chicago. Basil had no ill intent towards Harry

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2026, 10:41:58 PM »
Remember if you have no ill intent towards the household the threshold isn't a problem. Case in point the brownies ( Harry's cleaning service), Mab or lea or whoever fixed little Chicago. Basil had no ill intent towards Harry

  That seems right, but though Lily arranged for the Brownies to come in and clean, it never said whether or not they had to be invited in the first time. 

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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 12:12:49 AM »

  Maybe because Basil was in the sky and landing on a roof and not entering a door or window it isn't technically a threshold?  ??? ??? ???

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The creature tilted his head and blinked its eyes at me. “You invited me, did you not?” “Hah,” I said. I totally had, when I’d told him to come down. The outer defenses of the castle were based upon the foundation of its threshold, the magical energy field around any home. Given all the people living under my roof at the moment, that threshold had been a very, very solid one—and I’d invited the thing right past it. “Hah, heh, hah. I…actually did, didn’t I?”

Some of the other characters go on about it. So it's definitely an invitation.

Faeries can enter without an invitation, but have to behave as guests. It's explained in Cold Days by Cat Sith. (Has anyone brought this up in relation to who fixed Little Chicago.

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Re: Thresholds
« Reply #8 on: Today at 01:47:52 AM »
My b. Fell asleep reading and missed where to pick back up by the half page or so that contained that explanation.

On a related note though ... could an argument be made that Harry owes Drakul a favor in exchange for the warning?  There have been cases where a favor is incurred without prior negotiation, even when the party owing it benefited only indirectly from someone else's actions.  The most prominent example being Marcone owing Harry one for saving him from the Denarians, even though Harry acted out of opposition to the Denarians rather than out of directly wanting to do Marcone a solid.  The promo blurb for Out Law similarly seems to imply Harry owes Marcone for his help against Ethniu, even though that was about defeating a common enemy rather than helping Harry for Harry's sake.