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Re: Thomas and the Svartelves
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2026, 11:20:36 PM »
Controlled or coerced?   Was Thomas physically forced?  You can argue that he wasn't, but when he was told that his wife and unborn child would be murdered if he didn't?  I'd say it's a distinction without a difference.

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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2026, 03:34:48 PM »
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 I don't think so because

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Re: Thomas and the Svartelves
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2026, 05:35:22 PM »
I agree that Etri took the coercion into consideration and showed as much mercy as he could.

If Thomas had been sick puppeted, I don't think Etri would have demanded any punishment of Thomas.

 
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“There is a spirit I will not name,” I said. “A being that works toward chaos and conflict. One who can possess almost anyone and cause them to act against their will.” “No,” Etri said calmly. “I know the being of which you speak. Our security measures would have detected any such invasive spirit the moment it crossed our threshold—even that one. You cannot excuse his actions thus.
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This implies that if Thomas was controlled, not merely coerced, his actions would have been excused.

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Re: Thomas and the Svartelves
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2026, 07:45:03 PM »
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“There is a spirit I will not name,” I said. “A being that works toward chaos and conflict. One who can possess almost anyone and cause them to act against their will.” “No,” Etri said calmly. “I know the being of which you speak. Our security measures would have detected any such invasive spirit the moment it crossed our threshold—even that one. You cannot excuse his actions thus.”
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This implies that if Thomas was controlled, not merely coerced, his actions would have been excused.
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Thomas wasn't possessed, that's what Etri was saying, so Thomas has to take some responsibility and be held as responsible.  It's a fine line really, Thomas wasn't a sock puppet, yet he was being blackmailed in the worst possible way.  He did have a choice, but one with a bad outcome no matter which one he chose.

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Re: Thomas and the Svartelves
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2026, 08:22:36 PM »
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Etri took a slow drink of his ale, studying me. “In that event,” he said, “then the onus of my wrath belongs to a different being.” “And Thomas would be free of reprisal?” “No,” Etri said with slow, granite intonation. “Though he may have been compelled, that does not change the consequence of his actions. Nor will I permit my nation to be seen as weak.” He turned one hand palm up. “However. There might be more latitude as to the nature of the reprisal.”

Here is where Etri is saying coercion results in mitigation. The "You cannot excuse his actions thus” quote implies that control would result in no personal responsibility for Thomas. This I think Etri distinguishes between control and coercion.

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Re: Thomas and the Svartelves
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2026, 11:20:59 PM »
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Here is where Etri is saying coercion results in mitigation. The "You cannot excuse his actions thus” quote implies that control would result in no personal responsibility for Thomas. This I think Etri distinguishes between control and coercion.
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Possibly, but I also think there is a bit of politics involved as well.  It's like even though Harry was able to prove Morgan was innocent, it didn't matter because of appearances Morgan had to be sacrificed.  I don't think Etri could explain it in such a way that it would satisfy his people, and this was the best he could come up with.  I think what Etri is saying is, yes, you can explain
Thomas' actions thus, even excuse them, but the scales have to be balanced to satisfy my people.  So Thomas is allowed to live, but not without pain, because he took an innocent life, so they took his son.. A life for a life, without death.