Thomas and the Svartelves

[RobReece]

Will the discovery that Nemesis was behind the attack on Etri, will that remove the charges and enmity against Thomas?

[Dina]

I don't knoe if the Svartelves know about Nemesis, but even so, Thomas acted on his own free will. He was deceived, but he made the choice. So in my opinion, it won't change a lot.

[Lord Kinbote]

Maybe all that buys Thomas some measure of undertanding and leniency from the Svartelves, but does that help how the Svartelves view Harry?

[Mira]

Maybe all that buys Thomas some measure of undertanding and leniency from the Svartelves, but does that help how the Svartelves view Harry?

We have to see, if Thomas has a trial a lot will come out. 

[Mr. Mouse]

I could see the duress being a reason for the svartelves to forego killing Thomas, but he still murdered one of their own and a very high weregild would still be demanded.

[g33k]

... if Thomas has a trial a lot will come out. 

Might come out... but we've seen how political some of these supernatural trials can be; remember how much the findings of Morgan's trial were so complete and comprehensive!

Plus, even the Biggest Names in the supernatural world are reluctant to speak the name "Nemesis" so I can't really see it going to trial without all of them making sure their people know to keep some details & Names buried.

[Mira]

I could see the duress being a reason the svartelves to forego killing Thomas, but he still murdered one of their own and a very high weregild would still be demanded.

This, so who is going to pay it?  The White Court, since Thomas is a vampire, or the White Council because Thomas is the half brother of a then White Council member, Harry and the grandson of Eb who not only is a member of the White Council, but a sitting member of the Senior Council.. Even if Eb claims he didn't know, would they believe him?

[g33k]

This, so who is going to pay it?  The White Court, since Thomas is a vampire, or the White Council because Thomas is the half brother of a then White Council member, Harry and the grandson of Eb who not only is a member of the White Council, but a sitting member of the Senior Council.. Even if Eb claims he didn't know, would they believe him? 

The Whamps (specifically, Lara) would pay it.
The White Council would not -- Thomas is a Vamp, it's Vamp-business.
I suspect Eb hates the very idea of Thomas existing, and would just as soon the Svartalven vengeance erased that blot on the McCoy family honor.
 

[Mira]

The Whamps (specifically, Lara) would pay it.
The White Council would not -- Thomas is a Vamp, it's Vamp-business.
I suspect Eb hates the very idea of Thomas existing, and would just as soon the Svartalven vengeance erased that blot on the McCoy family honor.

Will she? 

[g33k]

Will she? 

I'm pretty sure she would... if they'd accept a weregild instead of blood (which I think a very chancy bet).

It's only money, which I think
 (a) the Whamps don't really value that much (it's just a mortal-centric scorekeeping device)
and
 (b) Lara is in control of the decision, and repeatedly goes to great lengths for Thomas

[Mira]

It's only money, which I think
 (a) the Whamps don't really value that much (it's just a mortal-centric scorekeeping device)
and
 (b) Lara is in control of the decision, and repeatedly goes to great lengths for Thomas
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  Money is power, Lara is into power so I am not sure she would take the attitude that it was only money.  I think the only thing that will settle the matter is the finding of Justine, and 1] prove she is pregnant, 2] why whom, 3] reveal the Outsider behind it.  That has to happen first, then I think a weregild can be discussed , not before. 

[Mr. Mouse]

Will the discovery that Nemesis was behind the attack on Etri, will that remove the charges and enmity against Thomas?

There's a passage in "Bombshells" that might be key if Thomas becomes seen as merely a hammer.

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“What about the turtlenecks?” I asked.
“What of them?”
“Will you . . . deal with them?”
Etri just looked at me. “Why would we?”
“They were sort of in on it,” I said.
“They were property,” said the svartalf. “If a man strikes you with a hammer,
it is the man who is punished. There is no reason to destroy the hammer.
We care nothing for them.”

[Mira]

  Yes, in a sense Thomas is the hammer, or was the hammer, but not to do damage to the Svartelves, but in an effort to weaken the world for the Outsiders to invade. 

[Bad Alias]

The turtlenecks are property under the Accords. Thomas isn't. He also wasn't controlled by another force. He was coerced. Etri may or may not view that as different.

If Etri knows the whole story, he may want to kill Thomas, Justine, and the child as deterrence.

[Mira]

The turtlenecks are property under the Accords. Thomas isn't. He also wasn't controlled by another force. He was coerced. Etri may or may not view that as different.

If Etri knows the whole story, he may want to kill Thomas, Justine, and the child as deterrence.

Controlled or coerced?   Was Thomas physically forced?  You can argue that he wasn't, but when he was told that his wife and unborn child would be murdered if he didn't?  I'd say it's a distinction without a difference.