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is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2025, 12:31:56 PM ---If they were the same Nic, as Kurtin suggested Nicodemus could have been a very common name. It doesn't matter if he was important at the time or not, but somehow he got tied both to the noose and one of the silver coins with one of the Fallen entrapped inside. Jim is either leading us down a rabbit hole of implied meaning, or Nic somehow has direct or indirect ties to Judas.
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There is indeed one historical Nicodemus outside the bible, apparently (though some scholars suggest they are the same, I think that's reaching... the first was accomplished around the year 30, the second Nicodemus was active around the year 70). And wikipedia mentions it's not sure if the name has Hebrew or Greek origins. So trying to answer which Nicodemus, and why, seems to risk a rabbit hole...
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on September 15, 2025, 05:41:31 AM ---There is indeed one historical Nicodemus outside the bible, apparently (though some scholars suggest they are the same, I think that's reaching... the first was accomplished around the year 30, the second Nicodemus was active around the year 70). And wikipedia mentions it's not sure if the name has Hebrew or Greek origins. So trying to answer which Nicodemus, and why, seems to risk a rabbit hole...
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Not unusal, and maybe that's the point? I seem to remember in Skin Game that it was mentioned that Nic had Greek origins, and further hinted or would seem to suggest outside of the New Testament. Yet at the same time the connections to Judas seem obvious. However since Greeks did travel in the time of Jesus, both can be true at once. As in Nic isn't the Nic of the Bible, however he is Greek, and happened to somehow both hook up with Judas and pick up one of the silver coins. After all not much if anything is said about Judas after he hanged himself. I could be wrong there, I am not all that up on the Bible. However there are other Books of the New Testament that have been edited out in the last couple of thousand years, something may have been said in one of those.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 15, 2025, 02:11:05 PM --- ... I seem to remember in Skin Game that it was mentioned that Nic had Greek origins ...
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I don't recall this, but could easily have missed it... Can you find the citation, perchance?
--- Quote from: Mira on September 15, 2025, 02:11:05 PM --- ... However since Greeks did travel in the time of Jesus, both can be true at once ...
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The "Hellenistic" period of Greek dominance throughout the eastern-Med / middle-East was just coming to a close, but people with "Greek origins" were ubiquitous across the entire region.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't recall this, but could easily have missed it... Can you find the citation, perchance?
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Okay, I did some digging, and I didn't find anything definitive, I am thinking now that it was just an impression I got. It says in
Skin Game that Nic has taken great pains over the centuries to hide his origins. I looked up his last name is either Hebrew or Greek in origin, it sounds Greek to me, maybe that's where I got the impression? As to whether he is the Nicodemus from the Bible the reference I found on the Dresden Files said that may have been a coincidence that that name was the same. I tend to agree with that, as far as that Nicodemus i.e. the one who took Jesus down from the Cross and put him in his own tomb being the evil Nic we know today from the books. The site did mention that noose and the connection to Judas, and in Skin Game Harry is quite clear as to the silver coins that imprison the Fallen are the 37 coins of silver that Judas was paid off with for betraying Jesus.
--- Quote ---The "Hellenistic" period of Greek dominance throughout the eastern-Med / middle-East was just coming to a close, but people with "Greek origins" were ubiquitous across the entire region.
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That is true.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2025, 04:57:53 AM --- ... It says in
Skin Game that Nic has taken great pains over the centuries to hide his origins. I looked up his last name is either Hebrew or Greek in origin, it sounds Greek to me, maybe that's where I got the impression ...
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It has suddenly occurred to me: very likely "Nicodemus Archleone" is a fake name: just misdirection, and entirely unrelated to his birth name.
But after a few millenia... odds are, there's only a few entities who know this!
--- Quote from: Mira on September 17, 2025, 04:57:53 AM --- ... the 37 coins of silver that Judas was paid ...
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30, fwiw.
Many of them are un-named onscreen. Quite a few haven't even had any "onscreen" time.
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