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is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?
Mira:
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That only makes sense.. Here is a tin hat theory that popped into my head during this discussion. Actually it fits with what you just said. What if Nic is actually Judas? He made a deal and accepted a coin/Andriel along with the 36 other inhabited coins when he betrayed Jesus. Then with Andriel's help he faked his death by hanging, that's why the noose is so important, and this is how the coins got into circulation.
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True, but that's partly because not all of the coins are in circulation at one time. Again my memory, but I think Father Forthill said that or it may have been Michael. When they can get them, the Church tries to keep them locked away. However over time someone gets corrupted and they manage to get into circulation again.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2025, 05:10:31 AM --- ... What if Nic is actually Judas? He made a deal and accepted a coin ... Then with Andriel's help he faked his death by hanging, that's why the noose is so important, and this is how the coins got into circulation...
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That...
Uh...
That actually makes a Hell (in both the "H" and "h" senses of hell) of a lot of sense.
The Bible actually says it: Judas did make a deal, did accept the coins.
He made the unholiest deal of all, betraying God to His death.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2025, 05:10:31 AM --- ... along with the 36 other inhabited coins when he betrayed Jesus ...
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29 other coins.
Dunno where you got 37 from? Pretty sure you're mistaken.
(minor point; but still)
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2025, 05:10:31 AM --- ... When they can get them, the Church tries to keep them locked away. However over time someone gets corrupted and they manage to get into circulation again.
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The whole "someone gets corrupted" is I think a common mechanism for coins to get into circulation.
But also: Lash was very clear that she could teach Harry in moments how to summon the coin. I bet that would have been equally true if he had already turned it over to the Church.
I have a WAG that (at least some) Fallen can imprint a Shadow onto a mortal easily, and do so often, usually having half a dozen (or more) Shadows operating at any given moment. These Shadows would mainly serve as "emergency backup" -- any of them can summon the coin out of the Church's clutches. In the meantime, the Shadow earns trust and proves their value by helping the Shadowed host achieve their goals: lots of wealth... lots of hot sexual companions... power & influence... anything they want.
In the final analysis, I think the Denarii are supposed to be in circulation. They aren't allowed to languish in Church vaults or other hidden places.
Mira:
--- Quote ---29 other coins.
Dunno where you got 37 from? Pretty sure you're mistaken.
(minor point; but still)
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Merely a mistake, got my numbers wrong, lack of sleep and a lot on my mind when I wrote that, posting here can be a wonderful distraction.
--- Quote ---I have a WAG that (at least some) Fallen can imprint a Shadow onto a mortal easily, and do so often, usually having half a dozen (or more) Shadows operating at any given moment. These Shadows would mainly serve as "emergency backup" -- any of them can summon the coin out of the Church's clutches. In the meantime, the Shadow earns trust and proves their value by helping the Shadowed host achieve their goals: lots of wealth... lots of hot sexual companions... power & influence... anything they want.
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Which is why such a big deal was made about Harry being able to shake off the influence of a Shadow of one of the Fallen. This is why he was rewarded with Soul Fire by Uriel. Remember even normally trusting Micheal had a hard time believing that Harry had been able to resist Lasciel's Shadow, it just never happens. Apparently it is easier to reject a Coin than to reject the Shadow of one of the Fallen once they are in your head. Remember in Small Favor how sure Nic was that he had control of Harry because of Lasciel's Shadow, and how shocked he was when Harry told him that Lasciel's Shadow didn't live in his head anymore?
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