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Out Law, novella (?)
Mira:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on September 06, 2025, 05:31:11 PM ---My guess is that Marcone will have a case that breaks his rules but he cant act openly against the people responsible. So similar to the monster short he hires it out. Only this time harry is the only one available. Harry starts a war with Canada has Marcone feared he would in that story. And Marcone ends up hating harry even more
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No, I think the whole Denarian thing will end up going against Marcone's grain. Andruiel pulls it off with Nic fairly well, Nic still believes he has an equal partnership with Andruiel. Lasciel tried to convince Harry that that was the kind of partnership he could have with her if he accepted the coin. However thanks to his inadvertent soul gaze early on when we first meet the Denarians he knows that the host is really the slave of the fallen trapped in the coin, or he feared that. Based on that knowledge Harry stanchly refused to accept the coin. I don't think Marcone likes to be or wants to be a servant to Namshell, at the moment he maybe convinced he is in the driver's seat, but I think a day will come when Marcone will realize he isn't in charge of anything,that's the day he will regret his choice.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 06, 2025, 08:13:08 PM --- No, I think the whole Denarian thing will end up going against Marcone's grain. Andruiel pulls it off with Nic fairly well, Nic still believes he has an equal partnership with Andruiel. Lasciel tried to convince Harry that that was the kind of partnership he could have with her if he accepted the coin. However thanks to his inadvertent soul gaze early on when we first meet the Denarians he knows that the host is really the slave of the fallen trapped in the coin, or he feared that. Based on that knowledge Harry stanchly refused to accept the coin. I don't think Marcone likes to be or wants to be a servant to Namshell, at the moment he maybe convinced he is in the driver's seat, but I think a day will come when Marcone will realize he isn't in charge of anything,that's the day he will regret his choice.
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Regret it, sure.
But I feel the seductiveness of the Fallen would suffer if that regret were sufficient for Marcone to slip the noose and ditch the coin. We already saw Nicky almost redeemed, Harry and Sanya got out... adding a succesful Marcone redemption just feels like it needs way too much buildup. Unlike a Marcone who, like in Battle Ground, works for good despite still being in the clutches of the Fallen.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Regret it, sure.
But I feel the seductiveness of the Fallen would suffer if that regret were sufficient for Marcone to slip the noose and ditch the coin. We already saw Nicky almost redeemed, Harry and Sanya got out... adding a succesful Marcone redemption just feels like it needs way too much buildup. Unlike a Marcone who, like in Battle Ground, works for good despite still being in the clutches of the Fallen.
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Except for the fact that before Butters got the Sword of Faith, there was a lot of speculation that Marcone would be the next Knight. Now not sure, but I even think someone said that there was a WOJ that Jim had considered making Marcone the next Knight. There is one more Sword out there, the Sword of Love, yes, most think Thomas will get it, but what if it turns out to be Marcone, keeping with Jim's original idea?
RobReece:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 08, 2025, 01:48:13 PM ---Except for the fact that before Butters got the Sword of Faith, there was a lot of speculation that Marcone would be the next Knight. Now not sure, but I even think someone said that there was a WOJ that Jim had considered making Marcone the next Knight. There is one more Sword out there, the Sword of Love, yes, most think Thomas will get it, but what if it turns out to be Marcone, keeping with Jim's original idea?
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For that to happen, Marcone will have to take Sanya's route and give up his coin. There's already a Jewish Knight and an agnostic Knight, but I don't think Jim would propose for anyone to hold a coin and a sword at the same time, even temporarily.
Could you see Harry as the Triple Knight? Winter, Coin and Sword?
g33k:
--- Quote from: RobReece on September 08, 2025, 02:20:42 PM ---For that to happen, Marcone will have to take Sanya's route and give up his coin. There's already a Jewish Knight and an agnostic Knight, but I don't think Jim would propose for anyone to hold a coin and a sword at the same time, even temporarily.
Could you see Harry as the Triple Knight? Winter, Coin and Sword?
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The only way for one person to be simultaneously a KotBD & KotC would be for that Denarian to renounce their Fall and to be redeemed. I don't think that's going to happen, AFAIK it's canonically "impossible..." but that's real-world Church canon, and Jim is in charge of what's possible & what happens in the canon of the Dresdenverse.
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