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Ghost Story--two things
Dina:
I am not sure about all of that but I agree with Maggie knowing she was going to die as soon as Harry, who was protected, left her body. And I also agree she planned everything so he had a Starborn who was protected from Raith and her death curse would weakened Raith. I think Maggie trusted Harry would be protected and raised by Malcolm, and she trusted that would make Harry a good boy.
I do not think Raith knew about Harry. He may have suspected there was a child (I do not think he knew the child was a male even) but he could not find Harry because he has been protected, and then, as Mira said, DuMorne and Eb where enough to hide him. Of course, this only works if Raith did not know that Maggie had married Malcolm Dresden. Because Harry is using his name and he is even in the book! So someone with Raith contacts could find him in no time.
I do not remember how Thomas found out that Harry was his brother.
Back to the curse, I agree with Mira, Raith did not know it was fueled by her bloodline. If he knew I think he would have managed to have Thomas killed, one way or another.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 17, 2025, 06:20:09 PM --- .. If Harry was a dud, since Lea was the godmother,
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Woah .... um . Lea as the godmother is the to ensure that Harry isn't a dud. Harry has to grow up able to defend himself from anything and Lea will make sure that he is able to hang with anyone.
Ps Harry claims she took advantage of him, claims she wishes to make him her dog but hold on. Harry learns to be cautious of fae deals from her. By the time Mab comes for him he is able to make a pretty good deal with her based on his experience with Lea.
O she tried to turn him into a dog. But did she not really, every interaction they have Lea comes up just short and at times gives harry insite in to something that ends up helping him.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Woah .... um . Lea as the godmother is the to ensure that Harry isn't a dud. Harry has to grow up able to defend himself from anything and Lea will make sure that he is able to hang with anyone.
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Did she? Giving young Harry a Dumbo feather so he'd have confidence to go against Justin isn't exactly making sure he could hang with anyone. Actually we don't have that scene on page when Harry actually finds out he has a fairy godmother. Lea took no hand in his training like she did in Molly's case. Did she just pop up after Harry managed to kill HWWB? From the flashback in Ghost Story this happens after he escapes from Justin and HWWB turns up when he is at a gas station.. Seems to me that the Winter Court stayed pretty much hands off until they were sure young Harry had some skills.. Which goes back to the theory that it was Lea or Mab who had Malcolm murdered, because they wanted to limit his influence on Harry.. Further made sure that Eb wouldn't be able to track him down once he went into the foster system at the age of six.. This last makes no sense to me, and Eb has yet to answer those questions.. We also have no idea what Justin had in mind when he adopted Harry and Elaine.
So as we have learned over and over again, bargaining with the Fae can be tricky.. If Mab though Lea promised to watch over Harry, Lea did... Lea checked in when he was in the orphanage as this nice lady who was interested.. That isn't preparing Harry for anything, Lea didn't do anything when Justin adopted him, guess trusting that Justin would give him a good basic wizard education, but no clue of or what Justin's agenda was... The long and the short? From Mab's point of view, and thus Lea as well, Harry was watched over, so they kept up their end of the bargain, nothing was said about training, saving, guiding... If Harry turned out to be a dud, they still kept up their end of the bargain, they watched over him.. Since Harry wasn't, Lea steps in with a Dumbo feather after he defeats HWWB.. The Dumbo feather helped Harry with his confidence, but more importantly Lea made young inexperienced Harry commit to a bargain for that feather. That bargain would chain him to the Winter Court until such a time when Mab would be ready take the bargain over from Lea and begin to pressure Harry into being her Winter Knight... Long term plan?? You bet, Harry had been roped into eventually becoming Mab's Knight since before he was born.. That's why I think he really gets pissed when he finds out the real details of the bargain his mother made with Lea and thus Mab.
Lord Kinbote:
I haven't been following the ins and outs, the nuances, of this conversation but has anyone made the point that Maggie Sr. may have made a Rumpelstiltskin-like bargain with Lea/Mab? Maybe Maggie Sr., knowing of the WC's involvement with the Outsiders and what their end-game was, bargained for help escaping and being protect from the White Court in exchange for help becoming impregnated and birthing Harry as a Starborn? And maybe Maggie Sr.'s seemingly quick and short marriage to Harry's dad was all part of the bargain/plan? And maybe the mother's death - and maybe the father's - is part and parcel of birthing a Starborn? So maybe Harry has to come with grips with though loved by his parents, their union was more mercenary and wasn't 'just a girl standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her,' that he was intentionally created for a pre-planned purpose via a Maggie Sr./Mab scheme? A lot of maybes but I think Jim wants something potentially soul crushing that Harry has to deal with and find some measure of peace with.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Lord Kinbote on June 19, 2025, 03:51:17 PM ---I haven't been following the ins and outs, the nuances, of this conversation but has anyone made the point that Maggie Sr. may have made a Rumpelstiltskin-like bargain with Lea/Mab? Maybe Maggie Sr., knowing of the WC's involvement with the Outsiders and what their end-game was, bargained for help escaping and being protect from the White Court in exchange for help becoming impregnated and birthing Harry as a Starborn? And maybe Maggie Sr.'s seemingly quick and short marriage to Harry's dad was all part of the bargain/plan? And maybe the mother's death - and maybe the father's - is part and parcel of birthing a Starborn? So maybe Harry has to come with grips with though loved by his parents, their union was more mercenary and wasn't 'just a girl standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her,' that he was intentionally created for a pre-planned purpose via a Maggie Sr./Mab scheme? A lot of maybes but I think Jim wants something potentially soul crushing that Harry has to deal with and find some measure of peace with.
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Somehow I don't think so if Malcolm was as good a man as everyone says he was. I think I remember Harry talking about a photo that he had and lost in the fire of his mother pregnant with him and his father and how happy they looked. If there were a lot of twists and turns I think it would all be on Winter's part.
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