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Murphy
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--- Quote from: magnuskn on August 29, 2025, 07:56:18 PM ---Or maybe Santa Claus is running a big con on Harry and she was faking it under his orders. I am, in retrospect, actually kinda surprised how things went down, with Murphy being a devout catholic. One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
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Considering how big a deal free will Murphy had to be given a choice. Go in to the light, or join be Odin crew.
Does anyone one still have the quote about Odin having Soul fire. Im not sure but it seems to be used in the creation of einherjar and valkyries.
Mira:
--- Quote ---How would that be poor writing? Jim has set up Murphy to be kind of a living Valkyrie since about book two, where it was first mentioned that Harry perceived her as such. I just re-read the early books a few weeks ago (in preparation for Twelve Months) and was quite surprised to find that reference in there so early.
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I don't remember his ever saying that about her in the early books. He saw her as a cop. He did see her with his wizard's sight and saw her as kind of an angel, but not as a Valkyrie.
--- Quote ---He still just died, probably before her eyes, so grief would be a natural reaction. Or maybe she sensed it beforehand (like she did with Harry, before Marcone intervened many books ago) and felt overcome when it finally happened.
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Hey, if she knew for sure about Hendricks, that he'd be with her forever, and she would know because she hauls these warriors off to Valhalla, she wouldn't be sad. Also Gard wouldn't have a reason to lie about it, she says it's one of the rules.
--- Quote ---Or maybe Santa Claus is running a big con on Harry and she was faking it under his orders. I am, in retrospect, actually kinda surprised how things went down, with Murphy being a devout catholic. One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
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I was surprised as well. Murphy rejected being a Holy Knight after Changes, remember? She felt she was a better judge than God, then she got a Holy Sword broken. Not saying that was enough for her not to go to Heaven and work for her father, but that might be why she went to Valhalla instead.
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 30, 2025, 02:45:08 PM --- I don't remember his ever saying that about her in the early books. He saw her as a cop. He did see her with his wizard's sight and saw her as kind of an angel, but not as a Valkyrie.
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Death Masks, chapter five, page 55 of the softcover. "That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw". So, yeah, book five. It all blurs together a bit when you read them sequentially.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 30, 2025, 02:45:08 PM ---Hey, if she knew for sure about Hendricks, that he'd be with her forever, and she would know because she hauls these warriors off to Valhalla, she wouldn't be sad. Also Gard wouldn't have a reason to lie about it, she says it's one of the rules.
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Yeah, she says it's one of the rules. And I find that statement sus as hell, for reasons enunciated above. The rule sounds made up on the spot for me, because we never heard of anything of the like before in-universe.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 30, 2025, 02:45:08 PM ---I was surprised as well. Murphy rejected being a Holy Knight after Changes, remember? She felt she was a better judge than God, then she got a Holy Sword broken. Not saying that was enough for her not to go to Heaven and work for her father, but that might be why she went to Valhalla instead.
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She also used the holy sword at Chitzen Itza and was used directly by God as a vessel to deliver his verbal message. Heaven owes her a bit, IMO. So, I suspect shenanigans from both Uriel and Odin to keep her in the game.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Death Masks, chapter five, page 55 of the softcover. "That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw". So, yeah, book five. It all blurs together a bit when you read them sequentially.
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Just checked my paperback copy of Death Masks, and that line isn't on page 55. Lots of talk about demons and such, and it is a conversation with Murphy, but her being a monster hunting Valkyrie wasn't mentioned. And yes, I remember killing the chloromons
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ter with the chainsaw, bad assed to be sure, but that doesn't mean she will become a Valkyrie.
--- Quote ---Yeah, she says it's one of the rules. And I find that statement sus as hell, for reasons enunciated above. The rule sounds made up on the spot for me, because we never heard of anything of the like before in-universe.
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Jim makes up a lot of rules, that is why it is fiction. The argument against what you are saying is there is no motive for Gard to make up that rule. She has no reason to want to be mean to Harry, which telling him that sounds mean if it wasn't true. She has been taking dead warriors to Valhalla for a very long time and should know the rules. Actually it sounds more like she is trying to comfort Harry, telling him that Murphy has earned her rest.
--- Quote ---She also used the holy sword at Chitzen Itza and was used directly by God as a vessel to deliver his verbal message. Heaven owes her a bit, IMO. So, I suspect shenanigans from both Uriel and Odin to keep her in the game.
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Yes, she was a Holy Knight for one night, then she took matters into her own hands. Since when does Heaven owe anyone anything? Taking Murphy to Valhalla keeps her in the game, it's just you won't see her till the final BAT.
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 01, 2025, 01:19:00 PM --- Just checked my paperback copy of Death Masks, and that line isn't on page 55. Lots of talk about demons and such, and it is a conversation with Murphy, but her being a monster hunting Valkyrie wasn't mentioned. And yes, I remember killing the chloromonster with the chainsaw, bad assed to be sure, but that doesn't mean she will become a Valkyrie.
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It's on page 55 of my softcover, I might have a different version than yours. Just check the chapter, I found it there this morning and it's a direct quote.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 01, 2025, 01:19:00 PM ---Jim makes up a lot of rules, that is why it is fiction. The argument against what you are saying is there is no motive for Gard to make up that rule. She has no reason to want to be mean to Harry, which telling him that sounds mean if it wasn't true. She has been taking dead warriors to Valhalla for a very long time and should know the rules. Actually it sounds more like she is trying to comfort Harry, telling him that Murphy has earned her rest.
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Might be my bias, but it sounded less genuine to me. Also, I enumerated my reasons why I think Uriel and Odin might be working together on this in my last posts.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 01, 2025, 01:19:00 PM ---Yes, she was a Holy Knight for one night, then she took matters into her own hands. Since when does Heaven owe anyone anything? Taking Murphy to Valhalla keeps her in the game, it's just you won't see her till the final BAT.
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You might want to check on Michael in regards to heaven owing people stuff, like all the angels posted around his house to keep his family safe, even after he left active service. And I highly doubt it'll be until the BAT we see her again. Although it's not that far away anymore in terms of number of books, so you might well be right, too.
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