The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
so ... soulgaze? the Sight?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 15, 2024, 12:39:03 PM --- If the soul gaze is so subjective, then it never be used as evidence when someone is being judged ...
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WoJ (same source doc) on Soulgazes:
--- Quote ---What it shows you is /true/. But it isn’t necessarily /all/.
For instance, a ‘gaze could show you that a man was self-disciplined, sober, highly organized, dedicated to his principles, and that he loved dogs, and all of that would be true.
But it doesn’t tell you everything about Adolf Hitler.
Granted, a soulgaze of Hitler would probably have given off a big vibe of either “crazy” or “ruthless” too. They tend to give you a pretty good core sample of the individual in question. However, every wizard gets things a little bit differently than any other, in terms of how the soulgaze is perceived. Not every wizard sees things in symbols and allegory, the way Harry does. There’s a whole spectrum of different “filters,” I suppose, of how the basic natures of others are perceived.
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Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 16, 2024, 04:41:15 AM ---WoJ (same source doc) on Soulgazes: What it shows you is /true/. But it isn’t necessarily /all/.
For instance, a ‘gaze could show you that a man was self-disciplined, sober, highly organized, dedicated to his principles, and that he loved dogs, and all of that would be true.
But it doesn’t tell you everything about Adolf Hitler.
Granted, a soulgaze of Hitler would probably have given off a big vibe of either “crazy” or “ruthless” too. They tend to give you a pretty good core sample of the individual in question. However, every wizard gets things a little bit differently than any other, in terms of how the soulgaze is perceived. Not every wizard sees things in symbols and allegory, the way Harry does. There’s a whole spectrum of different “filters,” I suppose, of how the basic natures of others are perceived.
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Which is why given the Merlin's admitted prejudice against talented kids who screw up because dark magic is easier and they don't know better, he shouldn't have been the one to soul gaze the Korean kid. Because the Merlin believes that trying to rehab these kids is a waste of time and dangerous, he'd only see the worst and nothing redeeming about the kid. Why Harry didn't argue that point? At least request that he, himself, also gaze the Korean kid or another more neutral minded wizard do it. The outcome might have still been the same, but the process would have perhaps been seen as a bit more fair.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 16, 2024, 12:46:36 PM ---Which is why given the Merlin's admitted prejudice against talented kids who screw up because dark magic is easier and they don't know better, he shouldn't have been the one to soul gaze the Korean kid. Because the Merlin believes that trying to rehab these kids is a waste of time and dangerous, he'd only see the worst and nothing redeeming about the kid. Why Harry didn't argue that point? At least request that he, himself, also gaze the Korean kid or another more neutral minded wizard do it. The outcome might have still been the same, but the process would have perhaps been seen as a bit more fair.
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First of all the Korean kid was too far gone, just reading about his crimes told everyone that he was to far gone. He had bent to many minds to his will twisting his own in the process. I suspect the soulgaze was a formality.
Molly on the other hand had bent 2 minds, one a willing participant at that , the other willing from a certain point of view.
Both the soulgaze and the sight are linked snd subjective but so is almost everything we do.
I tend to view them like an interrogation techniques. A trained officer with years of experience can usually tell a suspect is quilty , or at least hiding something that is crucial from a simple interview. Of course the same officers can let the bias lend them to make the wrong conclusion but most of the time their instincts are right.
Lie detectors which are not based in science at all Work the same way. An experienced operator can tell the person is lying but again their own bias will cloud the results.
The Merlin is old and experienced sure he is biased but hopefully he can separate his feelings from the situ
g33k:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on December 16, 2024, 03:41:58 PM --- ... Molly on the other hand had bent 2 minds, one a willing participant at that , the other willing from a certain point of view ...
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AFAIK, Molly got permission from neither Nelson nor Rosie.
Nelson was cold-bloodedly chosen as a lab-rat, a sacrificial test-case.
Mira:
--- Quote ---First of all the Korean kid was too far gone, just reading about his crimes told everyone that he was to far gone. He had bent to many minds to his will twisting his own in the process. I suspect the soulgaze was a formality.
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Formality? That should never be in a capital case.
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