The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Ebenezar said something that confuses me and p's me off
Yuillegan:
To me, the likely conclusion is that Ebenezer is omitting important information in that statement.
The "why" seems pretty important here.
For example, it could be that Starborn are immune to mind corruption from the outsiders because they themselves are part-Outsider.
Which might explain the White Council's aggression towards Harry over the years etc.
But that's just one theory.
I also think that given that WoJ is that being a Starborn is very "unlucky" and something most don't want to be...I doubt it's just resistance/immunity to Outsider mind taint.
Also, it would appear that while tens of thousands of more Starborn are made during the Event (it might be that you literally must be exposed to star light during that time), most apparently are killed off very quickly. harry is one of the few of his iteration, apparently.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I also think that given that WoJ is that being a Starborn is very "unlucky" and something most don't want to be...I doubt it's just resistance/immunity to Outsider mind taint.
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As in real life, think of the real heroes of history, many or most of the famous, almost all have had a tragic or unhappy side to their lives because of what they are. I think this is true of Harry, there are things that normal people can have, even everyday wizards can have, that Harry cannot have simply because of who he is. That's what I think Eb isn't telling him because that is a difficult concept to accept. Or is Eb afraid that if Harry really knew what it meant to be starborn, it might go to his head and affect his attitude.
KurtinStGeorge:
I thought of this possibility right after I posted my original post to open this thread, but I wanted to wait to see if anyone else came up with the same idea.
What if Nemesis isn’t an Outsider? What if Nemesis was originally a card carry member of our universe, but after some titanic conflict in the distant past, was driven outside our reality as punishment for past crimes and or to prevent future calamities. Unfortunately, Nemesis not only survived being the outside our reality, it thrived there and co-opted or took over the Outsiders that existed there, and ever since doing so, has been trying to get back inside our reality.
If the knowledge that Nemesis isn’t an Outsider has been passed down from those who were in the know to those who have need know, then Morgan and te Senior Council isn’t afraid Harry can be possessed by an Outsider, they are afraid Harry can be possessed by Nemesis. In this scenario, their fear of Harry being “a creature of Nemesis” make more sense.
Mira:
--- Quote ---If the knowledge that Nemesis isn’t an Outsider has been passed down from those who were in the know to those who have need know, then Morgan and te Senior Council isn’t afraid Harry can be possessed by an Outsider, they are afraid Harry can be possessed by Nemesis. In this scenario, their fear of Harry being “a creature of Nemesis” make more sense.
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Or the simply are willfully ignorant and kept ignorant as Rashid said paraphrasing, "The Council knows as much as it needs to know." Which brings up another question, Rashid seems to know about Harry, he had his own set of tests for Harry back in Summer Knight. Rashid was very frank with Harry and told him if he had any doubts he would have killed him himself. Yet other than turning up at most Council meetings except this last one to save Harry's bacon, Rashid won't say anything or can't say anything to really dispel fears about Harry. However let's turn it around, what if an influential member of the Senior Council is possessed by Nemesis? I don't think the intrigue with in the Senior Council has been fully explored yet.
I don't think that Nemesis and Outsiders are the same. It doesn't make sense that the Senior Council, or any member there of if they thought that Harry could be immune to Outsiders but not Nemesis given how dangerous they know Nemesis is, wouldn't have insisted that Rashid give Harry a full scan at the age of 16! While Rashid's scan with his eye might not be perfect, it is better than just a guess. Especially at least one or two members seem to know, or think they know what Harry was meant to be, Martha Liberty for one.
Destroyer is mentioned, but destroyer of what? Not to mention if "destroyer" means Nemesis, why didn't they just lop off Harry's head when he was 16 and ask questions later? They've done it before with suspected young warlocks with less evidence.
g33k:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on December 04, 2024, 03:21:48 AM ---I thought of this possibility right after I posted my original post to open this thread, but I wanted to wait to see if anyone else came up with the same idea.
What if Nemesis isn’t an Outsider? What if Nemesis was originally a card carry member of our universe, but after some titanic conflict in the distant past, was driven outside our reality as punishment for past crimes and or to prevent future calamities. Unfortunately, Nemesis not only survived being the outside our reality, it thrived there and co-opted or took over the Outsiders that existed there, and ever since doing so, has been trying to get back inside our reality.
If the knowledge that Nemesis isn’t an Outsider has been passed down from those who were in the know to those who have need know, then Morgan and te Senior Council isn’t afraid Harry can be possessed by an Outsider, they are afraid Harry can be possessed by Nemesis. In this scenario, their fear of Harry being “a creature of Nemesis” make more sense.
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Nemesis -- by name -- is a Greek goddess of old.
I have been presuming she is fully possessed-by or cooperating-with Outsiders, but is still in some sense that entity. I cannot imagine Jim Butcher picked the name by accident!
I think one of the HWWB's (or maybe all of them, collectively?) are also "Nemesis."
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