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Harry's full name
TrueMonk:
I guess it can mean two things:
1: An outsider cannot use someone inside reality's name against them
2: Saying ones full name inside ones own head is not the same as saying it with ones own lips in the "real world"
With number 1 there is not really much to discuss because the amount of outsider interaction is too small.
With number 2. I wonder if it would be the same if it had been corpsetaker he said his full name to as a defence against a mental attack?
So when summoning someone from the Nevernever it is enough to have read their name or heard it second hand. But with a mortal it has to be heard from their own lips. I wonder how much difference it makes to have heard the name from the beings own lips when that being is from the nevernever.
Maybe there is not that much to talk about after all. I just found it interesting that it is (perhaps) the only instance where it is say ones full name.
Mira:
--- Quote ---2: Saying ones full name inside ones own head is not the same as saying it with ones own lips in the "real world"
--- End quote ---
Since Shark Face is really the Outsider, HE WHO WALKS BEFORE, the whole attack happened inside of Harry's head.. However Harry is a starborn ergo can wield power over Outsiders. So Harry did just that, using the power of his own name and kicked some Outsider butt!
The Erking approved!
--- Quote ---"Well done, starborn!"
--- End quote ---
Starborn is the key, I think. Since Harry is starborn and has power over Outsiders and Outsiders have no power over him, Harry can say his name, or in this case use his name without harm or fear of attack from using it.
Avernite:
My personal thesis is that, for mortals, a True Name simply makes a conduit between the speaker and the Named. Harry is stubborn as can be, and uses his full being to repel Mother Winter. Against the Outsider, because he's Starborn, his full being is also enough.
Of course if he had used his Name against Mother Winter she could randomly reconnect to Harry at inconvenient times, but Outsiders are Out, and speaking Harry's name on the Outside does nothing. Bit asymmetric, since names of outsiders do call them in to reality, but eh... that's my WAG anyway :)
Mira:
--- Quote ---Of course if he had used his Name against Mother Winter she could randomly reconnect to Harry at inconvenient times, but Outsiders are Out, and speaking Harry's name on the Outside does nothing. Bit asymmetric, since names of outsiders do call them in to reality, but eh... that's my WAG anyway :)
--- End quote ---
The difference is Harry has no power over Mother Winter, but she has power or can have power over him, she can use his name against him. In the case of Outsiders, because Harry is a star born, they have no power over him, so they cannot use his name against him.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 20, 2024, 03:56:33 PM ---The difference is Harry has no power over Mother Winter, but she has power or can have power over him, she can use his name against him. In the case of Outsiders, because Harry is a star born, they have no power over him, so they cannot use his name against him.
--- End quote ---
Harry has power to affect Mother Winter, he summoned her, Titania and Mab(willing summons) in Cold Days. What he does not have is the power to compel them to obey him.
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