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Dragon Con points of interest
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 13, 2024, 05:47:57 PM ---The physical space is irrelevant, though. The "space" inside Bob's skull isn't "space" but a connection to (what I suspect is) a demesne within the Nevernever.
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But it is relevant, neither Bob nor Bonnie can be expected to live in a tiny brain space. Bob clearly doesn't as we saw in Ghost Story, if what you say is true about a connection to the Nevernever, someone has to have the knowledge and talent to make that connection don' they? I mean there are portals to the Nevernever, but one has to know where they are and how to open them up. Harry carved that wooden scull as a backup home, but if he doesn't know how or cannot make that connection to make that space inside, what's the point? Another problem with your idea, Bob avoids the Nevernever, so would he be happy with such an arrangement?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2024, 09:59:25 PM --- ... But it is relevant, neither Bob nor Bonnie can be expected to live in a tiny brain space ...
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No, it's irrelevant; "space" (in the 3-dimensional sense) isn't what's involved.
Spirits can fit into arbitrarily-small spaces (through keyholes, under doors), but also expand into very large ones (such as when Bob filled Sue, or the brass lion).
Bob's skull not only fits Bob: it has room for a guest, as Harry discovered. What's more, the space didn't seem "cramped" -- several more could likely have visited, if it were needed.
So the inside of "Bob's Skull" offers more room to spirits than the physical space allows; more spirits can fit than brains can. So too (most likely) the wooden skull that Bonea has; Harry was clear that his wooden skull was cruder and less capacious, but it's still similar, and "good enough."
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2024, 09:59:25 PM --- ... Harry carved that wooden scull as a backup home, but if he doesn't know how or cannot make that connection to make that space inside, what's the point ...
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Harry had the original skull available -- and Bob's tutelage -- for years beforehand, to study. Both the runes & other carvings, but also the enchantments, the spells. And then had Bob available as a consultant, in prep for constructing the "backup" home.
Moreover: he did it. Whatever the minimum enchantments necessary to make a spirit-home skull, Harry managed.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2024, 09:59:25 PM --- ... Another problem with your idea, Bob avoids the Nevernever, so would he be happy with such an arrangement?
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Bob avoids the fae, particularly Winter, and most particularly Mab.
AFAIK, the only reason Bob "avoids the Nevernever" is the Fae/Winter/Mab issue. If the skull connects to a little isolated bubble of "Neverneverness" then Bob can go there and be safe. (***but I have a WAG about this!)
I think it's creating this isolated pocket anchored to the skull, that makes the job more than a simple carving. Harry could have bought a cheap wooden carved skull from a Día de los Muertos leftover-sale, if it were as simple as all that (2/$35 on Etsy, I just looked).
*** My WAG about Bob & his "fear of Mab:"
1/ I think Bob's "Spiritual Heavyweight" parent was Mab. I know that Lea is a fan-favorite, but IMHO she's too much of a lightweight power (I know, right?). Mab -- in charge of the Outer Gates of Creation -- is inestimably more-potent.
2/ I think Mab created a Shadow in the mortal wizard specifically to get a spirit-child (Bob) out of the deal (and if it was Mab, there was a deal!), likely Mab's Shadow providing knowledge/advice to the wizard-host, both as Mab's part of the deal and what Mab wanted in the first place.
3/ I think Mab wanted (and got) a "Spirit of Intellect" that would work closely with powerful human wizards, through the centuries; but one who, ultimately, served Mab's interests. A deep-cover sleeper-agent, if you will.
4/ I'm unclear if Bob knows he is Mab's agent (and is only pretending he's terrified of her), or if Bob is an unwitting accomplice; or what. But remember how Mab knew exactly what was going on with "the Parasite" and provided a carefully-crafted countermeasure (did Lea show any awareness whatsoever)? And how Mab gave Harry an "impossible" order, to kill an unkillable immortal... but knew Harry had access to Bob (who knew the secret). And how Bob more-or-less LIVED in Harry's lab... right across the Nevernever gate from the murdergarden of Mab's Handmaiden.
Mab could clearly have destroyed Bob any time she wanted to.
Bob's "fear" of Mab is pointless; the question becomes: is Bob fooled about his danger? Or is Bob fooling Harry?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 16, 2024, 11:41:24 PM ---
*** My WAG about Bob & his "fear of Mab:"
1/ I think Bob's "Spiritual Heavyweight" parent was Mab. I know that Lea is a fan-favorite, but IMHO she's too much of a lightweight power (I know, right?). Mab -- in charge of the Outer Gates of Creation -- is inestimably more-potent.
2/ I think Mab created a Shadow in the mortal wizard specifically to get a spirit-child (Bob) out of the deal (and if it was Mab, there was a deal!), likely Mab's Shadow providing knowledge/advice to the wizard-host, both as Mab's part of the deal and what Mab wanted in the first place.
3/ I think Mab wanted (and got) a "Spirit of Intellect" that would work closely with powerful human wizards, through the centuries; but one who, ultimately, served Mab's interests. A deep-cover sleeper-agent, if you will.
4/ I'm unclear if Bob knows he is Mab's agent (and is only pretending he's terrified of her), or if Bob is an unwitting accomplice; or what. But remember how Mab knew exactly what was going on with "the Parasite" and provided a carefully-crafted countermeasure (did Lea show any awareness whatsoever)? And how Mab gave Harry an "impossible" order, to kill an unkillable immortal... but knew Harry had access to Bob (who knew the secret).
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OK, I was thinking that this was an extreme stretch...until the emboldened red line. That part does make sense, almost too much sense. Even if Mab isn't Bob's
'parent', her knowing that Harry had access to Bob would make that order suddenly make sense.
It isn't proof, of course. There are other possible sources for the secret (apparently one of the early Council Merlins knew it, for ex), but it is an intriguing thought.
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And how Bob more-or-less LIVED in Harry's lab... right across the Nevernever gate from the murdergarden of Mab's Handmaiden.
Mab could clearly have destroyed Bob any time she wanted to.
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We don't know for sure that Mab knew Harry had Bob, of course. The only protection Bob actually ever had was secrecy, once Mab knew where he was she could come get him, unless he was protected by a power far greater than Harry. Bob could be safe inside Mab's throne hall, if she didn't know he was there.
--- Quote ---Bob's "fear" of Mab is pointless; the question becomes: is Bob fooled about his danger? Or is Bob fooling Harry?
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Assuming your WAG is right, there's another possibility: Bob started out as Mab's agent on Earth...and she lost control of him at some point (possibly Kemmler-related). This could be the case whether he knows she created him or not. So she might really be chasing him now even if she wasn't in the past.
Your WAG could be true...but for some reason I hope it isn't. I don't know why, there's just something about it that doesn't appeal to me. But it could be true.
vincentric:
Leah knew that Harry had Bob and Mab probably found out about it when she had to take over Leah's godmother duties while Leah was on ice.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Bob's "fear" of Mab is pointless; the question becomes: is Bob fooled about his danger? Or is Bob fooling Harry?
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Another WAG, at one point Bob seduced Mab...
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