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Mira:

--- Quote ---As Harry has noted, an incautiously-phrased "protect me" bargain with the fae can mean being stuffed into a faerie prison  (and ironically:  Harry himself then "protected" his own brother by stuffing him (with accute torture) into Occult SuperMax prison... Jim has a twisted sense of humor).  Mab made sure none of the "interested parties" could find Harry.  I WAG that it was Harry being born -- separated from his mother -- that allowed Raith's curse to target & kill her.

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That sounds way harsher than it should, in my opinion.  I think it was the best of some bad alternatives given the crime that Thomas committed.  Thomas was dying, short of finding a willing victim to feed him, putting him in the prison halted that.  It also may have placated the Stavaelves somewhat if events hadn't blown up due to other events.  Thomas wasn't going to survive where he was until his case could fully be investigated and a plea made, this gave him a chance, small, but a chance.. No, Harry didn't coldly "stuff" Thomas in prison where he is forced to relive his crimes, it was about all Harry could do for him, and as Warden of Demonreach,  was able to do. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2024, 07:40:35 PM ---That sounds way harsher than it should, in my opinion ...
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It's harsh, yes.  But simply factual.

It's also quite ironic that Harry jailed his brother to keep him safe... after specifically taking great care not to let the fae do exactly that to him!


--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2024, 07:40:35 PM --- ... I think it was the best of some bad alternatives ... this gave him a chance, small, but a chance ...
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This is also correct, IMHO.
Harry did do something "harsh" with Thomas... but not nearly as harsh as letting him get killed!


--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2024, 07:40:35 PM --- ... No, Harry didn't coldly "stuff" Thomas in prison ...
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Oh, I never said it was "cold" (in the sense of unfeeling).

But he did it... he did it unhesitatingly, despite knowing he was about to subject his own brother to intense torment.  You can call that "cold," from a certain point of view... but if it was "cold" it was only that way by suppressing his anger and pain; to "coldly" do what needed doing, despite the costs.
 

Mira:

--- Quote ---It's harsh, yes.  But simply factual.

It's also quite ironic that Harry jailed his brother to keep him safe... after specifically taking great care not to let the fae do exactly that to him!

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So what alternatives did Harry have here?  Thomas was dying from the beating he had received.  Most likely he would have either died in prison or be executed.  This kept him alive, not in great shape maybe, but alive.  Doesn't matter what Harry let or didn't let the fae do to him, he managed to avoid it.. Maybe Thomas should have thought things through a bit more before hand? But he didn't.


--- Quote ---Oh, I never said it was "cold" (in the sense of unfeeling).

But he did it... he did it unhesitatingly, despite knowing he was about to subject his own brother to intense torment.  You can call that "cold," from a certain point of view... but if it was "cold" it was only that way by suppressing his anger and pain; to "coldly" do what needed doing, despite the costs.
 
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When you use verbs like "stuffed" the implication is there that it was coldly or unfeelingly done.. Words matter.  No, considering the alternatives Harry didn't hesitate.  And yes, subjecting Thomas to torment, but undeserved torment?  Thomas has murdered many to satisfy his hunger demon, there is a price to be paid for that.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 21, 2024, 05:49:03 PM ---
When you use verbs like "stuffed" the implication is there that it was coldly or unfeelingly done.. Words matter ...
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Words also have regional variation.

Where I live, "stuffed" carries more the implication of something done hastily.
That haste may even imply that you feel very strongly... but that isn't inherent, it comes from the context of use.

Mira:

--- Quote from: g33k on August 22, 2024, 03:16:40 AM ---Words also have regional variation.

Where I live, "stuffed" carries more the implication of something done hastily.
That haste may even imply that you feel very strongly... but that isn't inherent, it comes from the context of use.

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 Now it really doesn't apply, because yes, it was done quickly, but not thoughtlessly.

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