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Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 03, 2024, 10:00:06 PM ---Politics -- and fear of being murdered by Rampires -- make strange bedfellows.
They needed him.
And maybe there were people arguing "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer!" and suggesting the White Council would do better to bring Harry into the wardens, where many other wardens would be routinely interacting with him... all the better to spot warlock-ism's, eh?
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I'm sure Luccio used just that argument with Harry's enemies on the Council. There's precedent, too. The Council tends to make people with warlock-ish talents into Wardens so they can watch each other.
IIRC, JB said once that one of the reasons Chandler was a Warden was precisely that he had a knack for time magic. As a Warden he can use that knack to police the magical world, and at the same time the other Wardens are around him all the time so if he starts to misuse it, he can be detected and dealt with. JB also pointed out that Molly might well end up as a Warden because of her mind magic talent.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 04, 2024, 05:34:42 AM ---I'm sure Luccio used just that argument with Harry's enemies on the Council. There's precedent, too. The Council tends to make people with warlock-ish talents into Wardens so they can watch each other.
IIRC, JB said once that one of the reasons Chandler was a Warden was precisely that he had a knack for time magic. As a Warden he can use that knack to police the magical world, and at the same time the other Wardens are around him all the time so if he starts to misuse it, he can be detected and dealt with. JB also pointed out that Molly might well end up as a Warden because of her mind magic talent.
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That was one of the possibilities that Harry saw in his soul gaze of her, he also saw her as an inhuman monster, and a vanilla human mother..
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 04, 2024, 05:34:42 AM ---I'm sure Luccio used just that argument with Harry's enemies on the Council. There's precedent, too. The Council tends to make people with warlock-ish talents into Wardens so they can watch each other.
IIRC, JB said once that one of the reasons Chandler was a Warden was precisely that he had a knack for time magic. As a Warden he can use that knack to police the magical world, and at the same time the other Wardens are around him all the time so if he starts to misuse it, he can be detected and dealt with. JB also pointed out that Molly might well end up as a Warden because of her mind magic talent.
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Making people with warlock tendencies warden actually makes sense in a way.
1) it reminds what would happen to them if they went warlock ie caught and beheaded 2) it shows them the harm abusing their powers would cause. They mostly end up hating warlocks and everything about warlock ensuring they dont become warlocks.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on July 05, 2024, 10:28:56 AM ---Making people with warlock tendencies warden actually makes sense in a way.
1) it reminds what would happen to them if they went warlock ie caught and beheaded 2) it shows them the harm abusing their powers would cause. They mostly end up hating warlocks and everything about warlock ensuring they dont become warlocks.
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Or they can do an enormous amount of damage because of their position of power. Think of a would be warlock warden as a bad cop, and the damage a bad cop does in a community. The result is a lot of innocents hurt or dead, and major scandal for the White Council.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on July 05, 2024, 10:28:56 AM ---Making people with warlock tendencies warden actually makes sense in a way.
1) it reminds what would happen to them if they went warlock ie caught and beheaded 2) it shows them the harm abusing their powers would cause. They mostly end up hating warlocks and everything about warlock ensuring they dont become warlocks.
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That's only a good idea if they are going to be in constant contact with other wardens. In practice, the North American wardens have months to years where they rarely see one another. They have plenty of time to train in methods to avoid detection and recruit followers. Harry sees more major magical action than any other warden besides Morgan and they still think he had the free time to build his plot for world domination.
And yes, I can see that plot:
Get raised as a warlock by Justin, rebel and kill him in "self-defense".
Bob, otherwise known as the Word of Kemmler.
Take advantage of your grandfather's mercy and get trained further. Earn the trust of several Senior Council members.
Work with local law enforcement and organized crime to build contacts.
Form an alliance with the White Court and later the Winter Court.
Help overthrow the power structure of the White Court while forging "relations" with the new leaders.
Stop the heirs of Kemmler. You're not ready to advance your plans and it'll build more favor with the Senior Council.
Go to war with the Red Court with the support of the Council, Winter and the White Court emerging victorious as the new Winter Knight.
Take down the Formor and openly marry the Queen of the White Court.
Out of context it all holds together but it leaves out some things that don't add up to evil incarnate rising:
Stopping the Denarians at multiple points while resisting their efforts to recruit you, including actual coin possession.
Having KotC show up to aid rather than oppose you on multiple occasions and being ally, mentor, houseguest, baby-sitter (Molly) and drinking buddy with each of the KotC that served since you've been a wizard.
Getting Soulfire from an Archangel.
Actually, telling the Council about most of these things openly with the exceptions of Bob, the Coin and Soulfire.
It's easier to just jump to a general conclusion and summary judgement than put in the work of investigating. Just approaching Michael and asking him to address some areas of concern would get most of this. Unless they think Harry has convinced a KotC to lie for him.
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