The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Infected by Nemesis. What do know about how and when. What we don't know.
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 31, 2023, 12:06:25 AM ---another aspect of the knife and Leah not to be forgotten, is she thought she could use it to take on "that which stalks us all" hindsight 20/20 obviously Nemesis itself. So she knew it was a vector to Nemesis, and thought between its power and the connection she could take Nemesis through it I think. It backfired, she didn't expect the knife to open her up in return as much as it did.
An I'd guess it's such a good vector(though itself not Nfected in the direct sense), because as her atheme, it has not only worked black magic but worked Morganna's magic, and tasted her blood during ritual too.
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I really doubt that, in my opinion Lea wanted more power and thought it would aid her in her power struggle with Mab. Lea lost and gave way and gave up the knife to Mab, neither realized until it became apparent that it was infected that it was.
--- Quote ---I don't think that's implied, at all. "It was the knife" is simply a statement of how Nemfection entered the Winter Court.
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So? Yes, it is implied, since we know the knife was infested, until Maeve turned up with it the only two who were infested also had contact with the knife.. So until we get further information, which we do not have, it is a hypothesis. Yes, Nemesis entered the Winter Court through the knife, but how did the infestation jump from it to Lea, Mab, Maeve, and Cat Sith? Was it actual physical contact with the knife that got Lea and Mab infested? Or once in the Court, Nemesis jumped off the knife like a flea off a dog's back to infest everyone who was vulnerable to it's whispers?
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 31, 2023, 12:06:25 AM --- another aspect of the knife and Leah not to be forgotten, is she thought she could use it to take on "that which stalks us all" hindsight 20/20 obviously Nemesis itself...
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It isn't, to me, obvious that "that which stalks us all" = Nemesis.
It's one reasonably-likely hypothesis, but not uniquely-likely.
Maybe the "us all" isn't "everyone" but "faeries" and what's "stalking" them all is the ever-tightening strictures of doing what they must do, being who they must be: beings like Winter-Queen Mab, Winter-Lady Maeve, and the Leanansidhe... they have almost no freedom or free will, because they are so intensely who and what they are...
What even is the Leanansidhe's name? Does anyone know, or remember, or care anymore?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2023, 11:45:58 AM --- I really doubt that, in my opinion Lea wanted more power and thought it would aid her in her power struggle with Mab.
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That too; but The_Sibelis is correct: Lea stated outright (when she was bound by Faerie Law & unble to lie) that she sought to oppose "that which stalks us all." It doesn't have to be an either/or exclusive choice. She wanted a powerup vs. Mab, too (unless we can uncover some construction whereby Mab herself (or Winter, generally) is "that which stalks us all").
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 31, 2023, 02:58:12 PM ---That too; but The_Sibelis is correct: Lea stated outright (when she was bound by Faerie Law & unble to lie) that she sought to oppose "that which stalks us all." It doesn't have to be an either/or exclusive choice. She wanted a powerup vs. Mab, too (unless we can uncover some construction whereby Mab herself (or Winter, generally) is "that which stalks us all").
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If I remember correctly, and though I remember her saying that, I believe she said that after
Mab had confronted her about the knife and took it from her. Lea was humbled and we later have that scene where Mab had the knife in her belt. So apparently neither Mab nor Lea suspected the knife was infested, because if Mab suspected why would she put it in her belt?
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote --- really doubt that, in my opinion Lea wanted more power and thought it would aid her in her power struggle with Mab. Lea lost and gave way and gave up the knife to Mab, neither realized until it became apparent that it was infected that it was.
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is pretty much directly contradicted by the book.
--- Quote --- isn't, to me, obvious that "that which stalks us all" = Nemesis.
It's one reasonably-likely hypothesis, but not uniquely-likely.
Maybe the "us all" isn't "everyone" but "faeries" and what's "stalking" them all is the ever-tightening strictures of doing what they must do, being who they must be: beings like Winter-Queen Mab, Winter-Lady Maeve, and the Leanansidhe... they have almost no freedom or free will, because they are so intensely who and what they are...
What even is the Leanansidhe's name? Does anyone know, or remember, or care anymore?
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well it should be. It's immediately obvious to me you have it backwards tho. The Adversary is specifically called such by the fae(and indeed when talking about others "opposites" they have specifically referenced "their adversary" in the heaven n hell balance instead of An Adversary) just as the courts are tasked with protecting reality their adversary is tasked with breaking it, all of it. It is The End that nobody is safe from.
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