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Chekhov's Arthurian Athame
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 04, 2023, 04:58:04 AM ---
This version of Merlin cannot be the British Prisoner: if he were imprisoned in the Well, he couldn't appear in smoke and speak to questing Knights.
But there are a LOT of versions of Merlin (and of course Jim is free to tweak to fit his own plotline & characters); so this particular detail doesn't really demonstrate anything either direction.
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He didn't appear, his voice was heard and he said, "Ah sir!" he added, "you will never see me more, and that grieves me, but I cannot remedy it; I shall never speak to you, nor any other person,save only my mistress."
The British Prisoner hasn't spoken outside of the confides of the prison, except to his Warden and fellow prisoner Thomas. Though at this point it is unknown whether or not he has spoken to other Wardens or fellow prisoners. Merlin said he cannot speak outside of his prison until he is released by his mistress, who at that time you might say was also his jailer or Warden.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 04, 2023, 12:12:24 PM --- He didn't appear, his voice was heard and he said, "Ah sir!" he added, "you will never see me more, and that grieves me, but I cannot remedy it; I shall never speak to you, nor any other person,save only my mistress."
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Sorry, my bad for phrasing it wrong with "appear."
My point is: the prisoners of the Well cannot (as best we know) reach outside it at all.
By speaking to the questing Knight(s), this version of Merlin demonstrates that he isn't imprisoned in the Well, and cannot be the BP.
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But also: WTF?
"his voice was heard and he said"
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"I shall never speak to you, nor any other person,save only my mistress."
looks like he's explicitly contradicting himself)
Mira:
--- Quote ---My point is: the prisoners of the Well cannot (as best we know) reach outside it at all.
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True, but Merlin built the place didn't he? Also if the story is to be believed it was a one time deal.. The prisoners can communicate with in the prison though.. Or at least to the Warden, as Harry found out to his great distress.
--- Quote ---"I shall never speak to you, nor any other person,save only my mistress."
looks like he's explicitly contradicting himself)
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Shug of shoulders... I can't help that, I only wrote down the quote.. ::)
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 02, 2023, 11:30:10 PM ---So: Morgana's Athame.
Morgana being one of the very-powerful sorceresses, possibly Faerie or Changeling, associated with Merlin... and with Arthur.
In some versions, Arthur's half-sister.
Interestingly-enough, one of Morgana's sisters was named "Elaine," with all sorts of interesting implications if Elaine Mallory was named "in honor of" that ancient Elaine by her birth-parents (about whom, please note, we have very-little information!).
Indeed: despite the vast powers shown by OG Merlin; and the likely "Amoracchius = Excalibur" theory (do we have WoJ confirming it?); and having her Athame show up so we have traces of Morgana; and the possible "British Prisoner = Arthur" theory ...
... despite all of that, I say: we have remarkably little sense of how the larger Arthuriana corpus (and which version(s) of it) map into (and/or otherwise influence/inform) the Dresdenverse.
Or have I overlooked a bunch of stuff?
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some stuff perhaps. Didn't you ask about the Hendricks/Lancelot theory..?
Best guess based on the theories behind it, is the prisoner is Merlin from a different cycle, but not the original OG cycle to be sure. Comparative to our Harry being Merlinian like.. that cycles probably realized his corruption and set himself in stasis.
The original cycle(or will it be the Last cycle.. 🤔) he probably did as Majorly theorized and threw himself into making DR.
*Pay no heed to ironic posters telling you to restrict what you look at. Some of the greatest theories, like G's theory on Merlins presumed grace, Ms Duck pancake reality or seracks grand unification theory all draw heavily on outside pools of knowledge. The irony is being told you shouldn't do something by someone who will do said thing when it suits them. That's just some particularly special thinking. Not to be confused with the special Ed thinking us autistic people do cause we're dumb and deserved to be put down for it apparently. Just the regularly unexcused arrogant-ignorant combo.
Jim's well known for being a "zeitgeist" writer at this point after all.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Arthurian legend is pretty much pick and mix for Jim, we should be restricting ourselves to in universe information.
Merlin existed creating the White Council in its current form and built Demonreach.
Mab was romantically involved with Merlin, she was the Winter Lady in 1066 and Merlin was most active in 400 AD (but a time traveller). Mab was a mortal most likely a practitioner who became the Winter Lady.
Titania is the twin of Mab and therefore also likely a practitioner. Between then they likely accounted for the different legends of Morgana, Nimue, Vivianne and the Lady of the lake. As twins they may both at different times have been in one or more of these role (Morgana’s dual nature accommodated by being at different times the Winter and Summer Lady). The Athame might therefore have been a device of both Winter and summer, which is why Mab referred to it as Morgana’s Athame and not hers, it was a prop for a character her and her sister played.when Harry finds out he will call it cosplaying.
Excalibur was Amorrachius during the Arthurian period. The Holy Grail exists and has been in Hades Vault most likely since its recovery in Arthurian times.
Nameless (who I posit to be Cowl) would have been around during the Arthurian period, as would Nicodemus and probably Polonius Lartessa and Quinn’s Cassius. All four would have motives to intervene in the recovery of the grail. Indeed this could be where Nameless/Cowl first started working with Tess. All or none of them may feature under different names in the legends.
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