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Chekhov's Arthurian Athame

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Yuillegan:
My current theory is the Mab is Morganna, and that part of the reason Lea took Morganna's Athame was not just the power that it held, but the insult to Mab personally it represented by her holding it.

Also, Merlin isn't BP. Jim confirmed Merlin wouldn't be speaking modern day English. Further more, Corb and Mab seem to confirm that Merlin is dead in Battle Ground (when Corb specifically says "If he were among the living"...seems to imply that Merlin is no longer alive.

Of course, we know there are many levels to existence...and even the space between "alive" and "dead" is considered grey and a spectrum by Mab, not a black line.

The_Sibelis:
From the way Corb talked I'd more suspect her to be Nimue? Morganna wasn't a mewling child in Arthur's day, Nimue tho.. an I don't think even Merlin would have authority to cast out the kings sister. I took it more under the context of dismissing your apprentice, and as the court mage casting her out of the court.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Also, Merlin isn't BP. Jim confirmed Merlin wouldn't be speaking modern day English. Further more, Corb and Mab seem to confirm that Merlin is dead in Battle Ground (when Corb specifically says "If he were among the living"...seems to imply that Merlin is no longer alive.
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Just for argument sake, a couple of points;

1] The prisoner has been in that cave for a very long time.. It is very possible that he learned modern English form the various Wardens. Though admittedly why he'd have a British accent is a mystery.
2] Corb might not know that Merlin is in the cave on the island, unless told, he wouldn't know. 

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 26, 2023, 02:47:28 PM ---From the way Corb talked I'd more suspect her to be Nimue? Morganna wasn't a mewling child in Arthur's day, Nimue tho.. an I don't think even Merlin would have authority to cast out the kings sister. I took it more under the context of dismissing your apprentice, and as the court mage casting her out of the court.

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I know traditionally Merlin had the romance with Nimue...but as a Fae, Nimue was old when Merlin (OG) was young. Unless Jim is rewriting Nimue to have been human originally at the time...

Now, a mortal witch who was a "mewling brat" around the time of William the Conqueror? That could well have been Morganna, depending on how Jim is incorporating Arthurian myth into history. There are indeed many stories of Morganna and Merlin being connected, both as master and apprentice, but in some cases lovers too.

As for Merlin casting out Morganna - he was Merlin. He built Demonreach, created the White Council, reformed the Vatican, rescued important knowledge from the Library of Alexandria when it fell, and jumped over tall buildings in a single bound. The guy did what he liked. Who could really stop him? If you read the stories, he essentially comes and goes as he pleases and tells Arthur (even as King) what to do all the time. He is an adviser, but he doesn't really see himself as a subject. And Arthur highly respected Merlin (as did all the Knights). If Merlin said Morganna was to be exiled, I think they would hurling her out the door before he finished his sentence. Not to mention, consider why Morganna was exiled? Likely dark magic - which is even hinted at much in the old tales, and I can't see Arthur giving his half-sister a pass for that. Arthur wasn't Michael Carpenter in nature - just read about how he takes Guinevere cheating on him. Guy could be pretty wrathful.


--- Quote from: Mira on October 26, 2023, 05:12:17 PM ---Just for argument sake, a couple of points;

1] The prisoner has been in that cave for a very long time.. It is very possible that he learned modern English form the various Wardens. Though admittedly why he'd have a British accent is a mystery.
2] Corb might not know that Merlin is in the cave on the island, unless told, he wouldn't know. 

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I get what you mean, but Jim was asked about the BP being Merlin - and the answer he gave was that it wasn't very likely given Merlin would still be speaking old Aenglish/Welsh. Whoever that being is on the island, I wouldn't necessarily consider him a good guy particularly given he was much further in than Naagloshii.

I mean, he might not. But given Mab's reaction to Corb's words...I'd say she thinks he is dead too. And I'd say it's less likely she wouldn't know that Merlin is on the Island, if that's were he was. Beyond that though, most of the supernatural community believe Merlin (OG) is dead. Hence the entire need for a replacement one on the White Council. Which isn't to say that he is dead (or completely gone beyond the veil), necessarily speaking.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---[I know traditionally Merlin had the romance with Nimue...but as a Fae, Nimue was old when Merlin (OG) was young. Unless Jim is rewriting Nimue to have been human originally at the time
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well, I see more pop culture aspects than traditional Arthurian in what Jim does. Young Merlin, the classical Merlin movie with Sam Neil, ect all have a young human sorceress as Nimue, so much so I don't think of her as the lady of the lake, that's a separate entity in my mind specifically because of the Arthurian stuff i grew up on.
Morganna's atheme was dangerous because of WHO'S it was, morganna. Who as you say probably did what in the DF is considered black magic. Doesn't seem likely to me that Merlin in a y capacity would simply expell her for breaking his laws. Now, comparison to Molly flexing the laws and Lea showing her the fae way to do so and it starts to add up a bit more. From someone who's set the laws and punishment I find expulsion to be an unlikely outcome for someone who violates his own personal decrees. Now a smart azz apprentice who figured out how to walk in the grey areas? Thats more likely.
My point about the atheme tho, is it was dangerous/a vector for Nemesis because of whose it was. Morganna did black magic with it, that made it dangerous. Mab doesn't do black magic and isn't inherently at a loss towards Nemesis by way of being Morganna if she were so. that would make the knifes vulnerability as a vector for Nemesis a potential plot hole many books old.

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