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WOJ search for Uriel/Odin deal for Murphy.
g33k:
--- Quote from: SerScot on December 11, 2023, 09:43:50 PM --- ... I don’t understand the hard and fast “rule” about the new Einherjar/Valkeries not being allowed to see their loved ones...
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As noted, Valkyries & Enherjaren are different.
No sign that Murphy is on the "Valk Track."
Einherjaren are generally not allowed reincarnation "within living memory." Dunno if this is a rule Odin imposes; or part of TWG's rules for Odin to have Soulfire; or what...
Hypothetically, however: I can envision all sorts of Bad Outcomes if people thought they had found a reliable means of reincarnation, a way to be with their Lost Love again, etc etc etc...
Mira:
--- Quote ---Einherjaren are generally not allowed reincarnation "within living memory." Dunno if this is a rule Odin imposes; or part of TWG's rules for Odin to have Soulfire; or what...
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Depends on who Gard was talking about when she said it was a rule;
page 366 Battle Ground
--- Quote ---Gard said, " Not until the memory of her has faded from the minds of those who knew her. That is a limit not even the Allfather may cross."
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Sounds like a cosmic rule to me, because Gard spoke of a limit not even Odin can cross. Not unlike I think Mab was talking about when at the end of Ghost Story she told Harry that death was a spectrum, that there was a point on the spectrum where one cannot return, but he hadn't reached that point yet. Harry was only mostly dead, he fell into Mab's arms before he reached that point.
Murphy however is all dead, she has passed that point on the spectrum.. She cannot be brought back as Enherjaren, till she has passed out of living memory.. I think so she isn't confused with Lazarus who had passed that spectrum but was brought back by Jesus, or Jesus Himself. I think Osiris also returned from being all dead as well and was the Egyptian god of resurrection.
So are cosmic rules broken to bring her back? Is she so important to everything that Odin would cross the line to bring her back? And if he does, what are the consequences to him as well as her?
The_Sibelis:
:o sooo I'ma make a nice lil theory based of this conversation (click to show/hide)Harry/Murphy get around the limitations in MM, using the cross dimensional method of MM Harry summoning dead Harry's combined with Odinmancy. Nobody in another dimension remembers OUR Murphy at all see... Cosmic rules, loophole.
g33k:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 13, 2023, 04:19:49 PM --- :o sooo I'ma make a nice lil theory based of this conversation (click to show/hide)Harry/Murphy get around the limitations in MM, using the cross dimensional method of MM Harry summoning dead Harry's combined with Odinmancy. Nobody in another dimension remembers OUR Murphy at all see... Cosmic rules, loophole.
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Nice loophole, but... Murphy ain't gonna be willing to leave her own people behind.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 14, 2023, 04:17:20 AM ---Nice loophole, but... Murphy ain't gonna be willing to leave her own people behind.
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what people? She's going with Dresden. Her whole crisis of faith revolved around Dresden and she came to believe in HIM. He ain't gonna call her and then just go home without her lol. There's a complicated set of circumstances I could see.. but that'd just be telling lol.
On Murphy's faith tho, she believes in fighting the good fight, period. Dresden just exists anywhere the most important battle is happening. She ain't going to stop fighting that fight, even compromising lesser values to work with people like Marcone to get the job done. Go to anywhere in Murphy's arc all the way back to the short story that started it all. She doesn't care if it's not her business, out of her league or outside her jurisdiction. She's there to throw hands and pass judgement on anyone she's perceived deserves it. Craptastic MM world with Evil Dresden running amok with necromancy and Blamp allies? Gonna tell me Dresden ain't gonna call her up and say,"hey, I can get you this corporeal form, can you help?" And 1 Dresden 2 Battle. Ain't no way she's gonna be sidelined on that offer.
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