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Mira:

--- Quote from: g33k on December 14, 2023, 04:17:20 AM ---Nice loophole, but... Murphy ain't gonna be willing to leave her own people behind.

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Not to mention, that Murphy doesn't belong in this dimension, so who knows what kind of consequences there would be if that happened.  Also she isn't the same Murphy in both dimensions, unless Jim uses the Spock loophole as per the original classic Trek story... However even if she had the same values as the other Murphy, while she may fight for justice in her dimension she cannot cross over to one she doesn't belong in.  So maybe a nice lovey dovey interlude for Harry, but he has to go back to his own dimension and leave her behind.  Doesn't do a thing for his grief nor his depression, and he needs to be sharp for the coming BAT.

The_Sibelis:
..... I always think you fail to grasp what I'm actually saying but choose to respond to what you THINK I said. But that Murphy coming here is... Acceptable.
However, your failing to combine the MM Harry method of cross dimensional summoning with basic revival. He'd be drawing her ghost across space and time(from the nether, the NN, an all the fun interconnected stuff) before reviving the original timeline Murphy in a timeline where literally nobody actually knows her besides him. And then they go home.
Murphy part of the once and future king trope, she's coming back(there's 3 I realize, same way the split always happens) that's not up for debate so much, Dresden breaks rules, that is not only known but directly connected by woj to this topic. 🤷‍♂️ Believe you-me, I DARE NOT say anything here unless I've already covered my ASP when I post it. It gets right asinine when I post a non connected theory and the first thing that happens is "no" "nice but actktually" followed by opinions on the theory. Like frfr, you can't stop it, I usually don't care, and that one in one million neurodivergent person who might actually hold the conversation I want to have is scared away by the insueing 💩 storms. Hence why the neurov left, specifically. It's not unknown here at all.
I'm going to insist on pointing out it's silliness every time.. I can post pics to a basic FB conversation devolving because of this direct thing
Yes, it was all very smart and good of you to defuse the other day Geek, because I am on the defensive sub routines. But do examine what keeps putting me there please and thank you. 👀

g33k:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 14, 2023, 09:13:35 AM ---what people? She's going with Dresden. Her whole crisis of faith revolved around Dresden and she came to believe in HIM. He ain't gonna call her and then just go home without her lol ...
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Her.
People.
The sprawling Murphy clan, who we saw at the picnic; fellow cops (specially those in SI); the many Mirrorverse people who are counting on her (which as a cop, is all of Mirror-Chicago).

Mirrorverse is a darker, more-dangerous place than DF-Prime is.  Murphy wouldn't be so selfish as to abandon those people to that darkness and danger.

Mirror-Murphy likely does NOT believe in Dresden; she's fighting the Good Fight, and Mirror-Dresden is evil... is one of the enemies she's fighting (I expect Jim to torment Harry with "it's his lost love Murphy... but she doesn't trust Harry Dresden as far as she could throw him" (as an aikidoka, she can throw him surprisingly far!))

Mirror!Harry began diverging from our Harry as of Grave Peril, IIRC; that's book 3, and Murphy hadn't really begun to trust Harry yet (which book was it where she broke his tooth?).

By the time of Mirror Mirror, that Harry is a serial-killer of alt-Harry's, and one of Harry's firm allies is... Mavra (da'fuq??!?).  This is not someone who has Murphy's trust, admiration, affection, or loyalty.

The_Sibelis:
Heh, heh, ha, ha hhhhhaaaaa? She abandons "her people" every time she chooses to risk her life, when she chooses to be a cop in spite of her families desire. Every battle, every fight... Was she at the Murphy homestead, or even her own during the battle of Chicago? No. She was with dresden fighting the good fight where she saw it needed fighting. You say she wouldn't abandon "her people", I say she does so actively with every choice she makes in the series. She outgrew her family before we even saw, and actively outgrew her position at S.I, then legal enforcement(she's been a vigilant for how long now?), her morals to work with Marcone, ect. Only thing she hasn't given up on was Dresden, even when he died 👀 and her will to fight.
And I'm not really sure why MM Murphy matters to my original theory but..
Ahhh, but if you paid attention to the divergence, then you noticed original Murphy path without Dresden was not good. she was filled with erranous judgements and preconceived attitudes that didn't balance out. MM her without Dresdens positive influence...(he brought her into the loop for SK)Isn't going to be entirely good per say even if she's fighting against evil. I expect her to end up a corpse by the end of the book quite frankly with all the implications that implies.

g33k:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 17, 2023, 02:23:33 AM ---Heh, heh, ha, ha hhhhhaaaaa? She abandons "her people" every time she chooses to risk her life, when she chooses to be a cop in spite of her families desire...
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No; going out into the world to "fight the good fight" is NOT abandoning her people.  We have to do things contrary to the desires of our loved ones on a daily basis, "for their own good."  Parents go earn a living -- sometimes 2-3 jobs -- despite how little they see their kids, keeping food on the table and trying to set the kids up for a better life than the parents had.

(and for what it's worth -- for all it's a rhetorical affectation, the whole "laughing at" posture is more than a little offensive, and I'd appreciate you dialing that back a bit)



--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on December 17, 2023, 02:23:33 AM --- ... I expect her to end up a corpse by the end of the book quite frankly with all the implications that implies.
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That seems entirely possible.
Jim's livelihood depends on him tormenting Harry, after all.

OTOH, I think he got more fan-hate for killing Murphy than for anything else he wrote.  So "bringing her back" as fanservice might be a choice he makes, to avoid a "salt in the wounds" effect on his fandom.

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