The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Book of Kremmler
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 17, 2023, 03:34:10 PM ---Actually, it proves that the banner did not impinge on free will at all. Harry's Banner gathered 1187 followers. Even with all the fighting and chaos, do you think that's all the people that were present in that part of Chicago? If his Banner had compelled people to fight, there would have been children among his ranks and he wouldn't have had to give any pep talks. People were inspired to fight but they weren't compelled .
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Then why, if I remember correctly Harry mentions the effects of the Banner wearing off? Mab was also involved in it's creation.. Now it could be it was allowed because Ethinu messed with their minds with fear, but both are messing with people's minds.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The banner is part of the Winter Knights power set but most are not powerful enough to raise it.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 18, 2023, 01:59:44 PM ---The banner is part of the Winter Knights power set but most are not powerful enough to raise it.
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Thank you for making my point. It is part of the Winter Knight's power, Harry was powerful enough to use it.. So people who normally would chose not to fight, were compelled to, even if it was a matter of false hope, that is mind control.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2023, 06:22:18 PM ---... even if it was a matter of false hope, that is mind control.
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Except it was not "false hope."
Harry beat Ethniu, and most of his bannermen survived; their hope was fulfilled.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2023, 06:22:18 PM --- ... people who normally would chose not to fight, were compelled to ...
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Still not seeing any evidence they were "compelled"
We simply don't know what the banner *did* in any detailed way.
Simply being shelter (from crippling fear) might have been the whole of it.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 18, 2023, 06:22:18 PM ---Thank you for making my point. It is part of the Winter Knight's power, Harry was powerful enough to use it.. So people who normally would chose not to fight, were compelled to, even if it was a matter of false hope, that is mind control.
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The Winter Fae were compelled, the normal humans were inspired. The Banner's call was a good speech and rallying point, but the people had a choice.
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