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Goodman Grey, nemfected?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 05, 2023, 05:39:25 PM ---Ivy is a teenager at this point, so of course she was eavesdropping on her ‘parent’. Occam’s razor.
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Even so, it doesn't explain why she didn't insist that he didn't shoot Harry at all.
RobReece:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 05, 2023, 06:09:33 PM ---Even so, it doesn't explain why she didn't insist that he didn't shoot Harry at all.
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The only way I see it, is that she was aware of what Uriel had intended... but I'm not sure if I buy that or not...
vincentric:
I think it was more about hope than anything else. Harry was her only friend, but she had to respect the possibility that he was correct in ordering his execution. Kincaid was the only parent she's known, but she accepts that he is a professional who's already accepted the job and payment. It would ruin him professionally to cancel after that.
By not stopping Kincaid completely, Ivy respected Harry's wishes and Kincaid's professionalism but by making it a chest shot she preserved the chance for an intervention and save.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Ivy knew all the statistical and medical data ever recorded about gunshot wounds, she knew Harry’s chance of survival increased with a heart shot rather than a head shot.
She also would have known that Uriel with his universal Intellectus knew it as soon as the decision was taken by Kincaid it would be a heart shot and not a head shot. She knew Kincaid would not abandon a contract from his past recorded history. She would also have known of Harry’s involvement with Uriel from information recorded somewhere, most likely from Monoc’s records which we are shown are computerised from Harry’s visit to HQ. We also know Kringle and Uriel lunch each year (I am betting on 6 December the feast day of the Saint Nicholas, and it was put in deliberately to cover this point) so it was likely discussed then (Kringle also has soul fire making it a topic of discussion) and later notarised by Kringle, coming to Ivy’s attention.
Uriel contacts Mab about the suicide attempt the limit to what he can do AND MAB ALLOWS THE SHOT TO OCCUR knowing that she, Demonreach and Uriel can save Harry, but teaching him the lessons he is going to need from Ghost Story and his recuperation in Cold Days.
Mab must have realised Harry would try this ploy at some point as he did the same to Lea. He therefore needed to work through it and Ivy gave him the option. Uriel then alerts Mab the hit is going to occur imminently on Thomas Boat, which happens to be within Demoreaches sphere of influence. She is therefore in the right place to save Harry.
It’s all rather simple really, we have been given all the necessary information.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 05, 2023, 11:56:06 PM ---I think it was more about hope than anything else. Harry was her only friend, but she had to respect the possibility that he was correct in ordering his execution. Kincaid was the only parent she's known, but she accepts that he is a professional who's already accepted the job and payment. It would ruin him professionally to cancel after that.
By not stopping Kincaid completely, Ivy respected Harry's wishes and Kincaid's professionalism but by making it a chest shot she preserved the chance for an intervention and save.
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I think part of the problem is there is the Archive, and then there is Ivy. Ivy is the very human vessel for the Archive, still a young teenager with the emotional needs of a teenager. Problem, because of her mother's suicide when she was a baby, she was never allowed to have that side of her develop properly, both Harry and oddly Kincaid tried to fill that void. Luccio warned Harry that messing with the human child, Ivy would have serious consequences for the Archive. My theory is the Archive unemotionally agreed with Uriel's plan understanding Harry's importance in the bigger picture. Ivy, reacted in a fairly normal human way, she was upset in the extreme with both her human mentors, it was out of her hands as far as what was to happen, though she did get Kincaid to agree to the heart verses the head shot. Then she made a decision in her hurt, she divorced herself from human emotion, and the two guys that treated her like an ordinary young girl, and became the Archive for real. It could have been worse, she could have gone "postal" as Luccio had warned, killed Kincaid and Harry leading to who knows what.. But she didn't, I think Ivy still loves both men as father figures with no desire to physically hurt either, though emotionally she was hurt. She had just enough emotional maturity to punish both men, no more contact as before, and retreated into her Archive persona.. I further think Luccio was wrong and Harry and Kincaid were right, to be a balanced Archive, Ivy needed to experience their affection and to give them affection in return, it is the human element.
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