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Bob & the Nevernever: Did Jim make another error, or drop a clue?

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Conspiracy Theorist:
He has grown, in Storm Front he was a child, but his story arc has seen him grow as an individual, he has found love and when we last see him his is developing empathy, and dealing with more adult concepts. His arc isn’t finished. Lacuna was always more mature and a better reader, she would look at the Apple logo and immediately be wary. Someone had taken the bite of an apple and had not brushed their teeth. Obviously not to be trusted.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 05, 2023, 12:31:09 PM ---He has grown, in Storm Front he was a child, but his story arc has seen him grow as an individual, he has found love and when we last see him his is developing empathy, and dealing with more adult concepts. His arc isn’t finished. Lacuna was always more mature and a better reader, she would look at the Apple logo and immediately be wary. Someone had taken the bite of an apple and had not brushed their teeth. Obviously not to be trusted.

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Not a child, he has grown in knowledge and power and physically grown along with it.  A child physically grows whether or not he gains in knowledge or power, had Toot not decided to work with Harry he would have remained the size he was when we first meet him.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Avernite on August 25, 2023, 05:40:20 PM --- Perhaps the skull protects AND limits Bob? Perhaps it makes it impossible for him to go into body mode.
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This seems possible:  maybe Etienne enchanted the skull with an intrinsic "order" that Bob is never to summon ectoplasmic sunscreen, nor to ever communicate this to anyone.

So everytime Bob comes out of his skull, there's a "Rule 0" that applies, in addition to whatever orders & constraints the current skull-owner applies to the current mission.

Conspiracy Theorist:
The skull almost certainly sets limits on Bob in the skull, it outside? Whoever holds the skull controls Bob, but outside? Harry is always clear I giving Bob commands when allowed to leave the skull (Bob try’s to subvert them if unclearly phrased such as to investigate girls dorms etc.). But outside of the skull the control overBob definitely weakens, Bob was able to both break free of Cowl’s control outside of his skull and control the Ectoplasmic body of Sue in Dead best. Cowl although familiar with Bob and the skull, he clearly wasn’t fully aware of Bob’s boundaries.

The only issue is Bob summoning ectoplasm from the Never Never.either he can’t in the skull, or summoning would allow him to be tracked. Bob wanted a backup Sanctum from Harry, the obvious conclusion is that it gives him additional freedom. He is still bitching about it in The Law despite having the run of the Castle and internet access.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 08, 2023, 03:23:29 AM --- Whoever holds the skull controls Bob, but outside? Harry is always clear I giving Bob commands when allowed to leave the skull (Bob try’s to subvert them if unclearly phrased such as to investigate girls dorms etc.)
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It's pretty clear that the skull-owner's "upon-leaving-skull" instructions are entirely binding:  almost dead, Harry managed to say that the conversation (with Evil Bob) was over, and that pre-defined end-state immediately forced EB back into the skull.

I agree that we haven't seen anything about what limits the skull itself might place upon Bob.

But -- hypothetically -- a fundamental set of orders to "seek or accept no other refuge from the Dawn" and "always return to the skull" would seem like some basic controls to have in place, alongside the basic "abide by the orders and restrictions placed by the owner of the skull, each time you're allowed out" framework.

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