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In Retrospect The Relevance Of Storm Front and Full Moon

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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---The WOJ I remember is that a Mab is individually powerful enough to contact another Mab, but there is no shared intellectus
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something an intellectus yes. Though since you remember the woj so well perhaps you can produce it?
Ahem, might also examine your understanding of the word intellectus. To percieve. She's perceiving her other selfs.
DR is not the end all be all of what an intellectus is. It even says, The island has a form of intellectus. Mab has another form.

Mira:

--- Quote from: vincentric on July 30, 2023, 11:00:47 PM ---Uhh, your logic kinda fails here.

If Mab is excluded because she isn't in the 1st 2 books, then Nameless who isn't in any of the novels, can't have a major role such as Cowl.

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Agreed.

Conspiracy Theorist:
The Mothers have general intellectual, as does Uriel, this includes events occurring in other universes. The Queen’s do not. The Archive has an Intellectus of all recorded human knowledge and Harry has two limited intellectus, of the people in his Banner while at war and of Demonreach when on Demonreach. There has been no indication whether Mab has an Intellectus and if so as to what extent, but clearly events in the books indicate she has major holes in her knowledge she has to hire Harry for some things, she admits to a hole in Small Favour, she has suspicions as to the attack on Arctis Tor which she wouldn’t with an Intellectus Covers my even just Winter. If she has an Intellectus built into her Mantle it is likely a scaled up version of Harry’s she has knowledge of her forces deployed at the Gate and during Battle Ground was monitoring two Battles not one, and instructing Lea through it. She doesn’t know Harry from a hole in the ground.

This is why it isn’t Mab behind the scenes in Harry’s life, he only becomes relevant to the defence of everything AFTER Grave Peril. After Grave Peril, she is front and centre, and I suspect Uriel (who is watching all the Harry’s) tipped this Mab off her vassal had a hold she could exploit on Harry because this Harry had made a decision leading to a possible endgame. 

The proof will be Mirror Mirror, if Mab has been behind Harry then it will be apparent in how MM Mab deals with our Harry. In both universes Lea should have been nemfected, but if only our Harry went on to become Winter Knight, the Mab had nothing to do with Harry’s early life.

Mab doesn’t appear in the first two books, but the argument is that Cowl/Nameless is acting behind the scenes in both.

vincentric:
That's your argument for Cowl to be Nameless but you use the counter argument for Mab not being involved in Harry's early life.

Nameless is an interesting character but Mab and Marcone/Namshiel are better than the Jedi Council at noticing things right under their noses.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---There has been no indication whether Mab has an Intellectus and if so as to what extent,
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actually(and just gonna post the whole bit, special thanks to tcf)

--- Quote ---We're gonna get some answers in the next book we'll get some more answers in the one after that although fewer. I mean Mirror Mirror is basically we're gonna jump over into the next universe and see how things are going. And we'll sort of be able to see-that universe will be a few years ahead of where Harry's universe is now so you'll sort of be able to see the direction things are going and that should be a lot of fun. Things got worse faster in the mirror universe that we're going to-there's actually an entire spectrum of parallel realities that are existing in the Dresden Files universe and this is just going to be the nearest parallel reality that you can get to that's significantly different. Because there's always a cloud of parallel realities that are almost exactly the same but not quite.

Yeah it's kind of like, I don't know if you've ever seen Stargate or those other sci-fi shows where one new choice basically means one new reality. Wherever there's a fork they split in a row and there's a new reality.

Yeah which is interesting because if you look at that from you know, Uriel's point of view then suddenly the battle of good and evil is all about choices because every choice starts creating more and more different realities, more and more universes eternally branching universes and are they going to be places where good things happen or places where bad things happen? That's kind of an epic struggle if looked at that way.

That's actually interesting because we've talked about that on the podcast several times. I think we all agreed on that even if there's a lot of realities there's one Uriel above all realities, is that how you see it?

Sort of. Yeah I mean Uriel's an archangel so he's like-he's kinda omnipresent in the universe in many ways. He's one of God's deputies he kind of has enormous amounts of power, all the archangels do. But yeah that would be the case, is that when you get to the really high levels of power, beings like Uriel are the same everywhere they go. So poor Uriel has to deal with millions and millions of Harry Dresdens because they're always causing problems and they're always making choices and they're always creating new branches for the universe so poor Uriel just has to deal with so many copies of this guy.

There are actually multiple Uriels but they're all kind of copies of the same guy.

No, no. There's one Uriel and he's everywhere. He just exists through all of the bits of time, but for example if you go to an alternate reality there would be a parallel Mab and the two Mabs would be parallel and they probably would be able to like know about each other and talk to each other if they wanted to but they're just really fucking busy they've got a lot to do. But Mab next door would be like "you work for me next door? Well now you work for me, while you're here you work for me".

Why not take advantage?

Yeah exactly, I mean it's Mab, what other way could she react you know. But she's-Mab is tremendously powerful but she's not powerful on a scale like Uriel is where he's in the parallel realities next door and spreading out and so on.

How do the Mothers compare to Uriel? Are they in all realities or are they in parallel?

They're much closer to Uriel because-well I don't want to talk about that yet I'll put it in the books. But the Mothers are much closer to being Uriel they're essentially nigh-unto being gods on the level with you know like Zeus or the Native American gods or the Hindu gods or something like that, they're kind of on that same scale.

So all the big things that stayed immortal and godly and powerful and have to-

And kind of had to take a step back from all the mortal affairs that were going on as a result. Most of the gods did that they were just sort of "okay we're gonna take a step back, we're not really gonna be involved, we're gonna become professional wrestlers" you know that sort of thing.
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mab is aware of and communicate with her other selves. So a limited intellectus. And I think I can perhaps see why, it's her connection to the gates. The gates WOULD have its own intellectus just like the island(thinking of woj about how the gates just ARE as far as it's intellegence), and I think would exist on the same sort of scale as angels? Not certain, but neither has Harry ever just tried to know something from a different version of DR, so that is not implicit for the gates to be(is universal the right word?)
Though actually... Comparing the above woj with Morgans in book explanation of intellectus and his limits on an explanation being only relevant to knowing one reality. Perhaps angels are closer to omniscient? You'd have to get the breakdown from an angelic perspective I suppose, if they are just "aware" of things or have such a big conscious mind it can "know" multiple lines of thought on each reality all at once.

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