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Would a magic circle protect against mental wammys?

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Conspiracy Theorist:
There is one Uriel in the Multiverse - he exists simultaneously in every universe. A circle exists in one universe. You would have to replicate the circle in every universe for it to work. Cute indeed.

The Phages summoning was different, there was already a weak spot to their lair in the NeverNever via Pell’s Theatre and I suspect Cowl had a hand in creating that, it made a nice direct route from Chicago to Arctis Tor for weaker magic users to exploit for the attack on Arctis Tor and to get to Demonreach via the Gatekeepers access in Arctis Tor. It made a nice back door for Nameless to get back to his practice in Chicago, at least until Mab closed it off to him.

It was more akin to what Simon did in Zoo Day, which come to think of it was also likely orchestrated by Cowl, he probably keep MyShadow/Ash on a short leash.

The_Sibelis:
Na man, if you're gonna ignore direct questions don't try to engage later. That's bad form. Let me show you..

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 17, 2023, 07:57:08 AM ---There is one Uriel in the Multiverse - he exists simultaneously in every universe. A circle exists in one universe. You would have to replicate the circle in every universe for it to work. Cute indeed.

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Harry ALSO contained lashes coin in a circle, successfully I might add. The totality of what they are is stuck in those coins. Are you arguing fallen are not multiversal but angels are? I don't think it'd make a difference, if he actually contained him, his totality would be stuck. The proof is in his transubstantiation. What happens in one reality effects him in all reality, effectively Uriel only existed as Michael and his human form in the entire multiverse at that time.

--- Quote ---The Phages summoning was different, there was already a weak spot to their lair in the NeverNever via Pell’s Theatre
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yes and while they used that weakening to cross over originally with Molly they didn't need to cross there, and didn't in fact. It's almost like the comparison between the weakened veil and those damaged by drugs or mental illness being more susceptible to possession?(and while I'm on the subject that's another parallel to the idea TWG is the 'center' of reality, and it's boundaries are where his embodiment ends)

--- Quote ---and I suspect Cowl had a hand in creating that, it made a nice direct route from Chicago to Arctis Tor for weaker magic users to exploit for the attack on Arctis Tor and to get to Demonreach via the Gatekeepers access in Arctis Tor. It made a nice back door for Nameless to get back to his practice in Chicago, at least until Mab closed it off to him.
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so nameless, as cowl helped orchestrate an attack on AT and not only did Mab never twig to it, but never sought out the Truth for her own balancing act? Impossible. If she can watch Chicago like she does then no doubt she's aware of exactly what happens in her own domain. And that alone puts an end to nameless being cowl really.


--- Quote ---It was more akin to what Simon did in Zoo Day, which come to think of it was also likely orchestrated by Cowl, he probably keep MyShadow/Ash on a short leash.

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Simon's dead. Unless he's ALSO cowl for you? Would seem to be very conflicting theories though.

Conspiracy Theorist:
We’re talking angels and Archangels, no evidence the latter exist as a single entity across the multiverse WOJ to the latter.

When Uriel trsnsubstantiate he did so in one oniverse, his grace was still multi-universal.

Pell’s was next door to the Splattercon Hotel, the Eldest masquerading as the Scarecrow didn’t need the proximity to the weak point.

Read The Law it is expressly stated that Nameless was barred from Winter following the attack. Nameless won’t have left enough evidence for Mab in her aspect of Justice to try him but her suspicions are enough to do this. She gets evidence it’s open season on Nameless, frankly I am surprised she didn’t put Harry on it.

I mean’t Austin in Zoo day, which you obviously realised. I have told you before about trying to twist my words. This is why people do not like answering your questions directly because you troll them. Which is why I have reported you to the moderators.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 17, 2023, 12:54:48 PM ---We’re talking angels and Archangels, no evidence the latter exist as a single entity across the multiverse WOJ to the latter.
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not is there evidence they are not. In fact, said woj doesn't differentiate that I remember. So your taking a broadly known fact about angels, even if it's just archangels specifically talked about, and deciding off rip the inverse must apply to regular angels. There's really no logic in that other than it's your opinion then?


--- Quote ---When Uriel trsnsubstantiate he did so in one oniverse, his grace was still multi-universal.
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yes, and it existed precisely as big as wide as the existence of one mortal on one planet. Uriel's consciousness, introduced to a body, isn't interchangeable. It isn't replaceable by lue of him being multiversal. That's a core part of Uriel. His grace might be multiversal, but only one person in the whole multiverse, in one reality, was wearing it. Hence what he did with it actually mattered. If other Uriel's were still wearing it in other universes they'd have all been connected to Michael and Michael couldn't have made his collective self fall, which was expected what he COULD do.


--- Quote ---Pell’s was next door to the Splattercon Hotel, the Eldest masquerading as the Scarecrow didn’t need the proximity to the weak point.
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the eldest is stronger? Go figure. But unless you wanna go through and try to prove he wasn't piggybacking off of Molly, I don't see how this actually disagrees.


--- Quote ---Read The Law it is expressly stated that Nameless was barred from Winter following the attack. Nameless won’t have left enough evidence for Mab in her aspect of Justice to try him but her suspicions are enough to do this. She gets evidence it’s open season on Nameless, frankly I am surprised she didn’t put Harry on it.
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can't read it can I?

--- Quote ---I mean’t Austin in Zoo day, which you obviously realised. I have told you before about trying to twist my words. This is why people do not like answering your questions directly because you troll them. Which is why I have reported you to the moderators.

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oh no, you actually misspoke and since I've read zoo day precisely once I assumed you were doing what you usually do(though now you remind me that entire story supports my theory, though not your insistence there are two entirely different kinds of circles or anything else I can think of ATM) and making an offcolor or disjointed reply in order to be cheeky, something you've done more than once and I've called you out directly on doing. Snide comments, half arguments and misdirection are your M.O. You've been screwing with me trying to get me to cross some line so you CAN report me guy.(something that was EG's M.O as well as a few others. If it didn't work then... definition of insanity isn't it?)Funny my response has been to be more like you, and you think that's reportable 😂 If they can't see that, if you can really hoodwink them, then I'll just go to the JBIT and post 🤷‍♂️ nobody's allowed to act like you've been there, and it's a much wider and audience that certainly enjoys my theories and garners Jim's attention too.

g33k:

--- Quote from: forumghost on July 17, 2023, 05:19:23 AM --- And Uriel response was to tell him 'LOL that's cute'.
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Uriel told him it was a nice circle; we can take it as one of the unambiguous truths of the Dresdenverse, because Angel.  Harry made a solid circle, even if it was only mental.
But yeah -- lol that's cute.
Angels aren't meant -- metaphysically, within the scope of the Dresden multiverse -- to be summoned & bound.  They can't be.

Even the Demonreach-powered circle that imprisoned Ivy would be "lol that's cute" if Uriel were within it.


--- Quote from: forumghost on July 17, 2023, 05:19:23 AM --- ... The Circle isn't there to summon the creature, it's so that whatever you summon doesn't eat your face.
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Yeah.  But one can either be inside a circle -- equally-valid for keeping your face un-eaten! -- or outside it.  A key difference (if you're on the inside of a circle & the face-eating summons is outside it) is that there's much less keeping it from eating everyone else's faces.

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