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Would a magic circle protect against mental wammys?

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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2023, 10:55:15 AM ---The WG is the champion of Free Will for humanity, he closed off the outsiders, limited the power level of gods etc in the mortal realm, and gave humanity protections against the lesser supernatural predators, making a more level playing field for humanity to evolve, not to stultify or seek to rely upon divine intervention to solve its problems.

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I could pick up any monotheistic religious book and say it holds the answers to creation, but that doesn't really get to the meat of why they all disagree. Same here.




--- Quote ---When the Denarians arose to upset that balance, a counter balance was created, the Swords. Uriel has schooled Harry on the balance between the infernal and the Devine and even Harry realises this now.
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well actually...
How can Kusanagi be a Sword of the Cross when it predates the crucifixion?
Because the Swords are ideas and symbols as much as they are physical objects–maybe even more so. Kusanagi isn’t the original Kusanagi, Exaclibur isn’t the original Excalibur, etc. But their title, their /idea/ has been passed down from one generation to the next, much as the names of warships are passed down to the next generation of ships, with the new ship inheriting the titles, victories, and traditions of its forbears. The nails are passed on from one sword to the next, bringing bits of the metal of each sword that came before
That implies even if the swords themselves didn't exist before the fall the ideas behind them did, which is to say the avatars of them, the angels. Whom are not TWG and seem to hold over power each individually.(although if you subscribe to the horsemen reborn theory, the 3 would be the first horsemen and TWC/G basically Death having power over all of them) the only thing we can say for sure happened with the nails is the swords became more real, just like the spear. They hold reality. Considering the exchange with ethniu it's actually implied the graces were attached to the swords separately by choice of the attendant angels.

--- Quote ---Again there are different types of circle and circles of protection which provide protection from outside supernatural agency,
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yes?
--- Quote ---and cut off power of practitioners within the circle are different to those used for summoning and binding.
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prove it. Define WHY  they are different and how. Because I already took apart the first point of a pentagram, not all wizards use pentagrams. And to elaborate on the other, Merlin's circles still up. He's not alive necessarily though. And as I said, I do believe the original explanation in SF has a bit about toot actually empowering it himself, the blood just closed the loop.
--- Quote ---Binder used the latter to summon his grey men, Molly used the former to cut Binder off from his power rendering them ectoplasm.

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and both were round circles note, no pentagram for Binder. And what's the difference? Seems to me after cutting him off she could have used it as a summoning circle🤷‍♂️
 

SerScot:

--- Quote from: g33k on July 14, 2023, 05:46:11 PM ---In Dead Beat, the ghoul was right there... it probably could have taken him out before he had time to form a circle, but even if he got it up, I think they're physical-enough to just walk right through a Circle and mess him up with claws & teeth.

Harry has *never* (that I recall) tried a Circle against ghouls (presumably because it wouldn't work).

But I think that the magic of Capiorcorpus would be blocked by a magic-circle; I just don't think DB ever offered circumstances where Harry could usefully try it.

FWIW, a circle certainly blocked the whammy from the Mind Fog in Summer Knight.

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Precisely.  A circle might not offer much protection and in combat might be penetrated quickly by physical means.  However, with mind magic, as we have seen… seconds matter.

Conspiracy Theorist:
It’s shoot repeatedly for ghoul, preferably after they have been frozen solid.

forumghost:
It's also worth noting that yeah, Harry might be able to protect himself from mental domination with an empowered circle- but an empowered circle will also stop him from doing any magic which...

Well, a Harry that can't do magic in a fight is a dead Harry.

g33k:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 14, 2023, 09:10:54 PM ---yes? Though that's not a summoning circle per se.

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Harry summoned Uriel into a mental circle.

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