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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 28, 2023, 10:19:41 AM ---Still doesn't work, because it was Murphy's own choices that led to her death, not a curse.

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I don't know what book you're reading but lemme know?
1 HOW does it not work based on
2 Murphy's choices leading to her death means what here?
3and how does that make for not a curse?
Far as I know the blame chose to attack Harry, placing him in exactly the wrong spot to be hit by a frozen turkey. If he chose this is entirely subjective based on some far out there assignment of what constitutes free will sure?
But it was still a curse that did it. So I really fail to see whatever it is your getting at beyond,"i disagree and Harry will outlive most mortals."

Mira:

--- Quote ---1 HOW does it not work based on
2 Murphy's choices leading to her death means what here?
3and how does that make for not a curse?
Far as I know the blame chose to attack Harry, placing him in exactly the wrong spot to be hit by a frozen turkey. If he chose this is entirely subjective based on some far out there assignment of what constitutes free will sure?
But it was still a curse that did it. So I really fail to see whatever it is your getting at beyond,"i disagree and Harry will outlive most mortals."

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  Murphy was injured, right? Harry asked her to stay at Mac's place, right?She chose to leave. Oh back up a minute, she chose to remove her cast and go with him in the first place, right? She chose to leave those who Harry asked her to protect at Mac's place to go after Harry, right?  ALL were her choices, what happened to her afterward is a result of her choices.. She chose to go into battle, in battle sometimes death happens, she understood that, her choice to go.  Yes, her death was stupid and needless, but being in that spot to die was her own doing, not the result of some death curse on Harry.

Point of fact for Harry and his wizard peers, they will outlive most of their vanilla mortal friends and lovers. If they meet them at the age that Harry met Murphy.. Do the math, vanilla humans at best live to be a hundred if all goes well, wizards on the other hand live for 300 years or more.. Murphy's death is no more part of the "die alone" curse than you can say Eb is under the same curse because his wife is dead. 

Also I suggest you reread what Malcolm told Harry in his vision, "we all die alone.." In other words though the words of Cassius sound bad, it wasn't a real curse.   

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2023, 10:12:36 AM ---  Murphy was injured, right? Harry asked her to stay at Mac's place, right?She chose to leave. Oh back up a minute, she chose to remove her cast and go with him in the first place, right? She chose to leave those who Harry asked her to protect at Mac's place to go after Harry, right?  ALL were her choices, what happened to her afterward is a result of her choices.. She chose to go into battle, in battle sometimes death happens, she understood that, her choice to go.  Yes, her death was stupid and needless, but being in that spot to die was her own doing, not the result of some death curse on Harry.
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yes that's what I thought you'd say. But making an unlimited number of choices that leads you to someone else MURDERING you is never going to track as a choice. Hence murder and not "assistance leaving"
So Na. Unless you wanna argue the family who loaded up chose to get hit by the drunk driver because they knew drunk drivers drive on roads let's not, because I didn't want to to begin with. (I think you're confabulating free will, choice and someone actually cheating in the DF into one thing here, just because nobody outright cheated doesn't make it her choice)

--- Quote ---Point of fact for Harry and his wizard peers, they will outlive most of their vanilla mortal friends and lovers. If they meet them at the age that Harry met Murphy.. Do the math, vanilla humans at best live to be a hundred if all goes well, wizards on the other hand live for 300 years or more.. Murphy's death is no more part of the "die alone" curse than you can say Eb is under the same curse because his wife is dead.
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the fact that Murphy WILL die has no actual bearing on when and how she died. Your mashing lines of logic together that don't fit.
A. Murphy is mortal and WILL pass in time
Has nothing to do with
B. How and why Murphy died here in.
And then you actually point out a similar logical fallacy about EB? Saying Murphy WILL die has no bearing on HOW she did die.


--- Quote ---Also I suggest you reread what Malcolm told Harry in his vision, "we all die alone.." In other words though the words of Cassius sound bad, it wasn't a real curse.

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okay, it's fine to have that opinion if you want. I'd ask that you please use a bit more thought into how you respond to other people's ideas please. Multiple times now you've told me this is wrong based on opinion, heresay and a bad logical grouping. If you wanna discuss the merits of a theory, cool 👍 this doesn't feel like that.

Conspiracy Theorist:
At one point in the narrative Harry will be dyeing something for Maggie and realise that there is no one else in the room with him and that Cassius really, really was a poor excuse for a wizard for whom English was not his first language.

Dina:
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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