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Conspiracy Theorist:
I would point out that Father Forthill in Ghost Story was on the verge of being shepherded to his afterlife by an angel of death. He was not alone.

Cassius was a former Denarian, as such he should know about Angels of death. Was this Cassius intent? To try to prevent Harry from from being shepherded to his afterlife so that others may hijack his spirit to take it elsewhere, as was feared for Forthill?

As I point out Harry is extremely resistant to anything which preordains his death, but afterwards? Unfortunately for Cassius though Harry has an Archangel watching over him.

Cassius wasn’t trying to kill Harry, he was trying to damn him,

Mira:

--- Quote from: Dina on June 26, 2023, 10:39:55 PM ---Me too, Mira. And I agree "alone" is relative. My grand=grand-mother died in her sleep, in her bed, with my grand mother in another bed in the same room. Did she die alone? My grandmother and my mother died in hospitals, with several people around actively trying to save them. Did they die alone? The three of them had loving family and friends. In my personal opinion, they died alone in the sense that Mira says, but probably not in the sense Cassius intended. There is a chance that The_Sibelis is right, and Cassius curse was what directed Rudy's bullet to Murphy. On the other hand, I think it would be weird that Cassius was able to do such a powerful curse, that could affect the physical world many years (and many sunsets) after his own demise, without having anything powering it (like Maggie's blood). So...I don't know. And I would like to have an answer about that.

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Yes, I had a dear friend who told her beloved brother to leave her bedside because she wanted to die alone, and she did a few hours later.  My husband died alone, the Hospice nurse said it was very common for patients to die between shifts when there is no one in the room. The Murphy thing doesn't quite work for me either, because in the final battle as one of Odin's fighters who is to say she won't be with Harry when his time comes? Or yes, Harry loved Murphy, but more than Molly or Maggie? I still think it was more something Cassius said to frighten than a real curse... Or there is this also, Cassius never was the brightest penny and most likely wasted his death curse on something that really isn't a curse.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Dina on June 26, 2023, 10:39:55 PM ---Me too, Mira. And I agree "alone" is relative. My grand=grand-mother died in her sleep, in her bed, with my grand mother in another bed in the same room. Did she die alone? My grandmother and my mother died in hospitals, with several people around actively trying to save them. Did they die alone? The three of them had loving family and friends. In my personal opinion, they died alone in the sense that Mira says, but probably not in the sense Cassius intended. There is a chance that The_Sibelis is right, and Cassius curse was what directed Rudy's bullet to Murphy. On the other hand, I think it would be weird that Cassius was able to do such a powerful curse, that could affect the physical world many years (and many sunsets) after his own demise, without having anything powering it (like Maggie's blood). So...I don't know. And I would like to have an answer about that.

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alright so on this. didn't Harry feel it 'hook' or 'sink' in? I always figured it was carried within him, classic curse style. Could be Harry's actively feeding the curse(Cassius was WEAK, not dumb. He had the same fallen that turned Marcone into a sorcery powerhouse in less than a decade, and it was all from knowledge) or it's just not spent itself yet. Death curses consume... Well everything? Depending on the nuances of this it could hold the power of every decision or action they could ever make, the soul fire itself cast into it?🤷‍♂️ Either way, one life has a lot of power in it... And I confess another ironic possibility. If it did kill Murphy, was Murphy ergo sacrificed to the curse giving it greater energy? I think Cassius laid out a classic and proper curse, just with in the moment intentions behind it. Could be gaining power instead of losing it. Attaching it to a life is just one way we do know of that can empower it. An this leads to another even more ironic possibility. Curse or no curse, it was Harry's own magical aura reacting with the gun that caused the misfire.
An honestly, if we ask what would hurt Harry the most? That's the Occam answer.

Mira:

--- Quote ---alright so on this. didn't Harry feel it 'hook' or 'sink' in? I always figured it was carried within him, classic curse style. Could be Harry's actively feeding the curse(Cassius was WEAK, not dumb. He had the same fallen that turned Marcone into a sorcery powerhouse in less than a decade, and it was all from knowledge) or it's just not spent itself yet. Death curses consume... Well everything? Depending on the nuances of this it could hold the power of every decision or action they could ever make, the soul fire itself cast into it?🤷‍♂️ Either way, one life has a lot of power in it... And I confess another ironic possibility. If it did kill Murphy, was Murphy ergo sacrificed to the curse giving it greater energy? I think Cassius laid out a classic and proper curse, just with in the moment intentions behind it. Could be gaining power instead of losing it. Attaching it to a life is just one way we do know of that can empower it. An this leads to another even more ironic possibility. Curse or no curse, it was Harry's own magical aura reacting with the gun that caused the misfire.
An honestly, if we ask what would hurt Harry the most? That's the Occam answer.
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Still doesn't work, because it was Murphy's own choices that led to her death, not a curse.  Anyway, as a vanilla mortal, she would have died with in the next fifty years, before Harry anyway unless he was killed somehow..

Conspiracy Theorist:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 28, 2023, 10:19:41 AM ---Still doesn't work, because it was Murphy's own choices that led to her death, not a curse.  Anyway, as a vanilla mortal, she would have died with in the next fifty years, before Harry anyway unless he was killed somehow..

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Quite a total waste of a perfectly good death curse. Harry would have outlived all of his vanilla paramours. This is why I don’t think the curse was meant to kill, it was to make Harry suffer, which is why I think it was designed to block the Angel of Death from protecting Harry. Now the Angel showed up to protect Forthill in Ghost Story when there was the potential for his death. The same must have applied during Changes with Harry, but Uriel stepped up protecting Harry’s spirit from being collected by the Fallen, and that WAS something within Uriel’s capacity to act to work against the Fallen in the mortal world I think this is why we get the entire Angel of Death/Forthill sub-plot and that the curse is now fully discharged.

Thinking about it, without the Death Curse, Uriel wouldn’t have been able to help Harry in Ghost Story at all.

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