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KurtinStGeorge:
I've seen people on Reddit and YouTube channels that cover the Dresden Files speculating that the Wizard of Chicago might become a mantle that would presumably would come with a set of currently undefined powers.  I suppose it's possible, but doesn't seem more likely that Harry; when he is acting as the Wizard of Chicago, might instead become a signatory of Mab's accords and become a recognized supernatural power in his own right?  Harry would still be a vassal of Winter when he is acting as the Winter Knight, just as Odin is a vassal of Winter when he is acting as Kringle.  The rest of the time Odin is a recognized power in his own right, so why couldn't Harry do that too?

The best thing about this happening is it would really get the Merlin and several others on The White Council really P.O.'d because instead of undercutting Harry by kicking him off the Council, they unleashed Harry and made him more influential than he could ever be as just another Warden.  In theory, Harry joining the accords as an independent power would also put Harry on the same footing as Marcone, which could also lead to interesting complications.

Harry would need three signatures acting as representatives of their various supernatural nations.  He should be able to get Molly's signature and Lara Raiths and he would only need one more after that.

I just think it's a really fun idea because despite the increase in prestige it would bring Harry, being a signatory of Mab's accords would almost certainly bring him many headaches as well.

Mira:


   Oh it would be a real hoot if Marcone became the third signer.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Mantles are made from the nine we have seen, they do not occur naturally. The only mantle concerning Harry which he owns in on his duster, and over the fireplace in the Castle. Mab owns the Winter Knights ass (does Harry now have a snowflake tramp stamp?)

What is more likely is that Little Chicago inadvertently created an embryo genius loci for Chicago(massively accelerating the natural process) and that Harry bonds with it in the same way he did with Demonreach, so when Harry passes, another wizard can bond with it as the new Wizard of Chicago. Harry had Soulfire after Small Favour so that may have inadvertently kick-started the process, and embryonic Genius Loci escaped the model during the fire (mirroring the Great fire of 1871 which led to major rebuilding) passing into and connecting with the Ley Line network (which Harry modelled in Little Chicago) to draw power.

Demonreach is special and old amongst genius loci, so Chicargo would not be able to gift the same powers to Harry, at least not during his lifetime, but it would for example give Harry a home field advantage in being able to draw more power as he anticipated with the Sanctum invocation involving Demonreach, especially as it will be a big genius loci, whilst operating within Chicago itself, maybe as much as he was able to wield in in Battle Ground.

It is a logical power up given Harry’s recent progression and WOJ about Harry becoming more involved locally in civil affairs, far more than the creation of a Mantle.

KurtinStGeorge:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 29, 2023, 09:19:53 PM ---Mantles are made from the nine we have seen, they do not occur naturally. The only mantle concerning Harry which he owns in on his duster, and over the fireplace in the Castle. Mab owns the Winter Knights ass (does Harry now have a snowflake tramp stamp?)

What is more likely is that Little Chicago inadvertently created an embryo genius loci for Chicago(massively accelerating the natural process) and that Harry bonds with it in the same way he did with Demonreach, so when Harry passes, another wizard can bond with it as the new Wizard of Chicago. Harry had Soulfire after Small Favour so that may have inadvertently kick-started the process, and embryonic Genius Loci escaped the model during the fire (mirroring the Great fire of 1871 which led to major rebuilding) passing into and connecting with the Ley Line network (which Harry modelled in Little Chicago) to draw power.

Demonreach is special and old amongst genius loci, so Chicargo would not be able to gift the same powers to Harry, at least not during his lifetime, but it would for example give Harry a home field advantage in being able to draw more power as he anticipated with the Sanctum invocation involving Demonreach, especially as it will be a big genius loci, whilst operating within Chicago itself, maybe as much as he was able to wield in in Battle Ground.

It is a logical power up given Harry’s recent progression and WOJ about Harry becoming more involved locally in civil affairs, far more than the creation of a Mantle.

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I don't think you read my post beyond the first sentence.  I said quite clearly that I doubt the possibility of a mantle being created by Harry becoming the Wizard of Chicago.  What seems more likely to me is Harry becoming recognized as a power in his own right by signing on to Mab's accords as a Free Holding Lord, just like Marcone and the Semi-Immortal Shape Shifter Guru in Ukraine.


--- Quote from: Mira on April 29, 2023, 10:12:26 AM ---
   Oh it would be a real hoot if Marcone became the third signer.

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I very much agree with you and hope it happens.   However, Marcone would have to have a hell of a good reason to agree to help put Harry on the same political level as himself.

Snark Knight:
Isn't there a fairly absurd amount of paperwork to wade through? I might be thinking of the protocols for getting a site declared accorded neutral grounds, but if not, I doubt Harry has the patience for a slog through documents.

Plus, membership in two accorded nations only worked for Harry because he was Council before essentially selling himself to Mab. I'm not sure it would fly with a lot of the other nations for someone who's already the Winter Knight to subsequently sign on as a freeholding lord. Might buy a lot more trouble with Summer in particular than it's worth.

Secondarily, I think there was a WOJ that a lot of mid-tier players are deterred because claiming independent micronation status can oblige you to, for example, be a good lawful host on a blampire if called on to do so.

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