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g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on March 14, 2023, 06:36:32 AM ---And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
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The Dresdenfiles canon itself.
"Mindlink" is thing of magic; there needs to be a spell cast. Spell-casting is a relatively-rare ability, even the minor talents like Charity's and the Ordo Lebes's.
But anyone can pray. Everyone can pray.
Maybe when you get an answer, that's "mindlink" style "magic." Maybe -- since God has that whole "omniscience" thing goin' on -- God has a continual Mindlink to everyone.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 15, 2023, 09:32:26 PM ---The Dresdenfiles canon itself.
"Mindlink" is thing of magic; there needs to be a spell cast. Spell-casting is a relatively-rare ability, even the minor talents like Charity's and the Ordo Lebes's.
But anyone can pray. Everyone can pray.
Maybe when you get an answer, that's "mindlink" style "magic." Maybe -- since God has that whole "omniscience" thing goin' on -- God has a continual Mindlink to everyone.
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Prayer can be REQUESTING a link, but some entity with more power has to establish it to get two way comm.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 15, 2023, 09:22:58 PM ---I think Lash became her "own person" (an independent entity) only at the very end.
When she exercised her free will, for the very first time... and chose to die in order to save Harry.
Before that, she was essentially just an automaton, going through the rotes that Lasciel had programmed into her.
Although I think it unlikely, though not impossible.
WoJ says that Bob had a similar origin to Bonea (by that I presume he meant that:
* the Shadow of a supernatural heavyweight was placed into the mind of a mortal wizard
* the then Shadow developed Free Will
* the Shadow performed some act of sacrifice/love/etcThis created a new spirit (who we know as Bob the Skull).
A key issue, for me, is that we can take Bob's word as a matter of core expertise; it isn't just general "probably this way" magical theory, which Bob can get wrong (particularly when he strays into matters of "Soul" and "good-vs-evil" and areas outside his academic core).
But how he himself was created? How this works, in general?
I gotta presume Bob knows about this stuff... And Bob thnks Lash is gone.
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Lea is most likely Bob’s ‘father’, she is a dark muse giving inspiration in return for an early death. Remember Lash was able to act as a muse for Harry in playing the guitar. Her interest in children also has to be considered as does Bob’s excitement at seeing her when hiding from Winter. Jim has said we have seen Bob’s parents, suggesting that we have seen a mortal from about 1200 years ago, which is the Gatekeeper, possibly The prisoner in Demonreach, perhaps Nameless or here is a weird one mortal MAB before she became the Winter Lady. Timing would be right given what we know from Peace Talks, what if Mab wanted inspiration as to magic to be able to attract Merlin, got it, realised it was a death sentence and then took on the Winter Lady Mantle to survive it, as an immortal? Bob would then certainly have the requisite knowledge of killing immortals in that instance.
Under this theory Bob has two mummies, and it would be incredibly sneaky of Jim to do this, misdirecting all the readers.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2023, 02:01:28 PM --- Lea is most likely Bob’s ‘father’, she is a dark muse giving inspiration in return for an early death ...
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I think Lea and Mab are each likely candidates for the creation of the Bob-to-be Shadow.
Mab -- as the more-powerful, and the one prone to r-e-a-l-l-y long-term planning -- is IMHO more likely. In this WAG, Bob is actually a deep-cover Winter agent, an invaluable tool for mortal wizards... who don't realize that Mab set Bob's original programming in place. Bob is afraid of Winter (particularly Mab) precisely because (like Lash did) he gained his independence of the programming and "went rogue." Alternatively, Bob hasn't gone rogue, and secretly is still Mab's faithful servant; he's feigning terror as part of his cover, to deflect suspicion. Every time he goes on a "scouting mission" for Harry (or any other wizard) he has a chance to touch base.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2023, 02:01:28 PM --- ... Jim has said we have seen Bob’s parents, suggesting that we have seen a mortal from about 1200 years ago, which is the Gatekeeper
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The Gatekeeper is an interesting theory! I think it among the more-likely I've seen, in fact.
Rashid + Mab ? It works rather well, actually!
But do we know Bob's age that precisely, "about 1200 years"?
IIRC we only know that "Etienne the Enchanter" put Bob into the skull in "the Middle Ages." That might be as old as 450ish CE, as recent as 1500ish, depending on who you consult.
And I've got to point out that -- IIRC -- we know little to nothing about pre-Skull Bob... was he previously bound into a staff? A different skull? Did he lurk discorporate in caves for a century? Maybe he has a longer pre-Skull history than he has since Etienne! Maybe "Bob" was actually a "rough draft" or "proof of concept" project for what eventually became The Archive. (unlikely, I admit! But my point is: we have very little solid info)
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2023, 02:01:28 PM ---
... possibly The prisoner in Demonreach, perhaps Nameless
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Anyone imprisoned in Demonreach is frankly too-powerful for the "mortal host" role; either could have been the Supernatural Baby-Daddy.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2023, 02:01:28 PM --- ... or here is a weird one mortal MAB before she became the Winter Lady. Timing would be right given what we know from Peace Talks, what if Mab wanted inspiration as to magic to be able to attract Merlin, got it, realised it was a death sentence and then took on the Winter Lady Mantle to survive it, as an immortal?
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Merlin's orgin was -- at least, Arthur was -- more like 1500-1600 years ago. Given the power Merlin displayed, and that we know he used time-related magic, the phrase "Merlin's Origin" may be a confounding one until canon or WoJ speaks unambiguously!
I'm not positive, but I *think* I recall WoJ that Lea elevated as Mab did; it was Mab's "patronage" that made Lea the power she is today. If I am recalling correctly, that would preclude the Lea+
Mab combo.
But I'm pretty sure Mab's ascension was part of a much-larger event involving a Starborn, and at least Amoracchius (maybe one or both of the other Swords, too).
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2023, 02:01:28 PM --- Bob would then certainly have the requisite knowledge of killing immortals in that instance...
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I presume most immortals have that knowledge.
Bob could have gotten it from virtually any Shadow-parent who was an immortal.
g33k:
--- Quote from: kel0700 on March 13, 2023, 10:59:28 PM ---Hey this connection might be a bit weak but I noticed two scenes that are sorta linked that have made me believe that Justin is really cowl.
One is this scene in fugitive
“Harry,” Cowl muttered, staring at me. “You are an almighty pain in my ass.” The fires leapt higher on the other side of the farmhouse, and the shadows darkened. Now we came to it. “Ash,” Cowl said. “Nix his aura if you please.”
You'll notice that cowl refers to Harry as Harry but also cowl says "if you please"
The second scene is one which occurs in ghost story
"In my peripheral vision, I saw Justin turn back to his book. “Once more, if you please.”
Again I know its sort of a weak link but the fact that cowl referred to Harry as Harry in a familiar way and the fact that cowl and Justin both say "if you please" also by Jim's own admission he's a lazy writer and if something is in the story it's for a reason, I'm convinced that Justin is Cowl.
What do yous guys think?
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Maybe, but I think it's just that, as you say, Jim is a lazy writer. "Misplaced politeness & and a touch of formality" is Jim's signifier for the really dangerous villains, the ones who think:
--- Quote ---Shadow, if you would, disable Dresden.
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- Nicodemus Archleone, addressing Lasciel's Shadow (unbeknownst to him, now gone); Small Favor ch.45
One could, I suppose, argue that Nicodemus' different phrasing lends extra weight to the fact that Cowl & DuMorne used the same phrasing. But I find the argument tenuous, at best.
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