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vincentric:
Because the Justin is Cowl team doesn't think he burned to death. The good guys in the books do. We just disagree on which WoJ is a deception. He could call the dog Ash because it was the one he saved from the burning building Harry fled from with Mouse and his littermates.
You do realize that Justin could be Cowl and Nameless could have still done all the other things you conjecture as one of his allies on the Black Council. The only theory of yours it upsets is Cowl's identity.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 13, 2023, 05:45:04 PM ---Michael has a hot-line to Uriel who works with the Angel of Death, its prayer not a mind-link it’s interesting though that Kincaid the Hellhound is on Uriel’s radar in a good way. This would suggest Kincaid is on a redemption arc
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And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
Ed0517:
--- Quote ---... As for lash or Alfred, they are DESIGNED to communicate with humans, it is a key function - in Lash's case, absolutely essential ...
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--- Quote from: g33k on March 13, 2023, 08:00:21 PM ---I repeat: Lash isn't a separate "entity." She's part of Harry's own mind.
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No. She is implanted in his mind. If it was just his mind, how did he learned to speak Etruscan, or Sumerian (is that what the ghouls spoke?), or know how to dislocate his thumb to slip cuffs? Improve his guitar playing? Another entity had to be there whispering in his ear.
--- Quote --- The 3rd Law is, "Thou Shalt Not Invade the Mind of Another." That seems pretty straight, but there's ambiguity on what constitutes an "invasion" (I think, after Peabody, the Council lightened-up a bit in their attitudes toward psychomancy). "Control" has its own whole Law of Magic! "Thou Shalt Not Enthrall Another" is the Fourth Law. Again, it's nice and simple on the face of it, but admits of a large gray zone when you interrogate "enthrallment."
Even a 100% mutual & consensual mindlink spell (such Harry & Elaine used) would previously (pre-Peabody) have been seen as at least highly-dubious (likely contributing to fears & allegations of black magic, tho not seen as proof-positive, telling at trial but only circumstantial evidence).
Now they see the need to work on mental defenses, and so they need to work more robustly with the techniques and methods, and so they need to allow such minor and innocuous magics.
The key issue is willingness. In particular, reading the mind of someone who hasn't given their active consent is forbidden.
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What about talking? Seems the Merlin was giving orders in the mistfiend fight? Did anyone ask for that? That was a conversation, mind reading is snooping. If I invited you in, and go to get refreshments in the kitchen, mind reading is rummaging thru my desk. Not implied by letting you in.
If we look at another UF world, Atticus has a link with Oberon - he "talks" to him, but no more compulsion than any dog owner would have on his pet. Why can't Harry and Mouse?
--- Quote ---I that think Michael is telling Harry he asked in prayer -- and got an answer. That's not mindlink magic.
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Unless a prayer IS a mindlink from a higher being.
--- Quote ---But also, recall that most creatures don't get soul-gazed at all. Outside of humanity itself, I think it's pretty rare.
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Maybe you NEED a soul, and non-sentient beings may not usually have that.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on March 14, 2023, 06:36:32 AM ---And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
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Uriel is an intellectus, it’s like Harry writing a note to Ivy, when someone prays. It’s just that Michael has been assigned his own ring-tone. Probably Amazing Grace, as I believe he once sang it. Harry’s is the main theme to Star Wars, Butters is of course Polka, Sanya ? I like to think the theme to Tetris, Shiro? Something by Elvis obviously. Murphy “I fought the Law, and the law won”
Mouse I believe has a Grace, meaning he is mostly soul.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 13, 2023, 08:20:58 PM --- No, I don't think you can say that, she started out as the Shadow of Lasciel who eventually morphed into Lash.
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I think Lash became her "own person" (an independent entity) only at the very end.
When she exercised her free will, for the very first time... and chose to die in order to save Harry.
Before that, she was essentially just an automaton, going through the rotes that Lasciel had programmed into her.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 13, 2023, 08:20:58 PM --- Actually I think in the end Bonea will turn out to be Lash.
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Although I think it unlikely, though not impossible.
WoJ says that Bob had a similar origin to Bonea (by that I presume he meant that:
* the Shadow of a supernatural heavyweight was placed into the mind of a mortal wizard
* the then Shadow developed Free Will
* the Shadow performed some act of sacrifice/love/etcThis created a new spirit (who we know as Bob the Skull).
A key issue, for me, is that we can take Bob's word as a matter of core expertise; it isn't just general "probably this way" magical theory, which Bob can get wrong (particularly when he strays into matters of "Soul" and "good-vs-evil" and areas outside his academic core).
But how he himself was created? How this works, in general?
I gotta presume Bob knows about this stuff... And Bob thnks Lash is gone.
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