The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
“You Know What He Was Meant To Be”
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 01, 2023, 04:42:09 AM ---It has always been presumed a Denarian led the attack on Arctis Tor, because of Hellfire but the sheer scale of the attack is far greater than any Denarian, what if it was Lucifer himself? It would explain Uriel being able to ally with Mab and approach Dresden.
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The presence of a large number of fallen cannon-fodder doesn't really speak to "sheer scale." Ebenezer showed up to Chichén Itzá with a small army in his pocket! I presume many senior wizards (let alone someoe such as a Denarian) could do as much.
I've always considered that "hellfire" just means a wizard using that method, which doesn't have to be a Denarian. I presume there are other means to learn it. But later in the series, Mab seems to confirm that it was one of the Denarians.
Lucifer, if freed to act, would overwhelm even Mab -- more power, more planning, more cunning. Mab wouldn't stand (if you'll pardon the phrase) a snowball's chance in hell.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 01, 2023, 04:42:09 AM ---Page 234 Harry hears The Erl King’s horn. At this point he is definitely Winterfae.
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Not necessarily. Erl just loves a hunt, and he has some "unfinished business" with Harry.
I think there may be some sort of "Winter Consort" Mantle that the Erlking sometimes wears, so he may indeed have been Winter (at that moment in time).
Mira:
--- Quote ---I've always considered that "hellfire" just means a wizard using that method, which doesn't have to be a Denarian. I presume there are other means to learn it. But later in the series, Mab seems to confirm that it was one of the Denarians.
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I don't think "hellfire" can be learned, it is the opposite of "soulfire" which also cannot be learned. Harry had hellfire when the Shadow of Laciel possessed him, later when he rejected her he was gifted soulfire by Uriel.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 02, 2023, 04:50:55 AM --- I don't think "hellfire" can be learned, it is the opposite of "soulfire" which also cannot be learned. Harry had hellfire when the Shadow of Laciel possessed him, later when he rejected her he was gifted soulfire by Uriel.
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Harry experienced getting Soulfire as just a minor "jostle" or "bump" in his normal casting, a minor adjustment of his way of working. It was, perhaps, a highly obscure adjustment, one that's overwhelmingly-unlikely to be stumbled-upon. I don't know that Harry could (or couldn't) teach it, for example to Molly, or write down a method that would be in any way meaningful to the uninitiated. Even if he could, I doubt that he would: I'm pretty sure he's wise enough to realize that he isn't wise enough to know who should or shouldn't have that tool.
Hellfire is "the flip side of the coin" of Soulfire, so I presume a similarly-minor adjustment there. Rather tellingly, I think, Harry couldn't refrain from using Hellfire, for quite a long time. I presume Lasciel's Shadow was messing with his sense of it, preventing him from noticing her "bumping his elbow" (the abilities of a shadow to mess with the senses of their Host seems quite comprehensive). Later on, he had better control of it; but not perfect control (during Lasciel/Lash's tenure, I don't recall him ever calling light from his staff when it didn't smolder with the odor of brimstone).
But Hellfire is a tool of Hell. I doubt they exactly give it out like candy at Hallowe'en, but I suspect Down There is delighted to give ambitious & power-hungry wizards access to "great power and (entirely optional) responsibility."
I presume -- if Harry had cared to do so -- he could have bargained with Chauncy or another demon of Hell, to get access to Hellfire.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry experienced getting Soulfire as just a minor "jostle" or "bump" in his normal casting, a minor adjustment of his way of working. It was, perhaps, a highly obscure adjustment, one that's overwhelmingly-unlikely to be stumbled-upon. I don't know that Harry could (or couldn't) teach it, for example to Molly, or write down a method that would be in any way meaningful to the uninitiated. Even if he could, I doubt that he would: I'm pretty sure he's wise enough to realize that he isn't wise enough to know who should or shouldn't have that tool.
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No, we are told pretty much when he was gifted with it in Small Favor. It is for lack of a better word, "an angelic power" he was gifted with. How to use it and when to use it is another matter, and Harry is still a lot to learn. Uriel also pretty much told him he has to figure it out for himself. He has mostly used it like adding a "dash of salt" to spells, it made all the difference in the world between failure and success when he did his thing with the island creature we now know as Alfred.
--- Quote ---Hellfire is "the flip side of the coin" of Soulfire, so I presume a similarly-minor adjustment there. Rather tellingly, I think, Harry couldn't refrain from using Hellfire, for quite a long time.
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I don't think he wanted to refrain from using it, simply because it gave kaboom fire magic such a boost. That was the trap, it was addictive, it wasn't until Murphy called him on it and he almost burned Molly's face off trying to make a point that he really tried to get a handle on it. Mainly because it wasn't just how hell fire came out of his staff, but how it affected his anger levels.
--- Quote ---I presume -- if Harry had cared to do so -- he could have bargained with Chauncy or another demon of Hell, to get access to Hellfire.
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Possible if he knew about it before hand, but then again demons are not on the same level as fallen angels, so possibly not.
Conspiracy Theorist:
White Night “of a man in his mid-thirties, tall and lean and wolfish.” Description of Cowl page 128
The Law ‘A tall, lean man sat behind a desk facing the door of the office. He wore a black suit that matched his coal-black hair, swept straight back from his face, and an emerald-green tie that matched his emerald-green eyes.”description of The Nameless Son, page 37.
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