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How much information does the WC have
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 19, 2023, 11:30:52 AM ---Key word here is set foot on the island, once the defenses are set by the Warden, they don't set foot on the island. Alfred isn't passive at all, Freydis was seen as a greater threat than Lara, every time she tried to step onto land, she was flung into the lake.
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Keeping them off the island is a different matter from when they are ON the island and talking to Harry. Lot easier to prevent a beachhead than to fight one back into the sea. That is why I say the dome approach is plausible.
I think Harry was directing Alfred to toss Freydis - and that she was indeed treated as the LESSER threat - she was treated almost contemptuously. tossed aside as baggage. Harry wanted Lara close to talk to and calm down. She's the dangerous one, and the important one. Harry kills her, there's wergild, he kills Lara, there's war. Though the wizards may say he's rogue, and not one of us any more. Kill him if you wish
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: vincentric on February 19, 2023, 04:10:19 PM ---Well, at the end of CD, Harry told Alfred to take Mab below and lock her up if she killed him. So even if it's one at a time, none of the WC or wardens can handle that.
And yes, Harry can break LOS pretty easily. All he needs is for Alfred to whip up a fog or sandstorm while he runs into the forest. Then he plays hide and seek for the few minutes it will take Alfred to grab or squish everyone. And that's the key. Harry doesn't have to fight, he just has to give the order to Alfred and survive till the action ends. And his worse outcome is a draw. The WC has a chance to get him with their first shot but Alfred will still get them just as he would have Mab.
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Oh, no doubt Alfred can jail any of them, I said as much already. But do you think the Blackstaff has never had to track someone in fog? HARRY has done that with Arianna. I don't think that alone is enough. His worst outcome is Harry gets killed. his best outcome is likely that Alfred does manage to get them all before they get off the island. By running to the dock or flying off.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 19, 2023, 05:28:05 PM ---
--- Quote --- And yes, Harry can break LOS pretty easily. All he needs is for Alfred to whip up a fog or sandstorm while he runs into the forest. Then he plays hide and seek for the few minutes it will take Alfred to ....
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Harry knows Carlos pretty well, he only needs to order Alfred/island to handle him based on his weaknesses and his strengths. No contest.
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Mira, the LOS here is not Carlos, it's Line Of Sight for the combat. Three letter acronym time. It's Harry trying to effectively vanish
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 20, 2023, 01:31:17 AM ---I think this is generally true, though maybe individual SC members (lookin' at u Cristos!) might be dumb enough...
But nerds -- including Dresden nerds -- seem like moths to a flame, for "who beats..." topics.
At a certain point, raw combat power is just not really relevant anymore, it's not going to carry the day: they all have enough badassery to manage a killshot; it's just a question of who was better-prepared / sneakier / etc... for example, who thought to bring a bagfull of (iron-armed) Little Folk to a Queenfight?
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And Harry won that day by having too many attackers to parry. the 7 on the island might not all leave, but one gets Harry in that setting. If they were going to launch a frontal assault from Chicago, no, I think not.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 20, 2023, 06:59:27 AM ---Oh, no doubt Alfred can jail any of them, I said as much already. But do you think the Blackstaff has never had to track someone in fog? HARRY has done that with Arianna. I don't think that alone is enough. His worst outcome is Harry gets killed. his best outcome is likely that Alfred does manage to get them all before they get off the island. By running to the dock or flying off.
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Arianna was in an arena and circling to attack because it was a 1v1 fight. In this scenario, Harry gives Alfred the order and runs away. No staying close, no positioning for an attack, not angling for a better view, he just runs away until Alfred says the job is done. Harry has perfect knowledge of the terrain and can sprint away with no need to watch his footing because of his intellectus. Any WC pursuit won't have these advantages and the terrain will be actively working against them. And all the while, Alfred will be taking them out. Unless they get Harry right at the start of the action, he's going to win. All he has to do is give the order and have Alfred start with Eb. Alfred is going to be doing all the fighting and it has shown to be able to withstand the combined power of both Ladies and the power to take Mab with no prep or binding while on the island.
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