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Will we see more of the Grey Council in “Twelve Months”
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 20, 2022, 08:41:40 PM --- I don't buy that at all. I think it is too significant that Jim wrote a whole short story where Carlos and Molly work together and try to consummate the attraction they had for one another since White Night, and have it all go so terribly wrong. I think it did more than physical harm to Carlos, and he blames the Winter Court, maybe Fae in general, but certainly anyone connected with the Winter Court for what happened to him. I think it is very true that neither Molly nor Harry were aware that this would happen if a vanilla human tried to have casual sex with the Winter Lady. However does Carlos believe that? In my opinion all through Peace Talks and Battle Ground there was an odor of mistrust on the part of Carlos of Harry. I have no doubt that someone on the Senior Council is feeding into that.. However I also think that Mab deliberately left out that little rule when she was showing Molly what her duties were, she also neglected to tell Harry. Why? Because she thinks it is to her advantage for both Harry and Molly to be isolated from the White Council as much as possible.
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Yeah. Carlos no longer trusts fae. Carlos trusted Molly saw her has a friend. Sure she was the Winter lady but she was still the same girl to him. How many people know that the mantle can protect it self. And how many are going to share that info. Carlos probably now thinks that the real Molly and harry are dead. And winter is using them as meat suits using them for winter's ends. The real harry and molly buried to deep to stop the fae. The Black council is probably telling him this.
Mab is a lot of things, monster, defender of reality, monster, abuser and anything else neccessary to do her job.
--- Quote from: Mira on December 22, 2022, 03:03:06 PM ---Yes, Mab is frightened, she also learns from past mistakes and I think she may feel that the best lessons are learned, the hard way. In Peace Talks Corb mocks her about her being crying pimply faced young woman crying [I assume when she was still Lady] because her lover dumped her. Apparently she told her own daughter Maeve about the no sex rule for Winter Ladies, and it made her twisted and vulnerable to infestation by Nemesis. So perhaps she thought that better for Molly to learn the hard way because it wastes less time.. It is possible that she never considered the other side of the equation, the man in question. We were all a bit shocked when she suggested that Harry kill Molly if something happened to her. However we know she had no problem ordering Harry to kill her own daughter. Actually I still maintain though Murphy may have pulled the trigger, Mab's finger was moving before hand, that she indeed killed her own daughter because she felt it had to be done. Maybe since the Mantle will flow into the nearest vessel, Mab is willing to gamble that the mantle will flow into a stronger vessel.. Again saving time.
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Mab seems to think only the job matters anything else is secondary. In Mabs eyes Molly is too summer to be Queen. Would Molly sacrifice any of her family to protect reality, harry , Margie. The answer is no. She isnt ready until she can do that.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Yeah. Carlos no longer trusts fae. Carlos trusted Molly saw her has a friend. Sure she was the Winter lady but she was still the same girl to him. How many people know that the mantle can protect it self. And how many are going to share that info. Carlos probably now thinks that the real Molly and harry are dead. And winter is using them as meat suits using them for winter's ends. The real harry and molly buried to deep to stop the fae. The Black council is probably telling him this.
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Yes, I believe that is exactly what he thinks. And yes, if it isn't someone on the Black Council telling him this, someone on the Senior Council is.
--- Quote ---Mab seems to think only the job matters anything else is secondary. In Mabs eyes Molly is too summer to be Queen. Would Molly sacrifice any of her family to protect reality, harry , Margie. The answer is no. She isnt ready until she can do that.
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And no, she isn't ready to do that, and Harry will never be ready to kill Molly.. He'd kill the Winter Lady before he'd killed Molly.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 24, 2022, 08:24:56 PM ---Yes, I believe that is exactly what he thinks. And yes, if it isn't someone on the Black Council telling him this, someone on the Senior Council is.
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...you say that like being in one means you are not in the other... I think the Carlos Whisperer is in both...
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 24, 2022, 11:50:24 AM --- ... we witness her twisted fascination with sex at her court in the Chicago Underground ...
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It seems the Ladies are "supposed to be" erotic & tempting.
Aurora was. Lily already was, as a changeling, but got more-so.
Maeve was. Molly was, as a mortal; but (again) got moreso.
(of course, the ladies are also supposed to be chaste & virginal)
As far as a "twisted fascination with sex" goes... I'm not sure how well any of us would deal with a hyped-up libido & centuries of chastity! But the Ladies are "frozen in time," perpetually stuck at that horny-late-teen stage; and Winter is supposed to be cold, and cruel.
Maeve seemed to have a "winter-lady"-ish sort of sexuality to her.
--- Quote from: Mira on December 24, 2022, 11:50:24 AM --- ... Yes, lying may of delighted her, but was it her or Nemesis that was doing the lying through her? ...
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The Lady-Mantle is, I think, strong enough that Nemesis couldn't straight-up override Maeve.
Cat Sith almost broke free, for a moment. The Lady is stronger than almost all the other fae; the Queen and the Mother are stronger than the Lady, of course, and (in Winter) Harry seems to think that Lea is stronger than the Lady, too... and I think that may be it? Kringle-Mantle...? I don't think the Master of the Hunt is as strong.
But Maeve (in the climactic scene on the island) seemed to be reveling in lying-for-the-sake-of-lying, not telling a lie that would serve Nemesis' purpose.
Conspiracy Theorist:
I believe Nemesis can override a Lady IF the Mantle wearer cooperates. Maeve was a lousy, rebellious Winter Lady well before Nemesis. The Redcap testified to that.
Nemesis wouldn’t find such a reception in Molly, especially as Molly is exceptionally talented in this area and proved herself against Corpsetaker. Indeed that battle may have been her successful audition piece for a Ladies Mantle. Lily could still be tricked into submission by Nemesis, and that may have been Mab’s play, Molly to replace Lily. Sarissa wouldn’t, to smart and too tough, Mab still won.
Lea was granted additional power and now stands second in Winter after Mab. That might have been to make her too powerful to be susceptible to Nemesis again.
As it stands the top four powers in Winter are all now Nemesis proof, and the top three in Summer are as well. I suspect Elder Gruff, Kringle and the Erlking are as well by a combination of power and will. The Winter Knight is immune as a Starborn. The Summer Knight is not. Fix is a likely target of Nemesis, given Nemesis modus operandi.
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