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Will we see more of the Grey Council in “Twelve Months”
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 17, 2022, 06:29:19 PM ---Naw, they still want him dead, doesn't matter if he has pissed them off since or ever has. Its like Carlos, he drank the kool aid big time, a lot of has to do with getting mangled because he tried to have sex with the Winter Lady, I suppose he blames Harry for that.. Or is it jealousy? Think about it, Harry gets to play in a lot of different sand boxes, while Carlos who has always walked the straight and the narrow, can't or in the case of Molly almost loses his manhood while trying.. Which may be his problem... :o
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But there is the "want him dead" and "willing to kill him/have him killed" and a difference between the two. They are not sending Eb out after him. Yet, at least.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on December 18, 2022, 08:52:55 AM ---But there is the "want him dead" and "willing to kill him/have him killed" and a difference between the two. They are not sending Eb out after him. Yet, at least.
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Well, Eb was still in surgery when they made those decisions and then recovery, he may not have the orders yet.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 18, 2022, 11:46:34 AM ---Well, Eb was still in surgery when they made those decisions and then recovery, he may not have the orders yet.
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Good point about not having the orders. Eb and LTW would certainly have been against the expulsion order and may even decline to accept any further orders. I doubt they would do it publicly, but they may tell the Merlin to pound sand in a Senior Council meeting.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on December 17, 2022, 04:18:23 AM --- Not since he got kicked out. Hasn't peeved people off since. They wanted him dead before, still want him dead, and will want him dead until they die, which Marcone has noted happens a lot to Harry's opponents, whether he wants them dead or not.
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--- Quote from: Mira on December 17, 2022, 06:29:19 PM --- Naw, they still want him dead, doesn't matter if he has pissed them off since or ever has.
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I think the "want him dead" crowd probably argues & proselytizes among the fence-sitter types, so -- even if Harry has done nothing new to piss anyone off -- there's likely a slow WC slide towards the anti-Harry side of things.
Harry has very few really-strong advocates on the White Council / Senior Council; even Eb is mostly-convinced Harry is a wrong-headed fool, which... doesn't make for strong advocacy. Rashid is far too much into "mysterious ways" and "keeping his own council;" I don't see him lobbying/advocating (at least not much) on Harry's behalf.
--- Quote from: Mira on December 17, 2022, 06:29:19 PM --- ... Its like Carlos, he drank the kool aid big time... Harry gets to play in a lot of different sand boxes, while Carlos who has always walked the straight and the narrow ...
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Carlos is an interesting case, and I'm keeping my mind open.
He and Harry had a frank discussion (I think at the end of White Night?) where Harry expressed the idea of a "Black Council" with agents/moles inside the WC, and Carlos pegged Harry's broad strategy as being to work the darker side of things, trying to find the Bad Guys' inroads from the outside (since he has always been a kinda-outsider / lone-wolf / black-sheep figure); and Carlos agreed that he in turn would work the "insider" angle.
So I think it's absolutely possible that Carlos is talking and acting like he has totally lost trust in Dresden, as part of this broad strategy of painting Harry as an exile & un-trusted, cut off from his main Warden ally, etc... entirely as part of their plan to cooperate in "working the problem from both sides." I'm not convinced of this WAG, but I think it highly possible (also possible that he has lost faith in Dresden, of course!). Plus, it'd give Jim another shot at writing a "Harry is an idiot" scene with Carlos (which I think Jim enjoys).
Mira:
--- Quote ---So I think it's absolutely possible that Carlos is talking and acting like he has totally lost trust in Dresden, as part of this broad strategy of painting Harry as an exile & un-trusted, cut off from his main Warden ally, etc... entirely as part of their plan to cooperate in "working the problem from both sides." I'm not convinced of this WAG, but I think it highly possible (also possible that he has lost faith in Dresden, of course!). Plus, it'd give Jim another shot at writing a "Harry is an idiot" scene with Carlos (which I think Jim enjoys).
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I don't buy that at all. I think it is too significant that Jim wrote a whole short story where Carlos and Molly work together and try to consummate the attraction they had for one another since White Night, and have it all go so terribly wrong. I think it did more than physical harm to Carlos, and he blames the Winter Court, maybe Fae in general, but certainly anyone connected with the Winter Court for what happened to him. I think it is very true that neither Molly nor Harry were aware that this would happen if a vanilla human tried to have casual sex with the Winter Lady. However does Carlos believe that? In my opinion all through Peace Talks and Battle Ground there was an odor of mistrust on the part of Carlos of Harry. I have no doubt that someone on the Senior Council is feeding into that.. However I also think that Mab deliberately left out that little rule when she was showing Molly what her duties were, she also neglected to tell Harry. Why? Because she thinks it is to her advantage for both Harry and Molly to be isolated from the White Council as much as possible.
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