The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
What is a “Destroyer”?
Mira:
--- Quote ---You gotta look at the context, though, he already knew she was in love with him (i.e. willing to put his interests above her own (that being one of the key elements of "love")); and he was in a right-enough mind to come up with a plan to outmaneuver Mab and emotionally-manipulate a talented mind-mage.
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You make it sound like Harry planned it all out.. His situation was desperate and he had few or no options.
Yes, he knew that she loved him, he also knew she was the only one able to and willing to block his mind. Also Molly was an adult, she may not have known that doing this would hurt her as well, however I doubt that she'd think that she wouldn't pay a price for doing it. She knew Harry's fears about becoming Mab's monster, and shared them. Neither thought through the consequences.
--- Quote ---How old was she, really? Legally an "adult" by mortal-law standards (I think), but
(a) mortal law gives kids their "majority" when science tells us their brains (& judgement) aren't fully-formed; &
(b) in other contexts, Harry has been very clear that he considers Molly "just a kid," barely past the pigtails-and-braces phase he recalls (and cites) so clearly.
So, Harry doesn't think of her as an adult... but he knowingly inflicts the kinds of emotional trauma that even adults will have trouble with.
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It doesn't matter how Harry thinks of her, Molly wasn't a child, and in earlier books when she actually was a child she showed she was capable of some pretty mature thinking. She has also shown that she is capable of some independent thinking as well. I am thinking of the time in Turn Coat when she knowingly put both her head and Harry's head on the line by trying to go into Morgan's head and Luccio's as well.
Harry also loves Molly I might add, and if he knew what asking her to do would have such a negative effect on her, he wouldn't have asked her to do it.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: author=Turn Coat ---I stared at her for a minute. Then I said, in a very quiet voice, “I always know when I’m being tempted to do something very, very wrong. I start sentences with phrases like, ‘I would never, ever do this—but.’ Or ‘I know this is wrong but.’ It’s the but that tips you off.”
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--- Quote ---I said, quietly. “And I feel like an utter bastard for asking this of you, grasshopper. But I don’t have anyone else to ask.”
Butcher, Jim. Ghost Story (The Dresden Files, Book 13) (p. 537). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Mira:
In that first quote from Turn Coat, if I remember correctly Molly had been trying to justify what she had done to Morgan, and that is how Harry answered her. Because there was no justification for what she had done except she thought it was the right thing, she hadn't learned anything from what happened to her friends after she went into their minds.
As to the other, Harry had no one else to ask.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 12, 2022, 08:10:18 PM --- You make it sound like Harry planned it all out ...
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Yes and no.
It was proximately Ariana -- and ultimately Martin, I think -- who had "planned it all out;" not Harry.
No blame attaches to Harry for all the F'ed-up steps like kidnapping a little girl, setting up a massive sacrificial rite at Chichen Itza, etc.
And yet...
The whole idea of becoming the Winter Knight, arranging his own death, and having Molly hide the memory of it... that was all Harry. It was pushed toward the despairing side of things (i.e. suicide) by the Infernal whisper, but yes: the plan was 100% Harry (just from his darker & more destructive impulses, without any of the optimism he usually has). That part of it, yes: Harry planned it all out.
The aftermath, where Molly spirals toward her own self-destruction?
Harry knew that (or something like it) would inevitably follow. But he kept it at the back of his mind, and vague; he refused to look at it, refused to consider the consequences for Molly. After all, then he'd be dead, so it wouldn't be his problem anymore!
And that too was part of his "planning it out."
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 13, 2022, 11:51:49 AM --- ... As to the other, Harry had no one else to ask.
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That doesn't mean he was entitled to ask Molly, either.
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