The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on November 15, 2022, 01:59:41 AM ---"until the end of time" ... or until someone more clever / more powerful comes along to break the curse! Entirely possible in the Dresdenverse.
Harry didn't even try to end the curse, it was all he could do to kill MacFinn; so he didn't do it.
Maybe someone else did it, offstage? Or someone WILL do it?
Not like an (orphaned, resentful) loup-garou isn't a dangling plot-hook coming to bite Harry in the ass, eh?
--- End quote ---
Perhaps he didn't try because there is no way to lift the curse. I need to go back to reread the passage, but I believe Bob said as much. I also think that McFinn and all of his ancestors would have searched for and found it if there was a way. The only way to end it for the McFinns was to end the last McFinn, which Harry did. However that doesn't mean there aren't other families out there suffering from the same kind of curse, so I wouldn't be shocked if there are more Loops out there, they just aren't McFinns.
Tinfoil hat:
Okay hear me out. We know the major players have been watching harry and in Chicago for sometime now. What if only a starborn can trigger the end of the world. Like the final conformation that harry is the Starborn rather than a starborn was doing the impossible. Macfinns bloodline can only end at the end of the world. It was an alarm clock for the major players. Like when the last of the bloodline died (thor voice) 'it was a signal that we are switches to (dr stange voice) in the endgame now.
Those who know what to look for immediately know that only the Starborn could have done it. I little research shows its harry. Those who had doubts are convinced.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The assumption as to Fitz parentage is shaky at best, why would Fitz even be in Chicago? Why hadn’t the curse manifested by ghost Story, why would he be named Fitz in the modern age? You all also appear to be applying it incorrectly it is a patronymic applied to both legitimate and illegitimate heirs. The important part isn’t the Fitz part of his name, but the part we are not given Fitzwhat? Who is he the son of? The term is Anglo - Norman (back to Brittany again) and generally means the child has been claimed by the father
I think that Fitz is actually most likely a scion, maybe a Changeling. Remember Ronald Ruel had been dead several years by Ghost Story, so he would not have been around to look after him, especially if his father died around the same. Fitztalos perhaps? The claimed child of Marshall Talos of Summer who dies in Summer Knight. If so Harry had a hand in Fitz fathers death and led him to being cast out into the cruel world as an orphan. Since when has Jim turned down the opportunity to cause Harry pain?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 15, 2022, 11:57:18 AM ---Perhaps he didn't try because there is no way to lift the curse. I need to go back to reread the passage, but I believe Bob said as much...
--- End quote ---
Harry didn't know anything about it; everything he knew about the curse, he learned "on-screen" in Fool Moon.
It was everything he could do, just to survive and keep others alive -- in fact, that was MORE than he could do, as several people died despite his attempts at protecting them.
I'd lay long odds on Mab knowing of a way to lift the curse.
I'm certain that one of Mother Winter's unravelings could undo it.
Angelic power -- if the Angel was free to act -- could lift it gently, or smash it with simple force.
--- Quote from: Mira on November 15, 2022, 11:57:18 AM ---... I also think that McFinn and all of his ancestors would have searched for and found it if there was a way...
--- End quote ---
But they are mere mortals; they have no magical talent, no great insights or allies to achieve their aims.
One key bit that I hadn't recalled... Apparently (per the DF wiki) Harry got some of his info from Chauncy??!? Which makes the info very suspect indeed!
--- Quote from: Mira on November 15, 2022, 11:57:18 AM --- ... The only way to end it for the McFinns was to end the last McFinn, which Harry did. However that doesn't mean there aren't other families out there suffering from the same kind of curse, so I wouldn't be shocked if there are more Loops out there, they just aren't McFinns.
--- End quote ---
Unless -- as per the OP -- Fitz is a bastard child of the MacFinn line, so Harry didn't end the line...?
I'm unconvinced that Fitz' backstory is a MacFinn (tho I think it entirely possible, given Fitz' eyes & Tera's), but I think it highly-probable that Fitz is indeed the son of somebody from Harry's past... How 'bout (just throwing out ideas) the son of Justin DuMorne?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM ---The assumption as to Fitz parentage is shaky at best ...
--- End quote ---
All the WAGs are shaky, man! It's the nature of WAGgery.
Don't rain on the parade. ;)
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM ---... why would Fitz even be in Chicago?
--- End quote ---
It's often the nature of young wolves to go wandering for a period, when they first leave their mothers. And it's the nature of humans -- particularly those who never knew one/both parents -- to be curious about their origins & parentage.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- ... Why hadn’t the curse manifested by ghost Story ...
--- End quote ---
Dunno. Maybe it doesn't "hit" until a certain age, or a "blood moon" lunar eclipse, or somesuch. Hands can be waved, excuses can be found. ;D
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- ... why would he be named Fitz in the modern age?
--- End quote ---
Tera West is hardly one to observe such passing fads.
Or maybe Fitz himself claimed it, in a fit of being a young male drama-queen.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- ... You all also appear to be applying it incorrectly it is a patronymic applied to both legitimate and illegitimate heirs
--- End quote ---
"We all" are working off the notion that Jim himself subscribes to the "Fitz means bastard son" notion.
(despite it technically just meaning "son of," it became widely-used in the Stuart era to denote bastard sons, and the connotation has been pretty strong for 400 years now)
In fact: by ignoring the WoJ that this is the intended usage of "Fitz," you are the one "incorrectly" applying it... ;)
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- ... The important part isn’t the Fitz part of his name, but the part we are not given Fitzwhat? Who is he the son of? ...
--- End quote ---
Yes indeed! Fitzwhat, Fitzwho? You've cut to the very heart of the matter!
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- ... Since when has Jim turned down the opportunity to cause Harry pain?
--- End quote ---
And there is the other side of the matter!
When we ask, "Fitzwho?" we should ask, "who in Harry's past would cause the greatest complication & pain for Harry, should their Fitz arrive on-scene?"
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 15, 2022, 10:50:37 PM --- I think that Fitz is actually most likely a scion, maybe a Changeling. Remember Ronald Ruel had been dead several years by Ghost Story, so he would not have been around to look after him, especially if his father died around the same. Fitztalos perhaps? The claimed child of Marshall Talos of Summer who dies in Summer Knight.
--- End quote ---
Reuel wasn't a faerie, though -- no scionage there! The whole point of the Knight-mantle is that it brings the Court a Mortal agent (mortal agency & free will).
I don't think Talos was ever a sympathetic-enough character to fill the role of Fitz' papa in the books.
MacFinn ticks several boxes, there -- victim of a Curse, good-hearted philanthropist, ripped prematurely away from his true-love Tera. I think he's a better candidate (tho FAR from the only one!). Given the call-out of Fitz' eye-color, I think Tera West is the parent for whom we have the most Watsonian evidence (slight though it is); and MacFinn follows by way of Doyle. Plus, this makes Fitz a latent loup-garou. MacFinn is a good fit, overall!
Up-thread, I mentioned the idea of Justin DuMorne's son; the "but why Chicago?" objection applies even more-strongly, there! Still...
But how about Victor Sells' bastard son?
++Bastardy because Sells was married at the time.
We know from the Beckitts that Sells was actively pursuing "sex magick."
Harry's first (on-screen) kill, and we know how Harry feels about orphans! Sells' son...
so.
much.
guilt.
For Doylist use, I like this one a LOT.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version