The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on December 11, 2022, 03:11:13 PM ---Do not underestimate Mab. The only things we seen in in the Dresdenverse that top her are the Mothers, angels and Old Gods/Titans. I don't think Chauncey measures up to that level. Harry is often an idiot, but even he doesn't something he can't hope to control without a pressing reason.
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Oh I don't underestimate Mab, it could be that she was humoring Harry by honoring the constraints of his chalk circle. Or it is something Jim changed his mind about over several books.
g33k:
--- Quote from: heidi_storage on December 08, 2022, 12:47:58 AM --- I agree with most of your comment, but is he really lazy about studying? We see him researching stuff a lot--exploding heart spell in Storm Front, vampire cures after Grave Peril, etc. In Skin Game, while fighting Hannah Ascher he rhapsodizes about loving the Art and spending time on it, as opposed to just liking the power of it.
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I think there may just be an element of it being a self-image formed in his early magical years, studying under Justin.
You know: during the time when he and Elaine were mostly interested in minimizing the time spent on homework so they could spend time on each other...
So Harry had this formative period where he was a bad student & lazy about studying; and to an extent, still thinks of himself in the ways he learned then (because "formative").
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 12, 2022, 04:07:12 AM ---I think there may just be an element of it being a self-image formed in his early magical years, studying under Justin.
You know: during the time when he and Elaine were mostly interested in minimizing the time spent on homework so they could spend time on each other...
So Harry had this formative period where he was a bad student & lazy about studying; and to an extent, still thinks of himself in the ways he learned then (because "formative").
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I think this is a lot of it, however I also remember a comment that Eb made to him in Proven Guilty after he took on Molly as his apprentice. He said something to the effect that as a teacher he'd learn as well. Which he has, not just at the human level, all good teachers learn from their students, but to teach her well, Harry has had to bone up on subjects he had dismissed earlier in his life. As I said, one of the best examples is veils. In the earlier books Harry sucked at them, said he had no talent for them and never tried to improve to be as good as he could get at them. Molly had a natural talent for them, didn't really need teaching except on an ethical level about them. But because he had to work with her on them, Harry applied himself to learn more about veils, apply himself into making better veils, and now he does a decent one.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 12, 2022, 12:22:36 PM ---I think this is a lot of it, however I also remember a comment that Eb made to him in Proven Guilty after he took on Molly as his apprentice. He said something to the effect that as a teacher he'd learn as well. Which he has, not just at the human level, all good teachers learn from their students, but to teach her well, Harry has had to bone up on subjects he had dismissed earlier in his life. As I said, one of the best examples is veils. In the earlier books Harry sucked at them, said he had no talent for them and never tried to improve to be as good as he could get at them. Molly had a natural talent for them, didn't really need teaching except on an ethical level about them. But because he had to work with her on them, Harry applied himself to learn more about veils, apply himself into making better veils, and now he does a decent one.
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I suspect -- rather strongly -- that Jim was taking some info from his own life, and his background in martial arts.
There's a widely-held belief that, at a certain point in your training, you "stall out" and cannot progress... unless you start training students.
Seeing them make mistakes, analyzing those mistakes and working to correct them, deepens your own understanding. Seeing them do something that "looks wrong" -- but still works -- prompts other analyses & understandings. Etc.
Mira:
--- Quote ---There's a widely-held belief that, at a certain point in your training, you "stall out" and cannot progress... unless you start training students.
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That could be very true, what I am thinking of is all the times in the early books when Harry is attempting and then complaining about how his veils suck. He seems to be fine with that, as in, it is what it is, and never tries to improve, maybe modestly thinking it is as good as he is going to get at them? Which we find out later isn't true at all.
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