The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Justin DuMorne
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 27, 2022, 06:03:40 PM ---In which case Lea still overpowers any individual Walker in creation ...
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I seriously doubt it.
Remember, Michael rescued a bunch of WC wizards from Outsider attack... including a cadre of Wardens led by the Blackstaff. I expect a Blackstaff-led group of WC wizards would be "about on par" with Lea; but Eb said that they'd all have died if Michael hadn't been there.
It's a couple of levels of A:B:C comparison (so we don't have a 1:1 Lea:Walker comparo) but I think there's no real sign that Lea is capable of taking down a Walker.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 27, 2022, 06:03:40 PM --- ... and the point is that she helped re-direct the Walker back upon Justin, rather than confront the Walker directly.
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Helping a Starborn, now... that's another story! That's just working with a Mortal, that's everyday faerie biz... Plus, she was fulfilling the "taerie godmother (protection)" contract.
It isn't Lea's fault that her charge was a Starborn, with an outsized ability to hurt Outsiders. (such clauses seem to delight the fae)
Mira:
--- Quote ---Helping a Starborn, now... that's another story! That's just working with a Mortal, that's everyday faerie biz... Plus, she was fulfilling the "taerie godmother (protection)" contract.
It isn't Lea's fault that her charge was a Starborn, with an outsized ability to hurt Outsiders. (such clauses seem to delight the fae)
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No, not her fault, I wonder if she volunteered to be Harry's godmother or did Mab order it as part of the bargain with Margaret to give birth to a star child in the first place?
My theory is the White Council wanted Margaret to give birth to one, but because of her relationship with them and opinion of them, she didn't.. But when she changed her mind to have one, she went to Mab to get protection for the kid, thus the bargain. A bargain which gave the baby protection, but also guaranteed when it was all grown up that Mab would have a star child as a Winter Knight.. I don't think Harry ever really had a choice, he was maneuvered into thinking he had one, but in reality at some point Mab would have informed him of the bargain his mother made.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 28, 2022, 03:55:35 PM --- No, not her fault, I wonder if she volunteered to be Harry's godmother or did Mab order it as part of the bargain with Margaret to give birth to a star child in the first place?
My theory is the White Council wanted Margaret to give birth to one, but because of her relationship with them and opinion of them, she didn't.. But when she changed her mind to have one, she went to Mab to get protection for the kid, thus the bargain. A bargain which gave the baby protection, but also guaranteed when it was all grown up that Mab would have a star child as a Winter Knight.. I don't think Harry ever really had a choice, he was maneuvered into thinking he had one, but in reality at some point Mab would have informed him of the bargain his mother made.
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My own WAG is that the WCouncil was too afraid of the "Starborn as Destroyer" (albeit some individual WCouncil members may have demurred, and taken independent action); but the BCouncil thought that (Starborn/Destroyer, either way) it sounded like exactly their kind of "shortcut to power," so they wanted it.
I think Margaret was onboard at first. I think she backed out of the Raith relationship when she realized how Papa treated his sons (i.e. killing them), but I don't know why she turned away from the larger "BCouncil" plan ... maybe she figured the Whamps had too much influence, and she couldn't have a child under BCouncil auspices that could be free of Raith's "kill all sons" schtick?
I'm pretty sure Mab was ALL about getting herself a Starborn WK, absolutely loved the idea! I suspect she was instrumental in "getting Margaret to see the error of her ways" (with respect to Raith, and the BCouncil) and instructed Lea to put herself in LeFay's path often enough (but not in a substantially adversarial way) that when she was on the run, pregnant, and knowing Raith would launch an Entropy Curse as soon as he could)...
Margaret LeFay absolutely grabbed at the chance to make a "Faerie Godmother" bargain with Lea!
I entertain the notion -- as a WAG within a WAG -- that Mab actually planted the idea of a Starbabe, so that she could harvest herself a SB WK when the child was ripe.
And no, I do not think that kind of long-range planning -- and manipulation of mortals -- is beyond Mab's ability.
morriswalters:
Couple of points. Margaret was at least partially enthralled by Raith per Thomas in Blood Rites.
--- Quote ---"God knows," Thomas said. "All I know is that there was some sort of business between them. It developed into something else. Father was trying to snare her permanently, but she wound up being too strong for him to completely enthrall.
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She bore part of the responsibility for what was done to Harry.
--- Quote ---"I was so arrogant. I laid too great a burden upon you to bear alone.
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In Changes Butcher set's up a Chekhov's gun, the meeting attended by Eb and Papa Raith where Margaret tries to sell her plan.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Couple of points. Margaret was at least partially enthralled by Raith per Thomas in Blood Rites.
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It looks that way, but then again what did Thomas mean by "business?" If he meant enthralled, why didn't he just say it? Or was Jim being vague so he can define it later? The "business" could have been that Margaret had considered giving Raith a star child? To give the Council the finger perhaps?
Here is another thought, supposedly a star child is reasonably rare, though the way they have been turning up in Jim's stories of late, I don't think they are that rare, and maybe dare I say it, all that special... Well, let's leave that for the moment..
What if it isn't the child that is so rare or special, but the woman who can conceive one? Perhaps Margaret was going for the highest bidder? But then she met Malcolm..
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